Possibly the end of Pokemon!

[Pogiforce-14]

What's that supposed to mean? :\

It's jsut a rumor anyway. There is no truth behind it.

 

[Mr Cat Dog]

Pokemon was what kept the GBC alive when it came out into mainstream world. It was criticised at first for being too Japanese, but it soon grew on everyone, and became a phenomenon. Giving up on it would send out bad vibes from Nintendo... so I don't exactly see them axing it for a long time yet at least.

 

[Phreak]

I think it might be at its end. With tons of new pokemon (too many) and remakes of the old pokemon series gives me hints of its end.

 

[Stevo-kun]

See everyone agrees with me and this did not go down well XD.

Thanks guys.

Pokemon_Veteran

 

[Taki]

Pokemon ending!!??? NO way!! And why should they end Mario anyway?? Mario made the Nintendo famous!!! I know this is all a bunch of lies... But I couldn't BARE even thinking about it!!! :O

 

[Icivl Trainer]

I believe there will be another 225 - 250 Pokemon coming to the Nintendo DS versions.

 

[Star Crossed Dreamer]

Not likely.

It's not likely that Pokemon will end anytime soon. That's for sure.

 

[DarkTerror]

Again, I have to disagree wtih you. Most people would rather hunt down 386 different ones and give them more thigns to do, than hutn down 151 and beat it easy and be forced to buy a different game. They may eventually get bored of a longer hunt, but at least they got more gaming fun out of it in the long run. And if they can find time to collect 151, then they can find time to collect 386. They aren't on any time constraints. it's not like after a month they ahve to stop playing it. And a great majority of the people would rather just train to be the best than worry about the POkedex anyways. So in that case, it doesn't matter how many there is in terms of game replayability. People play it for fun, and do it for as long as they can. And they do that by having more thigns to do, which is what the newer games promise.

Just because someone plays Pokemon, it doesn't mean that's all they ever play. I've got a lot more games to play and wait for, so as soon as another game I was waiting for got released, I just dropped Pokemon. In here, nobody cares about your Pokedex. Nobody cares about your team's levels, or your mad battle skills(AKA the ability to read a tutorial). A friend of mine trained all of his team to levels above 80, and the result? No one cares. I usually just drop a game after a month of playing it anyway. Finding time to collect 151 is different then finding time to collect 386. It takes loads more time, and no one cares to the slightest anyway. I wouldn't buy Pokemon Ruby and go through th trouble of beating it again just to collect all the Pokemon that I don't have in Sapphire and trade them to it. I've got more fun stuff to do than that.

On another note, we aren't denying ir's not as popular as it used to be. If you read my last post, you would have realized that. we're just saying it's not nearl;y as dead as you think it is, and you can't be stereotypical and apply your beliefs to every other american gamer.

It's dead exactly as I think it is. There aren't as many people that care about it as before. Get it through your thick skull.

And not everything has to die. It may drop down to the bottom some time, but not everything dies. As long as there is a fan base, it will never die. so long as they ahve that Theme park they're going to build in Japan, it won't die. HEck, so long as they make money off of it, it won't die.

Yeah, I'm sure people would still play Pokemon in 2104. Nintendo would still be making money out of it, and I'm sure kids would be crying to their parents to buy them the game at the time. Yeah, this board will still exist in a hundred years. And yeah, just because something has a theme park, it'd never die. Someone never heard of failure.

Fire Red/ Leaf Green: Enhanced graphics, Vs. Seeker, Running shoes, Animated item usage, Berries, Berry Masher, Dodrio Mini Game, LInk up with other Gen. Games, Sevii Islands, Pokedex that sorts the pokemon in many more ways than the old one, new box system taht operates much better than before,choice of boy or girl character, breeding, personality, abilities, occasional Double Battles, new moves, smoother graphics, and of course new Pokemon.

No intellegent gamer cares about most of these stuff, people would look for something that's fun to play, not good looking. EarthBound's an awesome game, yet it's graphics are so simple and basic. Sonic Blast had awesome graphics, yet it plain sucks. Choice of boy or girl character, wow, a change of sprites amaze me.

Now I don't know what kind of player you are, but you msut be one of those extremist retro players if you look at anything new as sucky and stupid. But most people would prefer sleeker, smoother graphics and an updated gaming engine to something so old.

