Rate this FireRed version team

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Alter Ego said:
Yes he does:



These are base statlines which determine how good the stats of a pokémon can become. Now unless you're as clueless about mathematics as you are about pokémon you will see that Dodrio trumps Pidgeot on the two stats that are most important for both: Speed and Attack. Dodrio also has a better movepool because of Drill Peck (Which he also pointed out. <.<)


Lol, only if you're a loser who is incapable of maxing out a pokémon's happiness (Which handily contradicts your earlier statement). Return is special because it's the strongest non-drawback normal move around. Technically Frustration can get equally strong, but to do that you'd have to keep your pokémon miserable by making it lose battles or feeding it bitter medicine and for any good player that is just pointless effort compared to the free benefit of happiness (Gained from leveling up and winning important battles among other things). Frustration is for those who fail, Return for those who don't.


There is so much wrong in what you just said. Actually, nearly all evolved forms in the three first generations are better than their earlier forms, and as a rule final forms tend to be the best. Trapinch trumps Vibrava in usefulness because of 'Arena Trap' and its higher Attack stat, but both are still trumped by Flygon. I suppose you can debate Scyther and Scizor, but even that is kind of lol, like your arguments. You accuse Shane of not having evidence (Even though he does) and at the same time you make wild (and utterly incorrect) knowledge claims about things you obviously don't understand. Not to mention that you do it with trozei smilies and crappy grammar. Really, haven't you made enough of a fool of yourself already? Just pack it in.
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Pidgeot is better in my OPINOIN.Anyways, I have to admit that I don't have a Dodrio, I only have a few Doduo.:laugh:
 
Evolve it then so you won't wine anymore. <DUH DUH/>
 
Char-char said:
Pidgeot is better in my OPINOIN.Anyways, I have to admit that I don't have a Dodrio, I only have a few Doduo.:laugh:
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Well, you are always entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't change the FACT that Dodrio IS better than Pidgeot.
 
Char-char said:
Pidgeot lv.43
Quick Attack
Whirlwind
Wing Attack
Featherdance
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And that quote above supports the fact that you should keep that kind of opinion to yourself.

Good day sir.
 
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DON'T double post, Char-char.

It's true though, Dodrio is way better than Pidgeot.
But if you want to use Pidgeot, that's fine.

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Char-char said:
I don't like Dodrio so I wouldn't want to evolve it DUH
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That's like saying "I want to keep using Magikarp because I don't like Gyarados DUH".

I'd absolutely love to battle you using Dodrio (or even Fearow) against your Pidgeot. It'd be hilarious.
 
Char-char said:
Is this a good team?

fixes in bold

Rayquaza lv.70 :t384:
crunch
icebeam
dragon dance
dragon claw

just caught it i can tell.


Groudon lv.72:t383:
body slam/rest
Fire Blast
earthquake
Solarbeam
pretty good,groudon needs to know rest because it doesnt have a good defence.
Swampert lv.48:t260:
rock slide/rest
Surf
ice beam
earthquake
my swampert knows those moves,look at my team we have similer pokemon,as for you pokemon,too many HMs same problem min hade=)


Kyogre lv.71:t382:
water spout
Rest
ice beam/blizzard
thunder
good.but dont keep sheer cold its a waste of time.
Pidgeot lv.43:t018:
Quick Attack
Whirlwind
Wing Attack
Featherdance

Mew lv10
i dont know....its up to you[/B]

Can you also rate this Emerald version team?

Charizard lv.99
Flamethrower
wing attack
dragon claw
swords dance

Mew lv.14
Pound
Transform


Pikachu lv.25
thunder bolt
body slam
rest
light screen

Crobat lv.50
Poison Fang
wing attack
bite
im not sure about the last one...

[PokeCommunity.com] Rate this FireRed version team
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um well not in a mean way,your team is bad,but moveset wise,groudon?cut?no,whats up with the mews?and charizard?too many fire moves.
 
Ummmm, can you guys stop nagging Char-char? If he wants to keep Pidgeot on his team, its fine, its his decision, guys. Just rate the goddamn team.
 
really i mean my friend has a lv80 pidgeot and it creamed a dodrio its same lv in the battle dome in emerald
 
gold typhlosion said:
um well not in a mean way,your team is bad,but moveset wise,groudon?cut?no,whats up with the mews?and charizard?too many fire moves.
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gold typhlosion, PLEASE stop rating teams. You don't give Dragon Dance to Rayquaza when the other three moves are special. Solarbeam is noobish on Groudon. Don't give Swords Dance to Charizard when it only has one physical move. Pikachu with Rest is lol. I could go on. Please learn more about the game (as well as from suggestions on your own team) before rating others.

uberness said:
Ummmm, can you guys stop nagging Char-char? If he wants to keep Pidgeot on his team, its fine, its his decision, guys. Just rate the goddamn team.
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If you would have read the whole thread, Char-char was trying to justify that Pidgeot was stronger than Dodrio, which it isn't.

gold typhlosion said:
really i mean my friend has a lv80 pidgeot and it creamed a dodrio its same lv in the battle dome in emerald
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Once again, you are talking about apples and oranges. In-game, ALL Pokes are weak due to the crappy AI not giving them good movesets or proper EV training. That doesn't change the FACT that Dodrio is stronger. Again, please read the entire thread before commenting.
 
gold typhlosion said:
um well not in a mean way,your team is bad,but moveset wise,groudon?cut?no,whats up with the mews?and charizard?too many fire moves.
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I just cought Groudon and it was like that when it was caught, but I do see your point.I just got the mews and they started out that way, if you think its to much mews then I'm already giving one to my cousin.Ya, I guess my Charizard has to many fire moves,but I just really like my charizard that way, its kind of like how I refuse to use a dodrio and will just use pidgeot even though its not my best pokemon!:laugh: :10: :t005: :t006: :laugh:
 
Wow! A lot sure happened in this thread since I was gone.

