please help me out

[Jackson148]

it might seem like a stupid question but which one should i have a level 70 mewtwo or a level 56 pidgeot? attacks are for mewtwo psychic, safe guard, recover, swift (going to teach it better moves) and for pidgeot aerial ace, wing attack, feather dance, quick attack. i like my pidgeot alot but my mewtwo is just so strong.....

 

[Frostweaver]

In terms of competitive battling, Mewtwo all the way, being an ubar with superior movepool. Pidgeot isn't usable EVEN for a UU tournament.

However, in terms of which one you like more, that's just personal perferences... can't help you on it. If you're competitive battling, take Mewtwo (if they allow ubars), but otherwise, it doesn't matter at all.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

They don't really have tournaments for the gameboy games, and what ones I've heard of have only been at POkemon Center New York. :\ So limits on ubers I don't think is a problem. Most people don't get that competitive anyway.

Still, I too would suggest Mewtwo. He has a better array of moves, plus he is naturally stronger than Pidgeot, and he is already at a higher level.

 

[Mullet]

Mewtwo's naturally high sp. att makes him one of the strongest ubers in my opinion. :D

 

[Frostweaver]

Mewtwo's naturally high sp. att makes him one of the strongest ubers in my opinion. :D

Definitely, but too bad the common Ninjask OHKOs it in one hit, making Ninjask by far the BEST Mewtwo counter in existence, along side with Deoxys =D

 

[Mullet]

May I ask what is the common Ninjask?

 

[Frostweaver]

Common Ninjask- [atk + / sp.atk -] @ leftovers/stat boosting berry
EV: atk, speed
-Silver Wind
-Substitute
-Swords dance
-Baton Pass

Sub one turn, then silver wind 2nd turn, and gg... if it's not gg, then send out the quick attacker to finish things off. If Ninjask wants to be more save, it can keep subbing until liechi kicks in, and then silver wind.

As for the Frosty Ninjask that's unheard of by anywhere else outside of PC pretty much, it's a gurantee OHKO (what set is that? NOOO It's mine! ;p)

 

[Mullet]

What is Baton Pass for? Also what is gg?

 

[Frostweaver]

gg = "good game." It's something nice to say at the end of a match to congratulate both players' good work and excellent performance during the match. It's basic online game curtsy.

Baton pass allows you to pass any stat changes to the Pokemon receiving the baton pass. So let's say that Ninjask got a substitute out, with 1 usage of swords dance and 3 turns has passed (meaning speed boost got 3 rounds to work), and if Ninjask used baton pass to Salamence, then Salamence will join the battle with a substitute out, 2 level of attack and 3 level of speed. The substitute, swords dance and the bonus from speed boost got passed from Ninjask to Salamence. That is how baton pass works.

 

[Jackson148]

ok thanks for the help...i think i might have mewtwo then...

 

[Pogiforce-14]

gg = "good game." It's something nice to say at the end of a match to congratulate both players' good work and excellent performance during the match. It's basic online game curtsy.

Baton pass allows you to pass any stat changes to the Pokemon receiving the baton pass. So let's say that Ninjask got a substitute out, with 1 usage of swords dance and 3 turns has passed (meaning speed boost got 3 rounds to work), and if Ninjask used baton pass to Salamence, then Salamence will join the battle with a substitute out, 2 level of attack and 3 level of speed. The substitute, swords dance and the bonus from speed boost got passed from Ninjask to Salamence. That is how baton pass works.

Thing is, mewtwo won't exactly sit still for that. :\ If mewtwo takes out teh substitute, which he could probably do fairly easily, then Ninjask is left open while powering up. If he's killed before he baton passes, then that strategy is down teh drain.

 

[Frostweaver]

Thing is, mewtwo won't exactly sit still for that. :\ If mewtwo takes out teh substitute, which he could probably do fairly easily, then Ninjask is left open while powering up. If he's killed before he baton passes, then that strategy is down teh drain.

