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    the connection between Baba Vanga's prediction that the start of WWIII will begin this month and the conflict in Korea has had me thinking about prophecy.

    what do you think of figures like Baba Vanga? can you explain their predictions, are they usually just vague claims that can only be applied to situations after they occur? or have you known some to be eerily accurate and believe people should heed these prophets' words?

    what do you make of Baba Vanga's prophecies, specifically? click here for more information on her

    here are a couple of her famous major predictions she made in the 80's:

    "Horror, horror! The American brethren will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush, and innocent blood will be gushing."
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    9/11

    "At the turn of the century, in August of 1999 or 2000, Kursk will be covered with water, and the whole world will be weeping over it."
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    the Kursk submarine disaster in Russia

    consider that she was a blind woman living in primitive conditions. i don't claim she's "legit," but i do ask you to keep an open mind.
     
    I was waiting long enough for it to be made! Yeah I read those prophecies and... they're scary. The part about the war this month scares me the most, because if that's true, by next year Europe... is gone? D: Right now I seriously hope they choose not to go to war this month and decide to do it next month or something (since I tend to believe in these types of things so...) Really, just thinking about the future, none of it really affects me except the age in seconds thing and the skin cancer part, but still, it is scary thinking that an entire continent could be gone by next year and that most of the future is due to a decision that happened a few days ago? Scaaaary. At least that's better than 2012. Kinda.

    The 9/11 thing doesn't sound too believable though, but it makes sense, so yeah. :x And still, achieving immortality in like 3000 years? That's kinda soon. D;

    But yeah, just saying it does sound believable, but idk if enough facts prove it's not, then I won't believe it. XD;
     
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    Eh, you just had to make one of these...

    Although I don't give them much credit, I still find so-called prophecies to be rather creepy.

    Then again, there are so many systems out there, so many mystics... I believe that most mysticism is dumb luck, and that people see what they want to see.


    ...right?
     
    Shanghai Alice said:
    Eh, you just had to make one of these...

    Although I don't give them much credit, I still find so-called prophecies to be rather creepy.

    Then again, there are so many systems out there, so many mystics... I believe that most mysticism is dumb luck, and that people see what they want to see.
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    yeah, i sure did. and it's fascinating to look into.

    but i agree with you, although that last line can apply to skeptics as well. you say most mysticism- do you mean to imply you wouldn't completely deny the notion of it, or that there's some mysticism that has you convinced?
     
    Well, it is always interested to read these and see what people say.

    I don't think they could actually see the future, but you know, at some point in American life, a plane will crash. It is a harsh reality, but it is true. They are just very open that a number of events could be linked to them.
     
    Here's another interesting one of hers:

    Vanga said:
    "I am too small for him to come to me, so I bring this news that I was conveyed from Above. Let it be disclosed in January, day 25, year 2005 and within a month let it be taken to the one I will refer herein. If he cannot be reached, give it to people around him. So help you God! To the joy of this world, the one promised to the world will come in Romania. The whole world will rejoice at his birth. God will protect him in a place faraway from the place where his ancients lay until his time comes. Power from above he shall have. The Earth, Water and Fire will help him. When he comes out in this world, everything that is lie will fall apart. This will happen in 2005. He will be the foundation brick for humankind. The first who will recognize him will be his people, that he was born in. As a reward, he will lead this people to the height of accomplishment in the entire world. This people will be a real example for all peoples on earth. He shall not ride a real horse, but an iron one that he will drive on his own."
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    As for her legitimacy, I'm not sure. She has been right in the past predicting some things. As for WW3 in 2010, well we have 5 weeks to see if that will come to pass or not. It's important to keep an open mind.
     
    I think such things are completely without merit, but people are free to believe what they will as long as it doesn't cause problems for others.
     
    While the specifically mentioned predictions are oddly pretty near exact, I still think that with any prophet, people will bend their ideas until they match a specific event, and things are stretched so much that nothing is really reliable. I'm not really one to put much faith in it, but I think it's an interesting thing to hear about.
     
    I've never heard of this particular prophet (or is it more accurate to call her a clairvoyant?).

    I suppose if you want to be generous and open-minded you could say that if she (or others like her) could and did see or otherwise gain knowledge of future events they might not be totally clear to them in a way similar to how people can't always remember their dreams clearly and that would account for some predictions being accurate while others not being so. From just skimming the wikipedia article my feeling is that she could possibly have had some kind of mental condition (it says she was at best semi-literate, so that could mean some kind of learning disability) which, combined with her blindness, caused her to perceive things differently than they would be by you or I and that she interpreted them as prophesies. Again, if you want to be generous you could say that because she saw things differently she didn't have the same preconceptions as other people and that she might have been using some kind of sixth sense to compensate for her lack of eyesight.

    I still think all the normal explanations for prophesies are more likely, i.e., they can be interpreted to mean a bunch of different things to the point that a vague prediction can cover a lot of possible event. Airplanes might be the obvious explanation of "steel birds" but couldn't missiles also work? And that's assuming they are genuine prophesies in the first place.
     