Pokemon R/S/FR/LG isn't "everything new". What kind of gamer I am? I don't really know, but I sure as heck not the kind of gamer who looks at Pokemon as everything in gaming. Yeah, most people prefer seeing old games ported to newer consoles over and over with some better graphics, and extra unneeded features.

And now you're being hypocritical. You say you want a new game, but you don't want any new pokemon? What's teh point in that? POkemon is what it's all about, not some bonus things you can do. And they did not run out of ideas. These pokemon were all invented before it was even released. And there are plenty more waiting to show themselves. Did you not read Blue's comment about the 1171 confrimed species of pokemon? How are teh new pokemon any different than the old ones?

Pokemon Colloseum didn't feature any new Pokemon, yet you said you liked it. Who's being the hypocrite here, pal?

Before you come back, I want you to honestly think thorugh your agrument.You're too personal with the situation, and apply your personal beliefs to every situation. which is biased and unfair, and makes for a poor argument. So please, think it over before you post again.

Who else's opinion would I post then? Or do I have to stop posting my opinions just to please you? Ah, now I get it. I have to agree with everyone here and never stand for what I think is right, just like many sheep idiots out there. You know what they call someone who does that? A hypocrite.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

Just because someone plays Pokemon, it doesn't mean that's all they ever play. I've got a lot more games to play and wait for, so as soon as another game I was waiting for got released, I just dropped Pokemon. In here, nobody cares about your Pokedex. Nobody cares about your team's levels, or your mad battle skills(AKA the ability to read a tutorial). A friend of mine trained all of his team to levels above 80, and the result? No one cares. I usually just drop a game after a month of playing it anyway. Finding time to collect 151 is different then finding time to collect 386. It takes loads more time, and no one cares to the slightest anyway. I wouldn't buy Pokemon Ruby and go through th trouble of beating it again just to collect all the Pokemon that I don't have in Sapphire and trade them to it. I've got more fun stuff to do than that.

People do care, because almost everyone plays pokemon, and they want to battle you. Do you know how many different people I battled and traded with on my ruby version? 26. That's a fair amount of people for just my friends and my neighborhood. And that's not counting the 9 or 10 that decided they didn't want to battle me after all when they saw how powerful my team was.

And any professional gamer plays a game to beat it in it's entirety. Only amteurs play it for a short run and then drop it play something else for an equally short period of time.

It's dead exactly as I think it is. There aren't as many people that care about it as before. Get it through your thick skull.

Now you're getting offensive and running my patience very thin. I've stated three times already we know not as many play it as before. what I've been sayin is more people play it than you realize. So who's teh thick one here?

Yeah, I'm sure people would still play Pokemon in 2104. Nintendo would still be making money out of it, and I'm sure kids would be crying to their parents to buy them the game at the time. Yeah, this board will still exist in a hundred years. And yeah, just because something has a theme park, it'd never die. Someone never heard of failure.

Mockery never proves anything. Ever heard of something that is timeless? Means it's so good, that it never truly dies off. Rock and Roll is considered Timeless. Scooby Doo is timeless. TV is timeless. And Pokemon will be timeless too. When people start losing interest, do you think the cards adn movies and toys and mluti level downtown newyork department stores and theme parks are going to jsut disappear? Don't think so. It's going to stay strong, if only around those areas.

No intellegent gamer cares about most of these stuff, people would look for something that's fun to play, not good looking. EarthBound's an awesome game, yet it's graphics are so simple and basic. Sonic Blast had awesome graphics, yet it plain sucks. Choice of boy or girl character, wow, a change of sprites amaze me.

Wow, my government teacher is right. Using Rhetoric really does chew you down and make you an open target for the opponent's coutnermeasure.. Too bad you're the one using it. :P Of course intelligent gamers care, because it's called
change. Why would they want to buy a new game if it was exactly the same as the last one? Should Nintendo just keep selling Red and blue version and not try for something that is different? And the change of character does matter, because now it appeals better to both genders, since girls can actually be girls. Now if they only could change teh ethinicity of the character, then it would truly appeal to everyone.