Its looks like people should listen to people who are pretty decent (some very experienced) players in this thread (I'm referring to Dingbat, aragornbird, shanecdavis, Lugialord, and some others out there including me) about the true facts. Dodrio takes the cake, Pidgeot doesn't, now stop WHINNING!
 
Um, I looked in my Pokemon book and It said Pidgeot has better HP and Special Defense than Dodrio. All I think that matters is HP. Pidgeot is more well rounded. Look in the book Pokemon How To Catch 'Em All.

"Semper Fi" (hand raises to head in salute.)
 
lt.bob said:
Um, I looked in my Pokemon book and It said Pidgeot has better HP and Special Defense than Dodrio. All I think that matters is HP. Pidgeot is more well rounded. Look in the book Pokemon How To Catch 'Em All.

"Semper Fi" (hand raises to head in salute.)
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Errr, no. It really matters about defeating the pokemon and over and done with. Dodrio's speed and attack power higher (correct me if i'm wrong). So... I agree Dodrio is better. End of story.
 
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Yeah, it's true... Pidgeot DOES have higher HP and SDef than Dodrio, according to their base statlines. But here's the fact: Pidgeot has no Special Resistances anyway (besides a few grass and bug moves). So that higher SDef (which is not really that HIGH to begin with) is pretty much useless. And even if Pidgeot's HP is higher (which is, once again, not really that high to begin with) its popularly used weaknesses (Ice, Rock, Electric) will easily knock it out. Bird Pokemon are more effective as Physical Sweepers, requiring high Atk and high Spd -- both of which Dodrio has better of.

There is no argument. Dodrio is better than Pidgeot when it comes to efficiency. BUT it doesn't mean that Pidgeot isn't a good Pokemon itself. It is sad that Pidgeot's most powerful naturally-learned move is Wing Attack with 60AP. Dodrio's best is Drill Peck with 80AP. (My personal favorite for Dodrio is Tri-Attack which also has 80AP.)

So, I guess all Pidgeot needs is a differently styled moveset. Possibly give it an Annoyer role with the following moveset.

Pidgeot @ Brightpowder
Jolly Nature
Toxic
Double Team
Fly
Featherdance/Protect

(At least that's how MY annoyer Pidgeot would look like if I had one. Featherdance is a commendable move, in my opinion. It would give Pidgeot better staying ability against RS users. This Pokemon's only problems would be ThunderDancers, HailBlizzers, LockZappers, Shockwavers, and ALL steel-types. That's a giant "OUCH" in my book.)

I'm probably not helping at all in any way. Ignore me. I haven't used a Pidgeot since my RBY days. ;_;
 
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LOL It looks as though Char-Char is recruiting friends to try to plead their case. As Tail Glow stated, and which I have already stated, there are only two stats that matter when it comes to Normal/Flying-types like Pidgeot and Dodrio. That is Atk and Spd. Normal/Flying-types need to attack first and attack hard because they will not last long. Even with Pidgeot's marginally better defenses and better HP, it still goes down to Ice Beam, Rock Slide, and Thunderbolt just as easily as Dodrio does.

Once again, not only are Dodrio's Spd and Atk higher than Pidgeot's, but it also learns a more powerful move in Drill Peck that Pidgeot can't. As an example of the difference, a Lv100 Dodrio and Lv100 Pidgeot with Adamant Nature and 252 EV points in Atk and holding Choice Band are both attacking a Lv100 Steelix with +Def nature and 252 EV points in HP and Def. A Pidgeot with Aerial Ace will do max damage of 31 points. A Dodrio with Drill Peck will do max damage of 50 points. Now, to those not familiar with the game might think that isn't a big difference, but when you consider that you are attacking a Steel/Rock-type, that 19 points is HUGE.

Let's use a better example. Instead of Steelix, lets use a Lv100 Snorlax with the same nature and stats. Snorlax can be quite formidable, especially once it gets a Curse under its belt. Okay, let's compare again. Pidgeot with AA will do max damage of 131. Not bad. Well, until we attack with a Dodrio. That Dodrio with Drill Peck will do max damage of 214. Even after Snorlax uses Curse once, DP will still do max damage of 144, which is still higher than Pidgeot's damage without Curse.

To drive the point home, let's compare attacks on a Lv100 Venusaur that doesn't have a +Def nature or EVs in Def or HP. Typical in-game Poke. A Pidgeot with AA does max damage of 219, that will not KO Venusaur. Dodrio with DP though, will do max damage of 355 and yes, that will KO Venusaur. That is a 134 point diffrerence.

You contend that Pidgeot's higher defenses and HP make it better? Let's try this one out. Both birds are going up against a Lv100 Charizard with the same item, nature, and Evs that they do (Choice Band, Adamant nature, and max Evs in Atk and Spd, if you have forgotten). The attack on Dodrio will do max damage of 319. Ouch. Nite, nite Dodrio. Your Pidgeot with the better defenses and HP? Charizard's Rock Slide does max damage of 302. Yes, those "better" stats save Pidgeot SEVENTEEN whopping points of damage. The bigger difference here is that while Pidgeot's base Spd tops at 91, meaning it will always attack second when facing a Charizard, Dodrio's base Spd is 100, the same as Charizard, meaning it has a 50% chance of attacking first. Not only that, but if Dodrio does attack first it will do max damage of 279 points, seriously messing up Charizard's day, Ko'ing it if it has a -Def nature.

So, if you still cannot see the FACTS laid before you then I will just say good day to you.
 
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