Remakes that aren't so much remakes?

[zidiane]

Hey, just messing with my LeafGreen right now, and wondered if that will be the end for the Kanto region. I don't think they'd make another remake of the game... but, what I thought, they could reimagine the region and the story. I'm not saying redesign everything, but have a Kanto from 10, 20, even 30 years in the future. Different Gym Leaders for the most part, some new Elite Four (Possibly kid from Gold or Red as the fourth member instead of Lance), maybe Gary gives you your starter pokemon because he took over when Oak dies, new towns could be built, an actual story inserted somewhere, Pallet Town could become a tourist attraction because of how famous Red got, Pokemon from the other regions migrate or have a population because of breeders who bring them over, you can access Johto from there (No need for Kanto by itself, then Johto and Kanto).

I really like the new gen games, with brand new stuff, but I'll always have a soft spot for Kanto, and this is just an idea I had for the after (Yes, the after).

 

[bwburke94]

A couple comments:

1. Don't call him Gary, a lot of the people here would flame you for that.
2. We already got a sequel. It's called Johto.
3. Pallet Town's already a tourist attraction from the looks of it.

 

[The 100 Mega Shock]

That'd be a pretty cool way to give Kanto a fresh new coat of paint, although I'd be a bit surprised if they'd do it after Black and White were near-reboots of the game series.

1. Don't call him Gary, a lot of the people here would flame you for that.

Who honestly cares?

2. We already got a sequel. It's called Johto.

There's never been a rule against multiple sequels, especially when Gold and Silver's Kanto was so cut down from what it could've been.

 

[mikey]

No No No. I am so sick of Kanto. We have enough Kanto. We have R/B/Y, G/S/C, HG/SS, thats enough.

 

[zidiane]

That'd be a pretty cool way to give Kanto a fresh new coat of paint, although I'd be a bit surprised if they'd do it after Black and White were near-reboots of the game series.



Who honestly cares?



There's never been a rule against multiple sequels, especially when Gold and Silver's Kanto was so cut down from what it could've been.

You understand. You really do.

And I wasn't talking about having this game be the next thing that comes out or whatever, I meant like, after they're down another two or three Gens (If Pokemon doesn't die by then (Not that I'm expecting it to)), If they wanted a new game for the new system with old pokemon (That might not be available due to the same issues with RBYGSC and the advanced Gen, and so forth), They could recreate the old regions without making us go through the same motions, fighting your same rival, the same Brock, the same Misty, Lt. Surge, Erika, and so on. Same place, different people, plot, pokes, and experience.

 

[mikey]

I know what your saying, and yes that would be awesome, but it wont happen. The games have been following the same pattern forever, its not gona change.

 

[Oryx]

No No No. I am so sick of Kanto. We have enough Kanto. We have R/B/Y, G/S/C, HG/SS, thats enough.

I agree with this. Not saying it would never happen, but I would never root for it to happen because I'm sick of it. I'd rather they put extra effort into a new region with everything unique and different instead of the same region that they came up with to begin with. I'm not a big nostalgia freak though, despite playing since the beginning, so I guess my opinion would be different from those that have a nostalgic love for Kanto.

 

[Eagledelt]

People always with the idea of remaking Kanto... HOENN my friends, HOENN =]

 

[blue]

Hoenn hasn't been remade one yet Kanto has had four appearences...

 

[zidiane]

We would all love them to come up with new, unique, interesting, and awesome things every game. But, coming up with new things is hard (Hence the remakes in the first place), All I'm saying is that if they can't come up with anything, so they want to remake the games again from the start, I'd like it if they remade them like this instead of just advancing the graphics, and adding a few moves.

 

[KoolKat vs. Lucas]

Hoenn hasn't been remade one yet Kanto has had four appearences...

I'm with you. I sold my GBA on Ebay and I have a DSiXL so i have no compatibility with Sapphire anymore. I'm still waiting. But, I could do with a nostalgic-feeling Kanto remake but only if they made it with GBC colors and Gen 5 overworld and Battle. In otherwords, a tri-color overworlds, 5 color battle but with every special (3-D Effects and such) from B/W/(G?) Wouldn't that be EPIC?

 

[zidiane]

Oh yeah, I forgot to say something. I use Kanto references when I reference anything because I'm most familiar with that region, But I'm not saying if they want to use regions a third time (Preferably on their second time for better experiences) they have to re-use Kanto for the first (Or any) game. They could start out in Hoenn, ending with you taking a boat out to a brand new land (Like Johto with Kanto, but not having the lands be directly connected). This whole thing is just my suggestion for having remakes that aren't so much remakes, just reusing the region.