Pokemon R/S/FR/LG isn't "everything new". What kind of gamer I am? I don't really know, but I sure as heck not the kind of gamer who looks at Pokemon as everything in gaming. Yeah, most people prefer seeing old games ported to newer consoles over and over with some better graphics, and extra unneeded features.

(sigh). Again with that forever demeaning rhetoric that will be the death of you in this debate. None of us looks at POkemon as the one and only game we play. I myself play four different card games, and in video games I play Final Fantasy, Dot Hack, Digimon, Star Fox, DragonBall Z, Mario, Yugioh, Duel Masters, and that's jsut what I remember off the top of my head. And your definition of unneeded seems particularly broad in terms of games. Tehcnically none of it is "needed", since it's just a game.But if it comes to having fun, then of course people want it. IN fact, most people are wanting Fire Red Leaf Green just because they remember how much fun red and blue used to be. So that also blows your comment about remakes out of the water. Remakes are good. Heck, Disney remakes their movies every twelve years, did you know that? You' don't see disney dying off.

Pokemon Colloseum didn't feature any new Pokemon, yet you said you liked it. Who's being the hypocrite here, pal?

It did featuer New pokemon, it featured Hoenn Pokemon. THe point of the games on the large system was to feature pokemon from teh newer game boy series on a big screen in 3d. And I don't recall seeing a Groudon or Kygore in Pokemon Stadium 2, do you?

Who else's opinion would I post then? Or do I have to stop posting my opinions just to please you? Ah, now I get it. I have to agree with everyone here and never stand for what I think is right, just like many sheep idiots out there. You know what they call someone who does that? A hypocrite.

Apparently no one taught you how to debate. In a debate, you don't state your opinion. you state facts. Stating your opinion as a fact doesn't count.
And if your entitled to state your position on the issue, then I'm entitled to argue it and state mine. Such is the way of the debate. If you don't like debating, then maybe you should just step out now and save yourself the frustration, because I can debate until the end of time.

 

[DarkTerror]

Blah blah blah

I can certainly see that reading comprehension isn't your strength. I said no one HERE, where I live, cares, yet you say people do care, and they want to battle me. Yeah, I can certainly see a lot of people asking me to battle everyday. Then you say professional gamers beat every game to the entirety. What if it was crappy game that the person is playing? I'm sure he'd waste his time playing it, just to beat it since he's a "professional gamer". No one plays Pokemon more than I realize. I can as well see for myself. When will you ever get it through your head?

So if people consider something "so good", it would never die? People thought the NES was so good at the time it was released, and I'm sure a lot of people are crying themselves every night because they don't have one. Scooby Doo's such a bad example of that. No one here likes the show, and the games suck just as bad. I see you're putting Pokemon right up there with the TV. I'm sure it's such a great invention. What if Nintendo died one of these days? What if no one cares about Pokemon anymore? What if they don't get money out of it anymore? Oh no, the idea of buying the theme park to make it something else other than Pokemon would never cross anybody's mind at the time.

You said that girls want to be girls or whatever, but it's just, afterall, a sprite change. Girls would cry themselves one after another if there wasn't a character selection you see. It sure prevents them from playing the game. I see no girls ever played Super Mario Bros. because it didn't have a girl character to play with. Too bad the Pokemon craze has slowed down a lot as soon as Pokemon Crystal has been released. Oddly enough, it was the first game that had character selection.

When I say Colloseum doesn't feature new Pokemon, I meant that it doesn't feature never-before seen Pokemon like Gold/Silver or Ruby/Sapphire. Have you got problems with reading and understanding too?

And about your debate thingie, you said that what you say has to be facts, or else it wouldn't count. You also said that "Only amteurs play it for a short run and then drop it play something else for an equally short period of time", which is, afterall, an opinion. Whoa, you blew it there. A debate where you only state facts my ***.

 

[Barry]

Well first, I agree that they will not stop making Pokemon games at this point because they make tons of money and stuff.

My second point is if Nintendo were dumb enough to drop Pokemon, don't you think other companies would pick up Pokemon and start maknig it (seeing as how it makes so much money)?

