President Obama's relationship with the LGBT community

Why can't I find that information or a similar story on any other site? I tried to find another one that's a bit clearer and somewhat more credible, and can only find things saying "The department has only been pretending to defend DOMA while it has been in fact actively sabotaging it,", and that he's actually delaying it until the troops are trained to deal with it. Considering the article you linked to is questionably biased, it's going to be hard for anyone to make an informed opinion based on that.

While I want Don't Ask Don't Tell gone (I have some gay and bi friends in the military), I can understand that the military would need retraining to deal with it. Not only to they have to be trained to deal with things like showering with gay men and women, but they also have to be trained out of making gay jokes and such. You can't just say "okay, be okay with gay people now", drop a bunch of gay people into the service (or have them all come out), and expect everything to be fine. Especially not in a system that regularly abuses gays.
 
Toujours said:
Why can't I find that information or a similar story on any other site? I tried to find another one that's a bit clearer and somewhat more credible, and can only find things saying "The department has only been pretending to defend DOMA while it has been in fact actively sabotaging it,", and that he's actually delaying it until the troops are trained to deal with it. Considering the article you linked to is questionably biased, it's going to be hard for anyone to make an informed opinion based on that.

While I want Don't Ask Don't Tell gone (I have some gay and bi friends in the military), I can understand that the military would need retraining to deal with it. Not only to they have to be trained to deal with things like showering with gay men and women, but they also have to be trained out of making gay jokes and such. You can't just say "okay, be okay with gay people now", drop a bunch of gay people into the service (or have them all come out), and expect everything to be fine. Especially not in a system that regularly abuses gays.
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Same here. The article has very little information past the accusation that the Obama administration is doing this.

Really, until a more credible source is found, the thread's title should be changed to something a lot more accurate.
 
Yeah, I can't find any other source...
 
The liberal media and the left-wing of the LGBT community have a biased political agenda, so you won't hear much about this.

Log Cabin has been suing the Obama Administration in court, so they know first-hand what's going on. The case is called Log Cabin Republicans v. United States.
 
Other news sources are starting the put it up. Google "Obama Don't Ask Don't Tell" and click on the News tab, you will see multiple articles about this.

He's not supporting it, he's saying he wants it to remain in place until the pentagon is ready to lift it which the Pentagon already stated would be at the end of the year.

His reasons are perfectly logical, and it will help stop any sort of trouble caused by the ban being lifted.

I'm gay, I don't see him wanted to prevent problems as betraying me.

FreakyLocz14 said:
The liberal media and the left-wing of the LGBT community have a biased political agenda, so you won't hear much about this.
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So do the conservative media and right-wing homophobic community, which is why they put it up so quickly, and which is why they worded it to sound bad.

Nearly ever news source is biased though, if not all.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
The liberal media and the left-wing of the LGBT community have a biased political agenda, so you won't hear much about this.

Log Cabin has been suing the Obama Administration in court, so they know first-hand what's going on. The case is called Log Cabin Republicans v. United States.
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Because they're involved, they can't be trusted to be unbiased. Of course they would tell their story in a way that would make them seem perfect and they people they're fighting against seem horrible and evil, but it's rarely that simple and I highly doubt it is in this case as well. Unfortunately, even googling the court case specifically and looking for other sources stating something more concrete and less obviously biased only seems to come up with other sites parroting the article from that website word for word.

And despite what you may think, the entirety of the internet isn't filled with liberals, so claiming that because no one can find any unbiased articles on the subject because they're being ignored by liberals is a fallacy. If you can come up with a few articles that back up the story that actually address both sides of the issue, it might be more up for discussion. As it is, there's not enough information in that article to even say anything about it.
 
Toujours said:


Because they're involved, they can't be trusted to be unbiased. Of course they would tell their story in a way that would make them seem perfect and they people they're fighting against seem horrible and evil, but it's rarely that simple and I highly doubt it is in this case as well. Unfortunately, even googling the court case specifically and looking for other sources stating something more concrete and less obviously biased only seems to come up with other sites parroting the article from that website word for word.

And despite what you may think, the entirety of the internet isn't filled with liberals, so claiming that because no one can find any unbiased articles on the subject because they're being ignored by liberals is a fallacy. If you can come up with a few articles that back up the story that actually address both sides of the issue, it might be more up for discussion. As it is, there's not enough information in that article to even say anything about it.
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Here are some more reports of Obama's attitude towards LGBT people. They talk about his past defense of DOMA in some rather nasty briefs.
https://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html
https://gay.americablog.com/2010/04/its-not-pedophilia-and-incest-but-obama.html

I find it funny that he stopped defending DOMA shortly officially kicked off his 2012 reelection campaign. I don't buy into his lies and hypocrisy.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
Here are some more reports of Obama's attitude towards LGBT people. They talk about his past defense of DOMA in some rather nasty briefs.
https://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html
https://gay.americablog.com/2010/04/its-not-pedophilia-and-incest-but-obama.html
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What planet are you from? For the 8 millionth time, Obama has stated repeatedly that he wanted DADT repealed legislatively, rather than judicially, so that the repeal on DADT cannot be overturned judicially. As for DOMA, same thing applies to it as does DADT.

