"Pokémon Fashion Flash" Episode Discussion

[Charaxes]

Here is where you can discuss the 'style vs. substance'* debate in "Pokémon Fashion Flash."

My review to come forthwith.

Or, should it be 'inner beauty', instead? You make the call! Then, I'll re-edit. Heh.

 

[Jorah]

Oh, THIS is the one where Team Rocket give everyone crazy styles. Even though it's all supposed to be about inner beauty, they made fun of everyone that looked weird after Team Rocket's makeovers. Hmm. Vulpix Flamethrowers Misty, which is kinda funny. Otherwise it's a boring episode. Oh yeah, Brock gets Vulpix. I don't know why Brock was never sent to prison for neglect.

 

[Charaxes]

Even though it's all supposed to be about inner beauty, they made fun of everyone that looked weird after Team Rocket's makeovers.

I don't know why Brock was never sent to prison for neglect.

Yeah, honestly, it felt more like style vs. substance to me, particularly how the Rockets emphasized style. Yes, inner beauty was acknowledged, but it seemed like an afterthought, in a way. Hence, why I went with my original episode discussion synopsis (I guess that's the official title for these things).

If your theory were to be carried out, then a lot of people would have to go to prison. Shifty eyes.

 

[PorygonSquared]

Laughs at Misty saying outer beauty is important. So much for her not being a female anime stereotype. *arms self with pesticide*

One of those "moral" episodes. Groans. At least Team Rocket's makeup crew was fun. Yay!

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Laughs at Misty saying outer beauty is important. So much for her not being a female anime stereotype. *arms self with pesticide*

Actually, it is technically important in the sense that it also needs to be focused on as well as the inner aspect. She was even trying to tell Ash that she also cares for inner beauty as well, and that it also was equally important, but it also needs to be focused on. I mean, in order for there to be perfect harmony and balance, both things need to be taken into account.

My main objection was when the person in question doesn't even come close to thinking about the inside and almost exclusively focuses on the outside (such as May's mirror incident [as well as dressing up and "stripping" on the beach, for lack of a better term for "Brave the Wave], and Dawn's reaction to Bedhead, and acting like a jerkette to Pachirisu in regards to shocking and ruining her hair.)

One of those "moral" episodes. Groans. At least Team Rocket's makeup crew was fun. Yay!

What's the problem with morals, anyways? I mean, the fanbase seems to only care about "thundershock" this and "kill and blow up guts" that. They seem to be too focused on mindless action. I mean, the Simpsons, for example, did an episode focusing on what happens when you ham up the action thing to it's max. The episode was Beyond Blunderdome, and it guest starred Mel Gibson, and the plot revolved around Mel Gibson recruiting Homer to help him make a Remake of "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" (Since he figured that the audience was "too nice" about his performance, and that only Homer was honest.)

Basically, here's how the redone Filibuster scene was done:

%
% That next day, Mel and Homer prepare to show the new, improved "Mr.
% Smith Goes to Washington." As it begins, Gibson, as Mr. Smith, is
% nearing the end of his filibuster speech.

Gibson: Well, I'm not licked. I'm going to stay here and fight for
this lost cause. Somebody will listen to me. Somebody will
... [collapses on the floor[
Payne: I believe the Senator has yielded the floor.
Gibson: [wakes up] Yield this, Senator Payne.
[throws an American flag like a javelin, striking Payne. He
falls on his desk, the flagpole now standing upright]
-- "Beyond Blunderdome"

% Gibson grabs two other senators and slams their heads inside two
% desks.

Gibson: I move, we impose some serious term limits.
Homer: [from the press gallery] I second that motion. [holds up a
rifle] With a vengeance! [tosses rifle to Gibson]
-- Why didn't Jimmy Stewart think of this? "Beyond Blunderdome"

% Catching the rifle, Gibson jumps up on a table and quips, "All in
% favor, say die." Then, spinning around on a table like Curly, the
% guns down most of the senators. The Senate leader complains that
% Gibson's actions are "highly unorthodox," and pounds a gavel. Gibson
% throws a fire extinguisher under the gavel, and when the leader hits
% it, it explodes. The explosion fills the building with smoke, and
% sends the statue on top of the Capitol Dome into the river.
%
% Just then, an aristocratic man storms in and identifies himself as
% the President of the United States. He demands to know what all the
% commotion is about. Gibson rips the National Seal down from the wall,
% and tosses it at the President, slicing off his head. The head lands
% at Gibson's feet. He picks it up and grimly says, "Happy birthday,
% Mr. President." A crowd of happy schoolchildren bursts in and carries
% Gibson off, cheering. Gibson takes his badge, and throws it into the
% dead Payne's hand. Payne's hand clutches it, and then relaxes. The
% lettering on the badge is changed to, "The End."
%
% The lights come up in the screening room.

