4th Gen Physical / Special Discussion

Auron

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    As the Physical / Special attacks are going to change, and this is one of the biggest changes in the game, I think it worth a Thread...

    Here, we can announce or ask for the attacks...

    For example, I wanna know if Fire Punch, Ice Punch and Thunder Punch are still Special Attacks, or now they are Physical Attacks. Maybe this is a stupid question, but...They are punchs, and the system has changed, so...That's my doubt.
     
    They are physical attacks.

    SPP's attackdex also lists which type the attack is of, so you can look there:
    https://serebii.net/attackdex-dp/

    Concerning the new attack system, I don't really care, since I've never cared about whether an attack is physical or not before.

    When you look at a Pokémon's status and at their moves, you'll see which type the moves are from, which is quite helpful IMO.
     
    Oh, so the Fighting Alakazam (Yes, I've seen it in Battle Factory in Emerald) seemed good, but, as I thought, now is bad.
     
    Auron said:
    Oh, so the Fighting Alakazam (Yes, I've seen it in Battle Factory in Emerald) seemed good, but, as I thought, now is bad.
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    True...but the other side of that is now Alakazam has gained new Special moves, including Shadow Ball & Hyper Beam (if you're dumb/desperate enough to use it).
     
    Oh, yeah, I thought that Hyper Beam should be Special...Being Physical...It didn't make much sense.
     
    I really don't see or get the Physical or special attack. But for some of the moves it made alot of sense

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    I personally like the change. It gives pokemon like Gengar moves of the same type back like Shadow Ball so that they can now take full advantage of Gengar's high Sp. Atk stat. On the flipside, Sceptile for example loses Leafblade as a physical attack. Other than a few like that, I think I'll enjoy this revision to the series.
     
    i love the physical/special distinction, but i'm just a little unsettled by the distribution of these kinds of moves in a lot of the pokemon's movepools. a lot of pokemon have to breed for the preferred special or physical attack that coincides with their type. for instance, torterra and woodhammer.
     
    I love it too, because attacks now make much more sense :D
     
    Haowakeorden said:
    You could use a Heart Scale to have Torterra "re-learn" Wood Hammer. It exists as one of Torterra's "hidden" learned moves. Besides, I don't think you can even breed Wood Hammer onto a Turtwig.
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    yah you can, but wouldn't it be so much more awesome if you didn't have to do that? XD
     
    I think this change is good, but it is a little hard to know what is physical and what is special. I have my Ruby/Sapphire guide though and it says what techniques are physical or not physcial. It also says what Types are special or not, but that's not for the pkmn D/P.
     
    I am happy with the change. It's a good change, for most Pokes. A couple, like Sceptile and Ariados, are a bit screwed, but still usable.

    I would also like to point out that there is more to the changes than just whether it seems physical or special =P. Earthquake remained physical partially, I think, because most Pokes that learn it have high attack, and special attackers tend not to learn it (like Milotic, Roserade, Gardevoir, Gengar), although a few do (Empoleon, Lucario, which both can be physical sweepers as well. Coincidence? I think not).

    Posted by Samson:
    i love the physical/special distinction, but i'm just a little unsettled by the distribution of these kinds of moves in a lot of the pokemon's movepools. a lot of pokemon have to breed for the preferred special or physical attack that coincides with their type. for instance, torterra and woodhammer.
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    yah you can, but wouldn't it be so much more awesome if you didn't have to do that? XD
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    I know what you're saying, but Torterra isn't an example of it. What you meant is Seed Bomb, a physical Grass attack that the Turtwig line learns by breeding. Wood Hammer, as Haowakeorden pointed out, can only be learned by Torterra, through the move tutor. Turtwig and Grotle cannot learn it.

    But I get what you mean. For example, to get Ice Punch, you must breed Sneasel/Weavile. It can learn Ice Beam through TM, but it's no good on it, since SA sucks. You can use Snow Slide as physical Ice attack for STAB, but Ice Punch is more powerful. ^_^
     
    I know how to check what is special or physical. If you check the technique, it's PP, power, description and such you will see a symbol. If it's a star it's physical and if it's circles it's special. I have Diamond now, and I think you can see what is special or not this way.
     
    Haowakeorden said:
    The Physical/Special split appears to be in the right direction generally, but I guess Sceptile took somewhat of a hit. And the long-awaited all-around usable Rock attack (in my eyes), Power Gem, is Special while most Rock-types have higher Physical Attack.

    At least the Pokémon I'll mainly be using won't be affected too much by the split.
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    Sceptile didn't take a hit. If anything, the only thing it lost were Crunch and Thunderpunch.

    Compare:

    Energy Ball vs. Leaf Blade
    80 BP - 70 (90) BP

    Dragon Pulse vs. Dragon Claw
    90 BP - 80 BP

    While Sceptile lost 90 BP physical Leaf Blade, Energy Ball does (not considering the critical hit ratio) more damage than RSE 70BP special Leaf Blade. Dragon Pulse is superior to Dragon Claw in terms of damage as well.
     
    The splitting of the moves based on delivery of the attack is a great idea. It didn't make since why thunder punch was special while hyper beam was physical.
     
    Now...Earthquake is still Physical, right ??
     
    I think it would be !! Because...It's...I don't, looks physical for me...

    And...What Pokémon improved a lot with this change ?? And what have got worse ??
     
    Ausaudriel said:
    But when a Pokemon uses Earthquake, there's no physical contact between the two Pokemon. The attacker just creates an earthquake out of nowhere (meaning it's a 'special' attack) that damages the foe. Or am I completely off the mark here?
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    It seems people are getting that EQ is special, but it should stay physical cause they made Land Power to take the special side

    IMO the split is really gonna effect the game, seeing as some pokemon dont have many choices on the other side whuile some dont get high enough BPs from a certain attacking side to do much damage (i.e Luxray [Electric type Flareon] and Flareon[Which really should have gotten Flare Drive...])
     
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