Also,

The passage of the repeal act does not result in the immediate repeal of DADT. Under the terms of the new law, the President, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff must certify in writing that they have reviewed the Pentagon's report on the effects of DADT repeal, that the appropriate regulations have been reviewed and drafted and that implementation of repeal regulations "is consistent with the standards of military readiness, military effectiveness, unit cohesion, and recruiting and retention of the Armed Forces". Once certification is given, a 60-day waiting period will begin before DADT is formally repealed.[59]
Representative Duncan D. Hunter announced plans in January 2011 to introduce a bill designed to delay DADT repeal. Should his bill be adopted, all of the chiefs of the armed services would need to submit the certification currently required only of the President, Defense Secretary and Joint Chiefs Chairman.[60]
In January 2011, Pentagon officials stated that the training process to prepare troops for the repeal would begin in February and would proceed quickly, though it might not be completed in 2011.
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Duncan D. Hunter is a Republican, js.
 
Live_Wire466 said:



What planet are you from? For the 8 millionth time, Obama has stated repeatedly that he wanted DADT repealed legislatively, rather than judicially, so that the repeal on DADT cannot be overturned judicially. As for DOMA, same thing applies to it as does DADT.

Also,

Duncan D. Hunter is a Republican, js.
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Someone who has a good opinion of LGBT Americans doesn't liken same-sex marriage to incest and pedophilia (from the DOMA brief):

"The courts have followed this principle, moreover, in relation to the validity of marriages performed in other States. Both the First and Second Restatements of Conflict of Laws recognize that State courts may refuse to give effect to a marriage, or to certain incidents of a marriage, that contravene the forum State's policy. See Restatement (First) of Conflict of Laws § 134; Restatement (Second) of Conflict of Laws § 284.5 And the courts have widely held that certain marriages performed elsewhere need not be given effect, because they conflicted with the public policy of the forum. See, e.g., Catalano v. Catalano, 170 A.2d 726, 728-29 (Conn. 1961) (marriage of uncle to niece, "though valid in Italy under its laws, was not valid in Connecticut because it contravened the public policy of th[at] state"); Wilkins v. Zelichowski, 140 A.2d 65, 67-68 (N.J. 1958) (marriage of 16-year-old female held invalid in New Jersey, regardless of validity in Indiana where performed, in light of N.J. policy reflected in statute permitting adult female to secure annulment of her underage marriage); In re Mortenson's Estate, 316 P.2d 1106 (Ariz. 1957) (marriage of first cousins held invalid in Arizona, though lawfully performed in New Mexico, given Arizona policy reflected in statute declaring such marriages "prohibited and void")."

https://www.scribd.com/doc/16355867/Obamas-Motion-to-Dismiss-Marriage-case

And Hunter being a Republican is no worse than Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) being a Democrat and not voting to repeal DADT.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
Here are some more reports of Obama's attitude towards LGBT people. They talk about his past defense of DOMA in some rather nasty briefs.
https://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html
https://gay.americablog.com/2010/04/its-not-pedophilia-and-incest-but-obama.html

I find it funny that he stopped defending DOMA shortly officially kicked off his 2012 reelection campaign. I don't buy into his lies and hypocrisy.
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Oh, wow. You're starting to sound like Fox News. Usually I've been at the very least, if not more, respect the arguments you put forth. Now you are pushing forward double standards.

You're even trying to cite BLOGS. If anything ever qualifies as biased, it would be that.

And please, once again, change the title to something more appropriate. Right now its just an outright attack on Obama.
 
lx_theo said:
Oh, wow. You're starting to sound like Fox News. Usually I've been at the very least, if not more, respect the arguments you put forth. Now you are pushing forward double standards.

You're even trying to cite BLOGS. If anything ever qualifies as biased, it would be that.

And please, once again, change the title to something more appropriate. Right now its just an outright attack on Obama.
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Have a look at my post directly above yours. There's a link to the exact offensive, homophobic brief, that the Obama DOJ filed.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
Have a look at my post directly above yours. There's a link to the exact offensive, homophobic brief, that the Obama DOJ filed.
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Obama was in fact a public supporter of the Defense of Marriage Act in the past, which was when this was filed (6/11/09). However, his views have since changed and is now against it so that document is pointless to your argument.
 
Landorus said:
Obama was in fact a public supporter of the Defense of Marriage Act in the past, which was when this was filed (6/11/09). However, his views have since changed and is now against it so that document is pointless to your argument.
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His views conveniently changed after the new Congress convened and he launched his 2012 reelection campaign. Remember, he was against DOMA and DADT in 2008, but he was for them in 2009. This is simply him rallying his base. He'll throw the LGBT community under the bus again if he wins reelection.

Now back on the topic of DADT. Racial desegregation of the military was achieved by a direct order from the President (Executive Order 9981). Military personnel complied immediately due to the very disciplined chain of command. There was none of this waiting bull that the DADT repeal law is trying to pull. He has the power to end DADT with the stroke of a pen. If he truly is against DADT, then it seems like he's playing safe politics so that the Blue Dogs in the South don't defect to the GOP candidate.

Let's also not forget that DADT was a bill that had clear bipartisan in Congress support and was signed into law by the same Democratic President that also signed DOMA into law.
 
Please change the title. Its still just a blatant attack on Obama.
 
FreakyLocz14 said:
Someone who has a good opinion of LGBT Americans doesn't liken same-sex marriage to incest and pedophilia (from the DOMA brief)
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Whatever the technical definitions of incest and pedophilia might be this wording sounds like hyperbole to me. Uncles marrying nieces, 16-year olds marrying, and cousins marrying are not nearly as bad as the phrase "incest and pedophilia" makes them sound.

Anyway, I don't care if Obama hated gays before and loves everyone now. It's not really important as long as the right kinds of laws are passed and the wrong ones, like the so-called Defense Of Marriage Act, get revoked.
 
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