So see, if Nintendo quits (THEY WON'T), then another gaming company is bound to pick it up.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

I can certainly see that reading comprehension isn't your strength. I said no one HERE, where I live, cares, yet you say people do care, and they want to battle me. Yeah, I can certainly see a lot of people asking me to battle everyday. Then you say professional gamers beat every game to the entirety. What if it was crappy game that the person is playing? I'm sure he'd waste his time playing it, just to beat it since he's a "professional gamer". No one plays Pokemon more than I realize. I can as well see for myself. When will you ever get it through your head?

Now you're implying POkemon is a bad game, which it isn't and no good POkemon Fan should say otherwise. Do you even belong here? >8(

So if people consider something "so good", it would never die? People thought the NES was so good at the time it was released, and I'm sure a lot of people are crying themselves every night because they don't have one. Scooby Doo's such a bad example of that. No one here likes the show, and the games suck just as bad. I see you're putting Pokemon right up there with the TV. I'm sure it's such a great invention. What if Nintendo died one of these days? What if no one cares about Pokemon anymore? What if they don't get money out of it anymore? Oh no, the idea of buying the theme park to make it something else other than Pokemon would never cross anybody's mind at the time.

Quit with the sarcasm, it shows your stupidity. Nintendo will not die, because Nintendo is teh father of all modern game systems beyond Xbox. You don't know any of that is true, and you have no proof to show me otherwise. When I mentioned my town, I gave legitimate numbers and figures, as well as comparison to previous years. And how on earth woudl tehy turn something like a gyarados roller coaster and a Zigzagoon spinning cups and things like that into a new park? Do you realize how costly that will be? And people won't care what the rides look like, so if anything, they'll keep it the same if someone buys it. so they'll still have to pay POkemon Co. A fair amount of money, which should be jsut enough to produce on. Start debating properly, because it's no fun when the person you're debating against flaunts his ignorance.

You said that girls want to be girls or whatever, but it's just, afterall, a sprite change. Girls would cry themselves one after another if there wasn't a character selection you see. It sure prevents them from playing the game. I see no girls ever played Super Mario Bros. because it didn't have a girl character to play with. Too bad the Pokemon craze has slowed down a lot as soon as Pokemon Crystal has been released. Oddly enough, it was the first game that had character selection.

It slowed down because it was mor or less the same. The only changes were the sprite change, Eucene, teh slight movement of the sprites, and being able to catch Suicune easier. That doesn't exactly qualify as enough changes to make a whole new game about. And People do care about being able to pikc their sprite, because it gives them more control, and people like to Identify with the character. Why do you think at all these different conventions for anime's you see people coming in hand-made costumes of characters from said anime? People treat these characters as rolemodels, and if tehy can't be more like them, then make them more like you. That's the philosophy.

When I say Colloseum doesn't feature new Pokemon, I meant that it doesn't feature never-before seen Pokemon like Gold/Silver or Ruby/Sapphire. Have you got problems with reading and understanding too?

I think you have problems with the understanding of Colloseum's purpose. It wasn't to show any new pokemon. That would be going against the standard. It's to provide a 3d battling arena for pokemon that currently exist. And The story mode was simply a new concept they were trying out. Revealing New pokemon is reserved for the gameboy games only.

And about your debate thingie, you said that what you say has to be facts, or else it wouldn't count. You also said that "Only amteurs play it for a short run and then drop it play something else for an equally short period of time", which is, afterall, an opinion. Whoa, you blew it there. A debate where you only state facts my ***.

Your *** indeed. People who don't really like playing video games are the only ones I've seen who play it for a short while and then stop. But good players, who consider it a strike to their pride to NOT beat the game entirely, will play it through despite whether they like it or not.

You better watch your temper and your tounge, because you're not proving anything except how unreasonable you are. At least I back up my claims with accounst of what I've seen and heard.

 

[Taki]

Well first, I agree that they will not stop making Pokemon games at this point because they make tons of money and stuff.

My second point is if Nintendo were dumb enough to drop Pokemon, don't you think other companies would pick up Pokemon and start maknig it (seeing as how it makes so much money)?

So see, if Nintendo quits (THEY WON'T), then another gaming company is bound to pick it up.