Gibson: Pretty cool, huh?
Christian: You, uh, you chopped off the President's head.
Gibson: Bet you didn't see that coming.
Hannah: You impaled a United States Senator with the American
flag.
Milo: Why did Mr. Smith kill everybody?
Homer: It was symbolism. He was mad.
Christian: But this was going to be the studio's prestige picture,
like "Howard's End" or "Sophie's Choice."
Homer: Ugh. Those movies sucked. I only saw them to get Marge
into the sack. [sotto voce] P. S.: Mission
accomplished. [high-fives Gibson]
Christian: But we already bought five Golden Globe awards.
Gibson: I don't make movies to win awards. [holds up two Oscar
statuettes; speaks in sotto voce] Especially now that I
have two Oscars. [normal voice] I make movies for guys
like him.
Homer: Yeah, guys like me.
Christian: Who are you, anyway?
Homer: Do the words Executive Producer mean anything to you?
Gibson: Executive Producer?
Homer: We'll talk.
Christian: [takes film off the projector] You desecrated a classic
film. This is worse than "Godfather III."
Gibson: Whoa, whoa, hey, whoa! Let's not say things we can't
take back.
Christian: All right, all right, I'm sorry. But this film is never
going to see the light of day. [takes a lighter to the
film, intending to set it aflame]
[Gibson and Homer gasp]
Gibson: [pointing out the window] Look -- they're towing away a
Range Rover.
[Christian, Milo, and Hannah run to the window to look]
Hannah: There's no --
Gibson: [grabbing film] Yoink! C'mon Homer, we've got a movie
to premiere.
Homer: Woo hoo! [Gibson and Homer beat a hasty retreat]
Christian: We've got to get that film back or we're all going to
get fired, you know what I mean?
Milo: Yeah.
Christian: Huh?
Milo: Yeah.
Christian: Huh?
Milo: Yeah.
Christian: Huh?
Milo: Fired.
-- Another typical Hollywood screening, "Beyond Blunderdome"

Credit goes to the Simpson's Archive episode capsule of Beyond Blunderdome.

When they screen the movie (WITH the revised "filibuster" scene), how people reacted played out EXACTLY how the executives feared it would play out. People complaining, feeling horrified, and Jimmy Stewart's Granddaughter (whose old in this) threatens a lawsuit against Homer and Gibson.

And this revision was all thanks to this quote from Homer:

Homer: And it was fine for the 1930s; the country was doing great
back then. Everyone was into talking. But now, in whatever
year this is, the audience wants action. And seats with
beverage holders. But mainly action.

I can't believe I had to spend almost an entire post referencing the Simpsons to get my point across, but, oh well.

Anyways, I thought that it was somewhat of a Good episode. Though I must admit, was it really necessary of Ash to laugh at Misty's appearance? I mean, it's a big mistake and all, but did he laugh when Brock wore that pink apron? no. Also, it did seem hypocritical of Ash to laugh at Misty's appearance, when his rants to how he claims that she doesn't even focus on the inside (and thus the resulting bet) was the reason why this whole thing even took place.

 

[PorygonSquared]

I hate children's television shows (including the Simpsons, especially many episodes revolving around Lisa) that design episodes solely so that the writers can shove set morals down people's throats like they are morons. That's why I loved A Series of Unfortunate Events for lampooning this concept.

And one "mirror incident" is a crime. Dearest Noodleness, forgive me. I have sinned. I have admired myself in the mirror more than one time! And I am fairly ugly on the outside. I desire double repetenance!

Do I really want to respond to that overly long non sequitur?

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

I hate children's television shows (including the Simpsons, especially many episodes revolving around Lisa) that design episodes solely so that the writers can shove set morals down people's throats like they are morons. That's why I loved A Series of Unfortunate Events for lampooning this concept.

Err... I saw the movie, and it barely had that in it, if at all.

Also, you DO realize that the Simpsons isn't a Kids' show, right? I mean, it's a teenage/grown-up show because it involves some language, nudity, some innuendo, among others. Stuff that doesn't even make a kids show now.

Besides, that's BARELY even "shoving morals down our throats". The whole "Mary Moo Cow=Baby Show" thing in Arthur seems to be far more that than this episode (Then again, considering how Arthur's running gag of doing that in even episodes that don't point that out as a flaw was the reason why I even began to fear watching old kids shows [which included, yes, Pokemon], I have some amniosity towards it.). Heck, they actually contradicted the moral, as well (Jorah and Charaxes already mentioned the contradiction.)

And one "mirror incident" is a crime. Dearest Noodleness, forgive me. I have sinned. I have admired myself in the mirror more than one time! And I am fairly ugly on the outside. I desire double repetenance!

Did I point out that May's "Mirror incident" in "The Bicker the Better" also nearly sent Ash to the hospital?

Do I really want to respond to that overly long non sequitur?

Considering how you are acting like Morals shouldn't be in any shows, and it should focus on only action related things, yes, you'll NEED to respond to that simpsons quote (you kinda brought it unto yourself, anyways. Maybe if you and some others didn't repeatedly ignore my previous responses where you gave similar answers as to how "Action is everything" and all that, I wouldn't HAVE to post that.)

 

[PorygonSquared]

Err... I saw the movie, and it barely had that in it, if at all.