I was only explaining how Baton pass works... if Ninjask wants to beat Mewtwo, just lead off with silver wind and OHKO already (or 90% damage.) Don't even need to baton pass. And by the way, the point of sub is so that it's broken and then make a sub again, lowering your hp on purpose so that you can use liechi to gurantee Silver Wind OHKO. If Mewtwo breaks one, just make another. And Ninjask's always faster than Mewtwo too ;p

If Mewtwo is stupid and decides to calm mind, good... use swords dance XD

If Mewtwo switches out, then act according depending on who... if it's a speudohazer, you either attack it with the best of your ability as roar/whirlwind will destroy you either way, or baton pass to someone with suction cups/soundproof (if against roar.)

If the opponent is a hazer, just attack and be sure to have substitute in place. They can take out your speed and attack bonus, but you can always pass the sub.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

Silver wind can't take out Mewtwo. Most insects are took weak to handl anything, especially what they're weak to. Especially with such a weak attack as Silver wind. No one uses that thing. :\ And Ninjask is not always faster. Mewtwo already has uber stats, and when raisd properly he can be just as fast if not faster than Ninjask.

If mewtwo keeps breakins substitutes, then you'll ahve to keep making them. And that will keep Ninjask from doing anything else. And you know taht costs helath. Sooner or later he won't be able to do it, and then he's baste for Mewtwo. And can Ninjask even learn Substitute?

Here's the thing tah laways bugs me: YOu claim you ahve a guaranteed way to beat mewtwo, when teh fact is there is no guaranteed way. They emphasize the fact continuously that there is no super pokemon that is a guaranteed win, and you should do well to remember that.

 

[Spike Razzor]

Silver wind can't take out Mewtwo. Most insects are took weak to handl anything, especially what they're weak to. Especially with such a weak attack as Silver wind. No one uses that thing. :\ And Ninjask is not always faster. Mewtwo already has uber stats, and when raisd properly he can be just as fast if not faster than Ninjask.

If mewtwo keeps breakins substitutes, then you'll ahve to keep making them. And that will keep Ninjask from doing anything else. And you know taht costs helath. Sooner or later he won't be able to do it, and then he's baste for Mewtwo. And can Ninjask even learn Substitute?

Here's the thing tah laways bugs me: YOu claim you ahve a guaranteed way to beat mewtwo, when teh fact is there is no guaranteed way. They emphasize the fact continuously that there is no super pokemon that is a guaranteed win, and you should do well to remember that.

You don't get it do you?

Ninjask keeps making subs until its berry kicks in, making its attack more than 400. HP Bug/Silver Wind, Mewtwo, with its pathetic Def has been OHKOed.

Mewtwo is as fast as Dactyl, Jolteon and Crobat which are all slower than Ninjask. Basic Ninjask has 419 speed, which Mewtwo could never hope to get up too. Mine has 460, I would love to see Mewtwo outrun it v_v. Dude, happy now?

 

[Demonion]

do you really listen? ninjask is always faster than mewtwo (ninjask base speed 150, mewtwo 130) with 3 subs @ ninjask he activates liechi berry and silverwind has then a base power of 60 x 1,5 (berry) x 1,5 (stab) x 2 (super effective) = 270 and that hurts...

 

[Toothache]

Silver wind can't take out Mewtwo. Most insects are took weak to handl anything, especially what they're weak to. Especially with such a weak attack as Silver wind. No one uses that thing. :\ And Ninjask is not always faster. Mewtwo already has uber stats, and when raisd properly he can be just as fast if not faster than Ninjask.

If mewtwo keeps breakins substitutes, then you'll ahve to keep making them. And that will keep Ninjask from doing anything else. And you know taht costs helath. Sooner or later he won't be able to do it, and then he's baste for Mewtwo. And can Ninjask even learn Substitute?

Here's the thing tah laways bugs me: YOu claim you ahve a guaranteed way to beat mewtwo, when teh fact is there is no guaranteed way. They emphasize the fact continuously that there is no super pokemon that is a guaranteed win, and you should do well to remember that.

