Pokemon Jumped the shark

[tough]

I disargee with Mew and GstheHero since both of you are wrong and your opinions are only opinions not facts.

Pokemon jump the shark for the worst during Sinnoh,the Diamond and Pearl series was really god awful with Dawn being in it,her character was annoying as hell.

May and Max were awful characters to add to the show,Johto never ruined the pokemon series it saved pokemon by the way,Misty was the best character to ever be part of the pokemon anime and more so then that retarded May or that loser Max,Hoenn was a ok series but it still was boring on most parts.

Sinnoh was the worst series ever and the fillers were too much and the plots suck big time,Team Galactic had a very crappy overrused ending just like Team Aqua and Team Magma had back in Hoenn.

Johto fillers were ok to deal with since some of them were boring not all of them and Pokemon was still at is best during Johto,it was the peak year's of pokemon before Hoenn got started and those contest would become a part of the show,they got old real fast in the Sinnoh series and thank god they are gone forever.

Best Wishes series have redeem Pokemon in a much better way then the Diamond and Pearl series fail to do,this series is turning out to be really great so far.

 

[PearlShipper4Life]

Well, at least you seem to like Best Wishes =/
Is it cuz Misty fans feel Misty=Iris?? Now, I loved every series and pretty much all the characters, except for funny enough Misty, no offense to you or any other Misty fan, I just didn't like how she treated Ash that entire time. Please tell me, why you feel Best Wishes has redeemed Pokemon in your eye's? I'm curious. You hated AG/D/P yet you love Best Wishes, again just curious.

 

[tough]

Well, at least you seem to like Best Wishes =/
Is it cuz Misty fans feel Misty=Iris?? Now, I loved every series and pretty much all the characters, except for funny enough Misty, no offense to you or any other Misty fan, I just didn't like how she treated Ash that entire time. Please tell me, why you feel Best Wishes has redeemed Pokemon in your eye's? I'm curious. You hated AG/D/P yet you love Best Wishes, again just curious.

Well because the Best Wishes series reminded me of the original pokemon series season 1,i like how Misty treated Ash it was kinda funny most of the times.

I didn't really hate AG series that much since it was kinda ok to me,but i never cared for the DP series it became so boring with all of these girly crappy contest which by the time were getting really old and lame.

Thank god pokemon are not part of the Unova series,that way the Best Wishes series stays fresh and keep on during a good job.

 

[GStheHero]

I said that it my opinion at least 3 times. I never once said it was a fact. I said it was my opinion.

And what makes your opinion a fact? Answer me, I'd really like to hear how you can justify saying I'm wrong and you're right.

 

[tough]

I said that it my opinion at least 3 times. I never once said it was a fact. I said it was my opinion.

And what makes your opinion a fact? Answer me, I'd really like to hear how you can justify saying I'm wrong and you're right.

I never said everthing i say is right,i'm just voicing my opinions.

 

[Satoshi Ookami]

Once again some MistyomgshesawesomejustbecauseKantoisoriginal guy who doesn't see how Misty was annoying just because she was the first girl in the show...
Haruka and Hikari were much better then Kasumi. They had better personalities, they were more important in the show etc...
And to tell the truth if you compare original series with AG or DP, AG and DP owns big time.

 

[GStheHero]

I never said everthing i say is right,i'm just voicing my opinions.

Then why do you feel like you need to call me out, say that I'm stating my opinion as a fact, and then declare it wrong? My opinion is that Johto was horrible.

 

[tough]

Once again some MistyomgshesawesomejustbecauseKantoisoriginal guy who doesn't see how Misty was annoying just because she was the first girl in the show...
Haruka and Hikari were much better then Kasumi. They had better personalities, they were more important in the show etc...
And to tell the truth if you compare original series with AG or DP, AG and DP owns big time.

That is your opinion on AG and DP own the Original series which is only your opinions not a fact,AG and DP series never ever will own the Original Pokemon series that is for sure.