    Nostradamus also predicated 9/11 and WWIII if I recall correctly. With Baba Vagna also predicting them, I wonder if we will ever see another prophet like the two of them.

    I do believe that some people are legit when it comes to some predictions, but sometimes a lot of prophecies don't happen... or they just haven't happened yet.
     
    Zet said:
    Nostradamus also predicated 9/11 and WWIII if I recall correctly. With Baba Vagna also predicting them, I wonder if we will ever see another prophet like the two of them.

    I do believe that some people are legit when it comes to some predictions, but sometimes a lot of prophecies don't happen... or they just haven't happened yet.
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    When you say Nostradamus predicted 9/11, are you referring to this particular quatrain?

    "In the City of God there will be a great thunder, Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb",

    The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

    - Nostradamus 1654
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    This is the one that surfaced after 9/11, verbatim...
    But Nostradamus died in 1566. Whoops.

    (That's right: it was a hoax.)

    Anyways, about prophecy as a whole, and for anyone who is "scared" by them, let me assure you that none of them hold any credence whatsoever. Prophecies, much like horoscopes and supposed "mediums", work off of something called the Barnum Effect, which basically says that we, the people, want to be fooled. We take vague descriptions as concrete, and fit them to describe something that it really doesn't describe very well at all. Some Nostradamus buffs even go so far as to manipulate words to fit the event.

    In other words, prophecies do not predict events; we merely manipulate prophecies to fit the events. It's really as simple as that.

    Here's a prophecy, written by an old wiseass man:

    On the morning of late Thanks, great metal will roll along the hardened hills,
    Pluming smoke into the air.
    People will congregate, and the green valleys will become bare,
    Replaced by pointless crap.
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    Interpret that. ;)
     
    Richard Lynch said:
    When you say Nostradamus predicted 9/11, are you referring to this particular quatrain?



    This is the one that surfaced after 9/11, verbatim...
    But Nostradamus died in 1566. Whoops.

    (That's right: it was a hoax.)

    Anyways, about prophecy as a whole, and for anyone who is "scared" by them, let me assure you that none of them hold any credence whatsoever. Prophecies, much like horoscopes and supposed "mediums", work off of something called the Barnum Effect, which basically says that we, the people, want to be fooled. We take vague descriptions as concrete, and fit them to describe something that it really doesn't describe very well at all. Some Nostradamus buffs even go so far as to manipulate words to fit the event.

    In other words, prophecies do not predict events; we merely manipulate prophecies to fit the events. It's really as simple as that.
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    i whole-heartedly agree with you, although it's exciting to try believing :p

    the Kursk prediction i quoted from Vanga gets me though, seeing as it's like, really specific. sheer luck? maybe a manipulated quote.

    the notion of anything mystique is far-fetched, but i admit some things get me wondering.
     
    Richard Lynch said:
    When you say Nostradamus predicted 9/11, are you referring to this particular quatrain?



    This is the one that surfaced after 9/11, verbatim...
    But Nostradamus died in 1566. Whoops.

    (That's right: it was a hoax.)

    Anyways, about prophecy as a whole, and for anyone who is "scared" by them, let me assure you that none of them hold any credence whatsoever. Prophecies, much like horoscopes and supposed "mediums", work off of something called the Barnum Effect, which basically says that we, the people, want to be fooled. We take vague descriptions as concrete, and fit them to describe something that it really doesn't describe very well at all. Some Nostradamus buffs even go so far as to manipulate words to fit the event.

    In other words, prophecies do not predict events; we merely manipulate prophecies to fit the events. It's really as simple as that.

    Here's a prophecy, written by an old wiseass man:



    Interpret that. ;)
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    And Baba Vanga died in 1996.
     
    Well, I do believe in the fact that such prophets do exist. How true they are is left to be debated, and the bible itself does warn of false prophets.

    So naturally I take any and all prophecy with a grain of salt, regardless of who it comes from. I don't blame those who doubt the prophecies at all, nor do I look down upon those who believe in them...even to an extreme.

    Still, I cannot be swayed once I make a decision about a prophecy...and most of the prophecies pointing to 2012 I feel are pure speculation. I believe all the ruckus about messages from Ancient humans and such is just misinterpreting what they left behind.

    I really do believe that humankind will not ever be able to predict it's demise...mostly because we're vastly unpredictable. No one person can ever hope to factor in all of the varying factors influencing any person who might hold the 'Key' to Man's fate at any given point in time. This 'Key' moves from person to person based on many many things...and not even world leaders always have the 'Key'. It could be anyone in any position. All it takes is one horribly placed incident of drama, and the entire world could go up in a nuclear puff of dust within a week. Equally so, even if such a catastrophically placed incident were to occur...anyone could act to prevent the chaos from occurring.
     
    I think prophecy is rubbish. I think there will be war, but won't impact most of the populaton of the world. Well, i've still got time to pack my bags and move to africa.
     
    Zet said:
    And Baba Vanga died in 1996.
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    So? The date given after Nostradamus' name is the date it was (supposedly) written. Someone just didn't do their research when they decided to float it around the net.
     
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