Shows how much you know.

Bear in mind Psychic types are weak to Bug moves, and Silver Wind is a bug move. Now, let's see... base speed 160, with Speed Boost increasing the speed every turn vs Mewtwo's speed 130. I'd say Ninjask was faster... and people do use Silver Wind, as shown earlier in the common Ninjask moveset - it wouldn't be common if it wasn't used all the time. Mewtwo's defence is only barely above average, and a max Attack Ninjask, using a STAB move with Super Effectiveness = dead Mewtwo, or within the last few % of health. Plenty of opportunity for Mewtwo to get Quick Attacked to death by the next opponent.

And that's just for Ninjask... what about the other usable bug types, Heracross (overly abused for Endure/Reversal) and Scyther for high sweeping potential. And there's plenty of other decent bug types, Pinsir for example, Forretress, should I go on?

Besides, if all Ninjask is doing is replacing it's broken Substitute, then that gives him up to 3 speed boosts, eligible to pass to any sweeper (and there's nothing scarier than a fast Rhydon, believe me, I had the unfortunate mispleasure of being clean sweeped by a speed boosted Rhydon in my earlier days).

 

[Pogiforce-14]

Like I said, can Ninjask even learn substitute? And bugs are jsut as weak to psychic as psychic is weak to bugs. Most bug moves are frankly too weak. The only strong bug moves I've seen have been on Heracross, but he isn't a Ninjask, is he?

NOt to sound like a hater here but I simply have to voice this or I'll explode. Frosty is not always right. I've heard too many people say "If frosty said it, then it must be right." That is one of the twenty deadly logical fallacies. And if anyone says something different than Frosty, The Frosty fan boys always go "Oh, your wrong, cause Frosty said differently" And it just sickens me to no end. The guy is not god, people. He is capable of making mistakes. One he makes most often is his continuous assumption that most people train by nothing but EVs and any team that doesn't match his views is garbage in his eyes. And I've been a victim of that view from him.

Frosty holds with him a contemptuous behavior taht I jsut can't stand or tolerate. You treat him liek he OWNS this section of the board. He did not program the game. he is not the voice of infinite wisdom. He is capable of making mistakes.

For instance, if Mewtwo is faster, then he can use psychic and bam, Ninjask is dead beforfe he even uses Substitute once. Again, if he can even learn it. I've never seen one nor heard of a Ninjask with substitute.

I know I'm going to get seriously flamed by all the frosty fanboys out there, but I had to express this opinion of mine or I knew I'd be mulling over it till the day I die. Nothing bothers me more than seeing someone who is as human as the rest of us with his same number of faults, if not more, than the rest of us get lifted up onto a pillar of godliness as if he were the Messiah. I can't stand it.

 

[Spike Razzor]

You say that Frost can't understand that Mewtwo is faster than Ninjask, and that he is always right. Are you stupid or something? Listen to this, it may help you. Ninjask is the fastest pokemon ALIVE (394 v.s 419, no contest...)! I think your just all pissy because everyone pretty much shut you up in this topic, so stop your whinning and go find some other person to bother.

P.S. A good ammount of the time, Frosty is right, thats enough for me to respect him. As for you, I have no respect towards you. Never have and now I never will.

 

[Demonion]

Like I said, can Ninjask even learn substitute? And bugs are jsut as weak to psychic as psychic is weak to bugs. Most bug moves are frankly too weak. The only strong bug moves I've seen have been on Heracross, but he isn't a Ninjask, is he?

Your just too stupid :/ Bug vs Psychic = Super Effective, Psychic vs Bug = Normal Damage. You are greatly underestimating the power of Silver Wind, STAB + Super Effective + Berry Boost + 60 base damage is very powerfull. So stfu about saying Silver Wind is too weak. Really if you don't know that Ninjask can learn Substitute, please jump of a bridge or something cause you simply add nothing to this forum here?