May and Dawn suck personality wise and Misty was more better then them,they were only important in the show due to the Pokemon contest they were promoting at the time other then that they both suck,the real truth if you look at the Original Pokemon series it will win over the AG and DP series anyday.

Johto fillers were ok and good to watch and the show was still going strong during that time period,but Johto was never horrible to begin with,it was the true great season of pokemon.

You have a right to your own opinions,but it is only a matter of opinions wether Johto was horrible or not.

 

[Mew~]

Let's try this again shall we?

I disargee with Mew and GstheHero since both of you are wrong and your opinions are only opinions not facts.

Yes, and your sprouting off your opinions as facts, when they're also just opinions. Everyone has their different way of things, your got to accept that.

Pokemon jump the shark for the worst during Sinnoh,the Diamond and Pearl series was really god awful with Dawn being in it,her character was annoying as hell.

Well, I disagree with that. Do have any actual reasons though? You can't just say someone is annoying as hell without saying why.

May and Max were awful characters to add to the show

Another opinion, not a fact...

Johto never ruined the pokemon series it saved pokemon by the way

Pfffttt... From what?

Sinnoh was the worst series ever and the fillers were too much and the plots suck big time

Well that's the same as Johto then really isn't it?

Team Galactic had a very crappy overrused ending just like Team Aqua and Team Magma had back in Hoenn.

Really? That wasn't the case at all really, both teams panned out very differently. Maxie and Archie pretty much saw what they did was wrong. Cyrus kinda just went mad and went into the space/time vortex thingee. I loved how DP went about the whole plot though, having Azelf, Uxie & Mesprit call out to Ash, Dawn and Brock, seeing as they all noticed them throughout the series.

Johto fillers were ok to deal with since some of them were boring not all of them and Pokemon was still at is best during Johto

I could agree with you there, but then the same goes for Hoenn and Sinnoh, funny fillers. One of my favourite episodes is the Sinnoh episode "Where No Togepi Has Gone Before"

it was the peak year's of pokemon before Hoenn got started and those contest would become a part of the show,they got old real fast in the Sinnoh series and thank god they are gone forever.

I disagree, contests brought something new to the show, and Sinnoh did kind of spruce up the contests a lot with the Super Contests. Like wearing costumes, and the seals on Ball Capsules.

Best Wishes series have redeem Pokemon in a much better way then the Diamond and Pearl series fail to do,this series is turning out to be really great so far.

Not sure about the Sinnoh part, but I am glad you seem to be enjoying it.


Well, I don't really agree with them really ever actually jumping the shark, because I do agree with quite a few people when I say it gets better every series. Even if there are those little disappointments, the rest of the series usually make up for them.

Of course every series has it's flaws though, so I will rule out a few I didn't like:
-The amount of fillers in Johto were very boring, I didn't like waiting so long between badges n' all that.
-Misty. Although I have accepted that Misty leaving was a good thing too, I still her her a lot, she was a great character. But I still love Max, May and Dawn either way, they're all great characters.
-More fillers in Sinnoh, I mean seriously, we had to wait 52 episodes in between Snowpoint and Sunnyshore gym, though you could count out the Team Galactic thing if you like, since I enjoyed it.
-Going through the Sinnoh League and Grand Festival too fast. I was very disappointed in this, I mean we had to endure so much time sinnoh only to be rushed through the league and grand festival so they could air Black and White. (Well, at least that's how it felt)

 

[tough]

Let's try this again shall we?


Yes, and your sprouting off your opinions as facts, when they're also just opinions. Everyone has their different way of things, your got to accept that.




Well, I disagree with that. Do have any actual reasons though? You can't just say someone is annoying as hell without saying why.


Another opinion, not a fact...


Pfffttt... From what?


Well that's the same as Johto then really isn't it?