Mmmm.Well, I don't think you're right, 'cos if Nintendo dropped Pokemon and as you say other companies pick it up, I don't think it will make much money anymore because
1. They won't have many ideas.
2. They might change the design and make it worst or more unconfortable for Pokemon old players
3. The Pokemon might be more but may lack of style, so people won't like them anymore
and 4. Some people might just not like another company doing pokemon or they might not like playing Pokemon on another console, like it happened with the computer game Counter Strike that if I'm not wrong went on Xbox instead of going on computer and some people started not to like it.


But overall I'll give you my opinion which is that I don't think that Nintendo will ever leave Pokemon. Maybe they will just run out of new ideas but, afterall, Pokemon has been a great attraction for adults and kids from lots of years now. There's even the manga!

 

[DarkTerror]

Now you're implying POkemon is a bad game, which it isn't and no good POkemon Fan should say otherwise. Do you even belong here? >8(

Quit with the sarcasm, it shows your stupidity. Nintendo will not die, because Nintendo is teh father of all modern game systems beyond Xbox. You don't know any of that is true, and you have no proof to show me otherwise. When I mentioned my town, I gave legitimate numbers and figures, as well as comparison to previous years. And how on earth woudl tehy turn something like a gyarados roller coaster and a Zigzagoon spinning cups and things like that into a new park? Do you realize how costly that will be? And people won't care what the rides look like, so if anything, they'll keep it the same if someone buys it. so they'll still have to pay POkemon Co. A fair amount of money, which should be jsut enough to produce on. Start debating properly, because it's no fun when the person you're debating against flaunts his ignorance.

It slowed down because it was mor or less the same. The only changes were the sprite change, Eucene, teh slight movement of the sprites, and being able to catch Suicune easier. That doesn't exactly qualify as enough changes to make a whole new game about. And People do care about being able to pikc their sprite, because it gives them more control, and people like to Identify with the character. Why do you think at all these different conventions for anime's you see people coming in hand-made costumes of characters from said anime? People treat these characters as rolemodels, and if tehy can't be more like them, then make them more like you. That's the philosophy.

I think you have problems with the understanding of Colloseum's purpose. It wasn't to show any new pokemon. That would be going against the standard. It's to provide a 3d battling arena for pokemon that currently exist. And The story mode was simply a new concept they were trying out. Revealing New pokemon is reserved for the gameboy games only.

Your *** indeed. People who don't really like playing video games are the only ones I've seen who play it for a short while and then stop. But good players, who consider it a strike to their pride to NOT beat the game entirely, will play it through despite whether they like it or not.

You better watch your temper and your tounge, because you're not proving anything except how unreasonable you are. At least I back up my claims with accounst of what I've seen and heard.

I never said that Pokemon was a bad game, I just stated an example. You seem to have a problem with that. You said that Pokemon Colloseum is so good, but yet you also said that what makes new Pokemon games good were the new Pokemon. If that so, then why is Pokemon Colloseum so good? Just because it's 3D doesn't make it any good. If having new pokemon was for GB games only, then why did you say there will be new Pokemon in the future? No "Game Boy" systems are planned to be released at the moment. There's the DS, and there's also the new home console, codenamed N5. I'm pretty sure it won't be called "GameBoy" when it's released.

Sarcasm represents stupidity, that's why all of the humorous people in the world are stupid. I see.

Appearantly I have to "watch my tounge" on the internet, though I'm not on a voice chat. While I could follow your advice and watch my "tounge", but this has nothing to do with my mind and finger tips. I don't care if I prove anything or not, 'cause all I do care about at the moment is just arguing because I'm bored. By arguing back, you're just being my free entertainment.

 

[parallelzero]

Appearantly I have to "watch my tounge" on the internet, though I'm not on a voice chat. While I could follow your advice and watch my "tounge", but this has nothing to do with my mind and finger tips. I don't care if I prove anything or not, 'cause all I do care about at the moment is just arguing because I'm bored. By arguing back, you're just being my free entertainment.

By arguing, you're ruining this topic, so I suggest you cut it out, NOW! XD
Anyways, I doubt they'll stop Pokemon, it's too popular. Colosseum is cool because they made a 3D RP, which is new to the Pokemon world, there was also a new land to explore and new enemies.