Also, you DO realize that the Simpsons isn't a Kids' show, right? I mean, it's a teenage/grown-up show because it involves some language, nudity, some innuendo, among others. Stuff that doesn't even make a kids show now.

Besides, that's BARELY even "shoving morals down our throats". The whole "Mary Moo Cow=Baby Show" thing in Arthur seems to be far more that than this episode (Then again, considering how Arthur's running gag of doing that in even episodes that don't point that out as a flaw was the reason why I even began to fear watching old kids shows [which included, yes, Pokemon], I have some amniosity towards it.). Heck, they actually contradicted the moral, as well (Jorah and Charaxes already mentioned the contradiction.)



Did I point out that May's "Mirror incident" in "The Bicker the Better" also nearly sent Ash to the hospital?



Considering how you are acting like Morals shouldn't be in any shows, and it should focus on only action related things, yes, you'll NEED to respond to that simpsons quote (you kinda brought it unto yourself, anyways. Maybe if you and some others didn't repeatedly ignore my previous responses where you gave similar answers as to how "Action is everything" and all that, I wouldn't HAVE to post that.)

A Series of Unfortunate Events is a subversion of the whole "shoving morals down our throats" concept. It mocks the idea in a subtly black humourous way. I personally feel that morals shouldn't be so blatantly "in your face" and should be more subtle. Of course, some stories work with the former, but it's overdone.

And another non sequitur which will only give me a headache to respond to, but why do you let television shows influence the way you think so much?

Alas, making a mountain out of a molehill so you can blame May for something. It's never Ash's fault for being so rash, is it? Then again, I suppose you did hold hating May as a higher priority over surviving a life-threatening body injury, so I'm not surprised.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

A Series of Unfortunate Events is a subversion of the whole "shoving morals down our throats" concept. It mocks the idea in a subtly black humourous way. I personally feel that morals shouldn't be so blatantly "in your face" and should be more subtle. Of course, some stories work with the former, but it's overdone.

So, you don't want them to be blatant, yet you also seemed to hint that the subtleties overdone, which also hints that you also don't want them to be subtle? What do you want?

And another non sequitur which will only give me a headache to respond to, but why do you let television shows influence the way you think so much?

Same reason why we let what the school system says in regards to history and other subjects dominate our lives, even IF we don't agree with it, and the same reason why people watch the news. Because I feel it's an important event/life lesson.

Alas, making a mountain out of a molehill so you can blame May for something. It's never Ash's fault for being so rash, is it? Then again, I suppose you did hold hating May as a higher priority over surviving a life-threatening body injury, so I'm not surprised.

How was what Ash was doing "Life-Threatening"? He wasn't walking up to a blast or trying to push someone out of the way of a threat. He wasn't diving in front of a lethal force to defend someone. He was just trying to push May to some sort of location when she stopped just to look at herself in the mirror.

Oh, wait, I remember, the Pneumothorax, I recall. Funny thing is... when most people are glad they themselves are alive, it's a selfish emotion and thought process. Another thing, I wasn't even BLAMING May for my injury, I was hating her for being similar to that... that... depiction!

You know what, Just stay away from me from now on. I don't want to get this into an arguement (which you kinda started, anyways.), and I don't want you harassing me, so just get away. In fact, I'll try and issue a restraining order if you keep this up (That is, if the forums have an equivalent to keeping someone away from you.).

 

[nickstr]

You can do that on these forums, on Bulbagarden, and Serebii. It is called an ignore list and you have the option to place people whose crap you don't want to put up with in them. I have done this on here and on Bulbagarden so that is an option as well but a restraining order is far too extreme for something like this.

 

[Charaxes]

What's the problem with morals, anyways? I mean, the fanbase seems to only care about "thundershock" this and "kill and blow up guts" that. They seem to be too focused on mindless action. I mean, the Simpsons, for example, did an episode focusing on what happens when you ham up the action thing to it's max. The episode was Beyond Blunderdome, and it guest starred Mel Gibson, and the plot revolved around Mel Gibson recruiting Homer to help him make a Remake of "Mr. Smith goes to Washington" (Since he figured that the audience was "too nice" about his performance, and that only Homer was honest.)

I'm with you. I loathe Ash because he goes Thunderbolting everyone, and does he have to deal with consequences? Of course not. I'm surprised he hasn't killed the Rockets with the voltage he usually sends their way. I finally dropped it, but whenever I heard "Ash is awesome!" I go, "uh, this is why I don't go there."

But this isn't the episode for such discussions, but I did want to address that, since you brought up the "mindless action." Which is why I liked Mewtwo, as it tried to develop thought, then devolved into angst real fast.

Nice reference, as that did amuse me. I also watched the original Mr. Smith the week before the episode aired. Irony? You make the call.

Edit: As for this "leave me alone" stuff, well, I'm in a bad mood for non-site reasons, right now. So, let's not go there, huh?

 

[wardjacke]

This is the one area Team Rocket accord anybody crazy styles. Even admitting it's all declared to be about close beauty, they fabricated fun of anybody that looked awe-inspiring afterwards Team Rocket's makeovers.Vulpix Flamethrowers Misty, which is kinda funny.