Really? That wasn't the case at all really, both teams panned out very differently. Maxie and Archie pretty much saw what they did was wrong. Cyrus kinda just went mad and went into the space/time vortex thingee. I loved how DP went about the whole plot though, having Azelf, Uxie & Mesprit call out to Ash, Dawn and Brock, seeing as they all noticed them throughout the series.


I could agree with you there, but then the same goes for Hoenn and Sinnoh, funny fillers. One of my favourite episodes is the Sinnoh episode "Where No Togepi Has Gone Before"


I disagree, contests brought something new to the show, and Sinnoh did kind of spruce up the contests a lot with the Super Contests. Like wearing costumes, and the seals on Ball Capsules.


Not sure about the Sinnoh part, but I am glad you seem to be enjoying it.


Well, I don't really agree with them really ever actually jumping the shark, because I do agree with quite a few people when I say it gets better every series. Even if there are those little disappointments, the rest of the series usually make up for them.

Of course every series has it's flaws though, so I will rule out a few I didn't like:
-The amount of fillers in Johto were very boring, I didn't like waiting so long between badges n' all that.
-Misty. Although I have accepted that Misty leaving was a good thing too, I still her her a lot, she was a great character. But I still love Max, May and Dawn either way, they're all great characters.
-More fillers in Sinnoh, I mean seriously, we had to wait 52 episodes in between Snowpoint and Sunnyshore gym, though you could count out the Team Galactic thing if you like, since I enjoyed it.
-Going through the Sinnoh League and Grand Festival too fast. I was very disappointed in this, I mean we had to endure so much time sinnoh only to be rushed through the league and grand festival so they could air Black and White. (Well, at least that's how it felt)

I do understand that people have different opinions on things.

Team Galactic finale was too overrused and ended in a very stupid way,the ending for Team Galactic was a poorly done plot twist.

Contest were good only during Hoenn since they were still new at the time, but they got old by the time Sinnoh came around,i'm glad they came to a end.

Hoenn was a good series but Sinnoh series suck plot wise and the designs on some of the new 4 gen pokemon were mess up as hell,Unova is doing good on the who reboot thing and keeping the show fresh at the same time.

 

[Spinor]

I disargee with Mew and GstheHero since both of you are wrong and your opinions are only opinions not facts.

>Disagree
>opinions

Genius! You are disagreeing with an opinion! Sound the alarms! Your action is a revolutionary thought in mankind's history! You sir are our next savior!

I do understand that people have different opinions on things.

LOL. THEN WHY DO YOU CHALLENGE THEM AGAINST YOURS?! Why do you seek to wave that disgusting grammar to wave your opinions to disprove other completely rational opinions? You know what you're doing? You're a lion trying to convince a leopard that eating deer is better. But the leopard is like "SCREW YOU, I LIKE ZEBRAS" And you continue to debate expecting the leopard to change his diet! You know what you are? Albert Einstein would say: Insane! "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

You want my opinion of your little topic that you just wanna pick a fight in? Pokemon jumped the shark in Jotho because of excess fillers. That's my story and I'm sticking to it because it's MY opinion. And no matter what you reply, you can't change my opinion. Get that through your thick concrete-skull and have peaceful, civil, and grammatically correct conversations if you plan on posting much longer.

 

[tough]

>Disagree
>opinions

Genius! You are disagreeing with an opinion! Sound the alarms! Your action is a revolutionary thought in mankind's history! You sir are our next savior!



LOL. THEN WHY DO YOU CHALLENGE THEM AGAINST YOURS?! Why do you seek to wave that disgusting grammar to wave your opinions to disprove other completely rational opinions? You know what you're doing? You're a lion trying to convince a leopard that eating deer is better. But the leopard is like "SCREW YOU, I LIKE ZEBRAS" And you continue to debate expecting the leopard to change his diet! You know what you are? Albert Einstein would say: Insane! "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

You want my opinion of your little topic that you just wanna pick a fight in? Pokemon jumped the shark in Jotho because of excess fillers. That's my story and I'm sticking to it because it's MY opinion. And no matter what you reply, you can't change my opinion. Get that through your thick concrete-skull and have peaceful, civil, and grammatically correct conversations if you plan on posting much longer.