 

[Pogiforce-14]

I never said that Pokemon was a bad game, I just stated an example. You seem to have a problem with that. You said that Pokemon Colloseum is so good, but yet you also said that what makes new Pokemon games good were the new Pokemon. If that so, then why is Pokemon Colloseum so good? Just because it's 3D doesn't make it any good. If having new pokemon was for GB games only, then why did you say there will be new Pokemon in the future? No "Game Boy" systems are planned to be released at the moment. There's the DS, and there's also the new home console, codenamed N5. I'm pretty sure it won't be called "GameBoy" when it's released.

Let me repharse taht then. reserved for "NIntendo handhelds". and I not once said it was all about new pokemon. I said it was about the pokemon, but not about all new ones. I said it was pokemon and change, and that was what was important. And Colloseum is a big change from teh way they used to do it.

Sarcasm represents stupidity, that's why all of the humorous people in the world are stupid. I see.

in a debate it does, because it signifies the debater's lack of anything contructive to say. This is something I learned from my Government teacher. And my Government teacher has been tecahing for 35 years, and only .0002% percent of his students ever failed to make it through a governemnt College class, and that was because one killed his mom and the other killed his stepmom, so they both ended up in jail. He was so considerate to put it in numbers for us. So you can't deny what he says is true. He's been aroudn teh block, and he has more credibility than you. :\

Appearantly I have to "watch my tounge" on the internet, though I'm not on a voice chat. While I could follow your advice and watch my "tounge", but this has nothing to do with my mind and finger tips. I don't care if I prove anything or not, 'cause all I do care about at the moment is just arguing because I'm bored. By arguing back, you're just being my free entertainment.

Well Booly for you. And don't be retarded, you know what I meant. Sarcasm is revealing your ignorance again.

 

[Taki]

I never said that Pokemon was a bad game, I just stated an example. You seem to have a problem with that. You said that Pokemon Colloseum is so good, but yet you also said that what makes new Pokemon games good were the new Pokemon. If that so, then why is Pokemon Colloseum so good? Just because it's 3D doesn't make it any good.

Well, what makes Pokemon Colosseum so good is that it has a different storyline from all the other pokemon games and that you can actually see the size of the Pokemon and how they fight. It doesn't matter for now if there are new pokemon or not because Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire just came and so did the new pokemon.

Sarcasm represents stupidity, that's why all of the humorous people in the world are stupid. I see.

Am I right or are you saying that you are stupid? Because you are sarcastic and if you say that sarcasm represents stupidity that means you say that you are stupid yourself aren't you? :surprised

Appearantly I have to "watch my tounge" on the internet, though I'm not on a voice chat. While I could follow your advice and watch my "tounge", but this has nothing to do with my mind and finger tips. I don't care if I prove anything or not, 'cause all I do care about at the moment is just arguing because I'm bored. By arguing back, you're just being my free entertainment.

How sarcastic... If you don't know, what he meant was to stop writing bad words and to calm down because you're taking it too seriously...


Anyway, why are you even arguing about it? You should be a Pokemon fan, not an against-pokemon person... I don't even know if this forum is for you afterall...

 

[DarkTerror]

Let me repharse taht then. reserved for "NIntendo handhelds". and I not once said it was all about new pokemon. I said it was about the pokemon, but not about all new ones. I said it was pokemon and change, and that was what was important. And Colloseum is a big change from teh way they used to do it.

in a debate it does, because it signifies the debater's lack of anything contructive to say. This is something I learned from my Government teacher. And my Government teacher has been tecahing for 35 years, and only .0002% percent of his students ever failed to make it through a governemnt College class, and that was because one killed his mom and the other killed his stepmom, so they both ended up in jail. He was so considerate to put it in numbers for us. So you can't deny what he says is true. He's been aroudn teh block, and he has more credibility than you. :\


Well Booly for you. And don't be retarded, you know what I meant. Sarcasm is revealing your ignorance again.

The problem is, you still haven't proved that Pokemon will surely never die.

 

[parallelzero]

The problem is, you still haven't proved that Pokemon will surely never die.

Everything dies eventually, Pokemon wont go on forever. I dont think Pogi was implying that. You just wanted to make a big deal out of it.

 

[Porygon]

The problem is, you still haven't proved that Pokemon will surely never die.

Nobody can prove that Pok?mon will never die. It is one of those things that we will have to deal with if it comes.

Unless you can find someone who can look into the future.