NOt to sound like a hater here but I simply have to voice this or I'll explode. Frosty is not always right. I've heard too many people say "If frosty said it, then it must be right." That is one of the twenty deadly logical fallacies. And if anyone says something different than Frosty, The Frosty fan boys always go "Oh, your wrong, cause Frosty said differently" And it just sickens me to no end. The guy is not god, people. He is capable of making mistakes. One he makes most often is his continuous assumption that most people train by nothing but EVs and any team that doesn't match his views is garbage in his eyes. And I've been a victim of that view from him.

EVs training is needed, necessary for Competitive battling, this forum is here for Competitive battling. Frosty is a very good person if its about movesets and strategies, of course he is sometimes wrong. But not now. You are simply too stupid to see that Ninjask owns Mewtwo.

Frosty holds with him a contemptuous behavior taht I jsut can't stand or tolerate. You treat him liek he OWNS this section of the board. He did not program the game. he is not the voice of infinite wisdom. He is capable of making mistakes.

I have only one word for this: Jealousy. You simply cant stand it that you got owned by somebody who is better at competitive pokemon battling.

For instance, if Mewtwo is faster, then he can use psychic and bam, Ninjask is dead beforfe he even uses Substitute once. Again, if he can even learn it. I've never seen one nor heard of a Ninjask with substitute.

Did you even read what i said? 99% of all ninjask are Jolly + 252 Speed EVs meaning there is NO way Mewtwo can be faster except if Mewtwo holds Quick Claw but its just stupid giving a 130 base speed Pokemon Quick Claw.
You never heard of a Ninjask with substitute? Substitute on Ninjask is standard for god sake. Are you really living on Planet Earth?

I know I'm going to get seriously flamed by all the frosty fanboys out there, but I had to express this opinion of mine or I knew I'd be mulling over it till the day I die. Nothing bothers me more than seeing someone who is as human as the rest of us with his same number of faults, if not more, than the rest of us get lifted up onto a pillar of godliness as if he were the Messiah. I can't stand it.

LOL, I am not a fanboy of Frosty. He is good but then again he can mistakes. Its not that we just asume he is right...I always check things about if people rate my team, not just listen to Frosty and thinking "o frosty improved my team, i own now" Please stop the crap here

P.S. sorry Toothache for starting to flame or something, i don't like this either but just like that kirby00 guy, this guy has around no brains.

 

[Mullet]

Like I said, can Ninjask even learn substitute? And bugs are jsut as weak to psychic as psychic is weak to bugs. Most bug moves are frankly too weak. The only strong bug moves I've seen have been on Heracross, but he isn't a Ninjask, is he?

NOt to sound like a hater here but I simply have to voice this or I'll explode. Frosty is not always right. I've heard too many people say "If frosty said it, then it must be right." That is one of the twenty deadly logical fallacies. And if anyone says something different than Frosty, The Frosty fan boys always go "Oh, your wrong, cause Frosty said differently" And it just sickens me to no end. The guy is not god, people. He is capable of making mistakes. One he makes most often is his continuous assumption that most people train by nothing but EVs and any team that doesn't match his views is garbage in his eyes. And I've been a victim of that view from him.

Frosty holds with him a contemptuous behavior taht I jsut can't stand or tolerate. You treat him liek he OWNS this section of the board. He did not program the game. he is not the voice of infinite wisdom. He is capable of making mistakes.

For instance, if Mewtwo is faster, then he can use psychic and bam, Ninjask is dead beforfe he even uses Substitute once. Again, if he can even learn it. I've never seen one nor heard of a Ninjask with substitute.

I know I'm going to get seriously flamed by all the frosty fanboys out there, but I had to express this opinion of mine or I knew I'd be mulling over it till the day I die. Nothing bothers me more than seeing someone who is as human as the rest of us with his same number of faults, if not more, than the rest of us get lifted up onto a pillar of godliness as if he were the Messiah. I can't stand it.

Well first of all Ninjask can lean Substitute, second Ninjask=fastest Pokemon in the game, third they may not be fanboys they are just stating that he is right. :\