You need to look at your own disgusting ugly poor handwriting and stop making a idiot out of your self.

I am not trying to force my opinions on anybody and you are trying to start a fight then let's bring it on then.

Pokemon never jumped the shark during Johto and those fillers episodes were well done wether you like it or not,you got that wrong you can't change my opinions and i will stand by my opinions,you don't like what i say you can go somewere else,your opinions are not facts either.

 

[Kenshin5]

Well because the Best Wishes series reminded me of the original pokemon series season 1,i like how Misty treated Ash it was kinda funny most of the times.

I didn't really hate AG series that much since it was kinda ok to me,but i never cared for the DP series it became so boring with all of these girly crappy contest which by the time were getting really old and lame.

Thank god pokemon are not part of the Unova series,that way the Best Wishes series stays fresh and keep on during a good job.

This is quite a vivid explanation as to why they are horrible. There was contests in AG what makes DP any different? And if you don't like the contests why do you watch them then? I guess an excess of fillers is more preferable to you then.

You need to look at your own disgusting ugly poor handwriting and stop making a idiot out of your self.

I am not trying to force my opinions on anybody and you are trying to start a fight then let's bring it on then.

Pokemon never jumped the shark during Johto and those fillers episodes were well done wether you like it or not,you got that wrong you can't change my opinions and i will stand by my opinions,you don't like what i say you can go somewere else,your opinions are not facts either.

When did he ever say he was trying to change your opinion? You keep saying over and over your opinions are not facts they are opinions. I think everyone has got the point after you said that after the 100th time since you've been here. If opinions were facts then they would be called facts not opinions.

 

[Jorah]

AK47 has magically beautiful handwriting that puts your default of defaultness to shame.

I can't put myself through rewatching Johto, and BW is becoming a bit of a chore to watch now, too. Will agree that by DP contests became very dull.

 

[Althea]

I'm afraid I disagree here: Best Wishes has made the Pokemon anime absolutely unwatchable for me.

As a character, I can't say I was overly keen on May. Partly because her character development was always put to one side for Ash's, and she was treated as little more than an afterthought. But Dawn, whilst she was extremely annoying to start with, was a fantastic addition to the cast, because she wasn't just a sideline character; her development was equally as important as Ash's, and the two worked well together (I mean that in a non-shipping way) to make the anime interesting again. Whilst I don't think Dawn should have beaten May in the Wallace Cup, I can understand why the writers did it, and her character did improve from that moment onwards. Coming in second place overall was, for her at least, quite the achievement, and she came a long way over the series.

Looking at things in hindsight, Dawn is perhaps the best member of Ash's party, because she actually went beyond the sidekick role to have her own character that didn't revolve entirely around watching Ash battle. Yes, Brock and Misty both have their own goals, but how often did we see those goals come over Ash's? Very rarely.

As for fillers...about 90% of this anime is filler. They travel, they find some random character who has a Pokemon they've never seen before, Team Rocket appear, they save the day, they move on. Rinse and repeat until the next Gym Leader or contest or whatever. They're all pretty much the same to me.

The Team plots are never handled well; its the same as in the games. They don't get anywhere near enough exposure to be little more than fillers themselves. If they're going to be the primary antagonists as such, they need to show up more than once every fifty episodes or so, and it needs to be more than just a token appearance as well, and they need to visibly accomplish something. Perhaps the only antagonist in the Pokemon anime I have ever been able to take even remotely seriously is Hunter J.

Best Wishes has undone everything that Diamond and Pearl built up: Ash is back to being a stubborn, idiotic little brat, and he has two new sidekicks with absolutely no character whatsoever. For me at least, there is absolutely no reason to watch the anime anymore, and it is going to take a hell of a lot for it to get out of this slump. This is just how I feel about it, though.

 

[Kenshin5]

As for fillers...about 90% of this anime is filler. They travel, they find some random character who has a Pokemon they've never seen before, Team Rocket appear, they save the day, they move on. Rinse and repeat until the next Gym Leader or contest or whatever. They're all pretty much the same to me.

Depends on what you define as a filler. Many people see non-fillers as Captures, Evolutions, Rival Battles, Gym Matches, League Matches, Regional Villains episode, or an episode that adds character development either to the companions or pokemon. So I don't see how fillers comprise 90% of the anime.

The Team plots are never handled well; its the same as in the games. They don't get anywhere near enough exposure to be little more than fillers themselves. If they're going to be the primary antagonists as such, they need to show up more than once every fifty episodes or so, and it needs to be more than just a token appearance as well, and they need to visibly accomplish something. Perhaps the only antagonist in the Pokemon anime I have ever been able to take even remotely seriously is Hunter J.

I do agree with you there, teams aren't handled very well in just about any Saga if not all of them. You have them show up in one episode steal something to achieve their goals with down the line then you don't see them again for another 50 or so episodes. That gap seems way too big too me. One thing I don't like about Best Wishes is we didn't get to see Plasma in Nacrene City, then episodes we did get to see them are not aired, and who knows when we will see them again.

Best Wishes has undone everything that Diamond and Pearl built up: Ash is back to being a stubborn, idiotic little brat, and he has two new sidekicks with absolutely no character whatsoever. For me at least, there is absolutely no reason to watch the anime anymore, and it is going to take a hell of a lot for it to get out of this slump. This is just how I feel about it, though.

And that same can't be said about DP undoing everything AG built up? We had Pikachu going from beating a Regice to tieing with an Elekid. Cilan has no character what so ever? He has just as much character as I have seen with anyone in recent years from being a cook, to a Connoisseur, Fishermen, Detective, and then doing a perfect acting job as a pirate. I really can't say as much for Iris though since she only had one development episode in BW036, and other then that all she does is proclaim herself as Dragon Master for what it is worth.

 

[Althea]

Depends on what you define as a filler. Many people see non-fillers as Captures, Evolutions, Rival Battles, Gym Matches, League Matches, Regional Villains episode, or an episode that adds character development either to the companions or pokemon. So I don't see how fillers comprise 90% of the anime.

I suppose it does. I would only define Rival Battles, Gym Matches, League Matches and *possibly* Regional Villain episodes as non-filler, unless there is an exceptional episode that sees one of the main character's backstories explored.

I do agree with you there, teams aren't handled very well in just about any Saga if not all of them. You have them show up in one episode steal something to achieve their goals with down the line then you don't see them again for another 50 or so episodes. That gap seems way too big too me. One thing I don't like about Best Wishes is we didn't get to see Plasma in Nacrene City, then episodes we did get to see them are not aired, and who knows when we will see them again.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. They put as much emphasis on the plot point episodes as they do the filler episodes most of the time, especially the team episodes, and therein lies one of the problems of the series, I think. I mean, with Gym battles and whatnot, you'll have at least two episodes: one to establish who the Gym Leader is, then another to battle them. Possibly a couple more if Ash loses. With the team episodes, it's just a one-off until the very end much of the time, with no real emphasis. Since the team is supposed to be a huge part of the plot, it doesn't speak well for the plot.

And that same can't be said about DP undoing everything AG built up? We had Pikachu going from beating a Regice to tieing with an Elekid. Cilan has no character what so ever? He has just as much character as I have seen with anyone in recent years from being a cook, to a Connoisseur, Fishermen, Detective, and then doing a perfect acting job as a pirate. I really can't say as much for Iris though since she only had one development episode in BW036, and other then that all she does is proclaim herself as Dragon Master for what it is worth.

AG really didn't build up very much though, at least not in my opinion. Ash didn't really advance as a character over that series like he did in DPPt, and May never really took the spotlight in the same way Dawn did. AG had perhaps the best handling of the teams, at least in my opinion - no doubt because there were two of them - but in terms of development, there was hardly any of it...with, perhaps, Ash losing to Brandon multiple times before finally overcoming him being the exception.

I'll admit that perhaps it is too early to judge BW, but I personally have lost patience with it. Unlike Dawn, who asserted herself from the beginning as a prominent character - after all, the series did start with her - Cilan and Iris have done no such thing, and the series seems to be once again focusing on Ash almost exclusively, when he has gone back to being an inexperienced moron. Time will tell if this trend continues, but I can't see Cilan or Iris getting the same sort of development as Dawn did, at least not in a single season. It doesn't have that same impact that DPPt did, for me at least. It feels very much like AG did at the beginning, in fact...dull.

As for Ash's Pikachu...well, they reduced its power level in the jump from Johto to Hoenn as well. That Pikachu should be have been able to defeat Darkrai single-handed, along with the rest of Tobias' squad, with ease, yet it always gets nerfed...no doubt because it's the mascot Pokemon so it can't be ditched, and having Ash defeat everyone would be extremely boring. But that doesn't mean that Ash should develop some sort of personality regression and go back to being the inexperienced kid he was in the very first episode, which is what he's done in Best Wishes. You could argue that he does this at the beginning of each anime, but I don't think it was quite as...severe, in either AG or DPPt. I suppose it depends on how forgiving you want to be.

 

[GStheHero]

tough, you need to stop being such a jerk to everyone, and comes to terms that your grammar is despicable. That way the members here will actually like you.

Since Kenshin5 mentioned it; it extremely irritates me that they skipped those two important episodes. I haven't had the chance to play Black or White so I'm really interested in seeing the new team, but because of the earthquake they skipped the episodes in both Japan and America. It's frustrating to say the least.

 

[Ducklighter]

This topic is misleading.

I thought it was about Pokemon jumping over sharks but it seems to be calling people out. XD

My opinions are mine and they're not fact but opinions, just like everyone else' here. XD

 

[marcc5m]

I disargee with Mew and GstheHero since both of you are wrong and your opinions are only opinions not facts.

Ahahahahahaha. You should be telling yourself this. I've seen you posting in many different threads just to tell them that they are wrong, their opinions are stupid, and that you are the complete opposite.
Examples:
https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/6715480/
https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/6722847/
https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/6732984
https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/6713876/
https://www.pokecommunity.com/posts/6704880/

I could find more if I wanted. Whenever someone posts something you don't agree with...actually just look at this (keep in mind this never really happened, it's all made up, but it probably would happen):
Thread = Capture speculation

I think that Ash should catch Pawniard. It would be his first steel type, and would suit him.

And then:

omg your opinion is stupid. why would ash catch a pawniard it is a stupid pokemon and doesn't suit him your opinion is dumb

Next:

Stop acting like your opinion is fact, it isn't, I want him to catch a Pawniard, and please improve your grammar.

Finally:

Don't talk to me like that you idiot, my grammar is much better than your ****.

Note how you automatically better your grammar whenever someone says your grammar is bad, which it is. You post every single time someone else posts something you don't agree with, just to tell them that their opinion is stupid and yours is right.

Well, do you know what my opinion is? You should grow up, and learn to respect other people's opinions, before you get banned.

Now, on topic, I think that Hoenn was actually a decent series. I honestly didn't have a problem with Max, except the fact he never caught a Pokemon. I really liked May too.
I liked Kanto, obviously, as it was the first series and got me into Pokemon.
I haven't seen enough of Johto to say anything.
Best Wishes has been good so far.
I did not like Sinnoh at all, however. I hated Dawn and her catchphrase, I hated how they re-used the whole Pokemon Co-ordinator thing, I hate how they ignored Brock, and I hated how they were all stupider than usual. Team Rocket had much more obvious disguises. I did however like Infernape. But that's about all I liked. Oh and Ash's battle with Paul too.