I'm with you. I sold my GBA on Ebay and I have a DSiXL so i have no compatibility with Sapphire anymore. I'm still waiting. But, I could do with a nostalgic-feeling Kanto remake but only if they made it with GBC colors and Gen 5 overworld and Battle. In otherwords, a tri-color overworlds, 5 color battle but with every special (3-D Effects and such) from B/W/(G?) Wouldn't that be EPIC?

No. No it wouldn't. That's a really, really, really bad idea. IMHTGO.

 

[Oryx]

I don't think there will ever be a point where they stopped coming up with new ideas, that would be the point that they would get a new development team. As we can see with even the hacks section here on PC, there are plenty of people with plenty of ideas and my guess is that they'd run out of interest in the series far before they'd run out of things to make games based on.

I'm also not sure that they made the remakes because they're running out of ideas. The reasoning I've always heard is they're there so you can get all of the Pokemon in one game through various transfers. There's also the matter of it being just cheaper to not have to make a new storyline and such I'm assuming, which wouldn't really transfer over to a game where they used the same region but changed everything about it.

 

[blue]

It's just taking a remake of a remake, what's the point?

 

[Perriechu]

I actually wouldn't mind a Kanto remake. I mean, who wouldn't want to see Kanto in the graphics we have now? The Johto remakes didn't showcase Kanto as well as a remake specifically for Kanto could. I'm not saying 'hurr hurr remake it rn' because I want to see the Hoenn remakes confirmed before another pointless Spin-off comes out. I would like to see it maybe a couple of years, as the last Kanto game, though. :3c

 

[zidiane]

It's just taking a remake of a remake, what's the point?

Money, dear boy... Money.

I don't think there will ever be a point where they stopped coming up with new ideas, that would be the point that they would get a new development team. As we can see with even the hacks section here on PC, there are plenty of people with plenty of ideas and my guess is that they'd run out of interest in the series far before they'd run out of things to make games based on.

I'm also not sure that they made the remakes because they're running out of ideas. The reasoning I've always heard is they're there so you can get all of the Pokemon in one game through various transfers. There's also the matter of it being just cheaper to not have to make a new storyline and such I'm assuming, which wouldn't really transfer over to a game where they used the same region but changed everything about it.

Ideas aren't the problem, you can find those anywhere. They need 100-150 new pokemon with every game. Why do you think there are more spin-offs than main titles?

 

[Oryx]

Ideas aren't the problem, you can find those anywhere. They need 100-150 new pokemon with every game. Why do you think there are more spin-offs than main titles?

Sugimori has been quoted as saying that they won't run out of ideas for new Pokemon. (Source).

There are more spin-offs because multiple companies develop them so they can do them at once without taking away from the quality of them. Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, Rumble Blast, and Trozei were all made by different companies.

 

[zidiane]

Sugimori has been quoted as saying that they won't run out of ideas for new Pokemon.

There are more spin-offs because multiple companies develop them so they can do them at once without taking away from the quality of them. Mystery Dungeon, Ranger, Rumble Blast, and Trozei were all made by different companies.

Well, if I made Pokemon and we were running out of Pokemon, I wouldn't tell anybody. And if asked, I'd lie and stall untill we had more. Because otherwise, people see what you do for new stuff as desperate. And I wasn't saying they're out of ideas, just that popping out 150 new pokemon every other year isn't easy, and would be even harder if both remakes so far were brand new games instead.

It doesn't matter that they didn't make the game directly, it isn't uncommon for a company to outsource for it's games. So... it doesn't matter which company made the games, because they can't just decide they want to make a pokemon game. Game Freak needs to be completly involved.

 

[Oryx]

Well, if I made Pokemon and we were running out of Pokemon, I wouldn't tell anybody. And if asked, I'd lie and stall untill we had more. Because otherwise, people see what you do for new stuff as desperate. And I wasn't saying they're out of ideas, just that popping out 150 new pokemon every other year isn't easy, and would be even harder if both remakes so far were brand new games instead.

It doesn't matter that they didn't make the game directly, it isn't uncommon for a company to outsource for it's games. So... it doesn't matter which company made the games, because they can't just decide they want to make a pokemon game. Game Freak needs to be completly involved.

If it's developed by another company, Game Freak isn't as involved than if they were developing it themselves. Otherwise, they might as well just put their name on it. The point is that more spin-offs come out because Game Freak doesn't have to work as hard on them, it has nothing to with them running out of ideas. Besides, spin-offs have been created since the first generation. Do you really think they were out of ideas in 1998? Edit: I just did the numbers and there were more spin-offs than main games during the second generation.

And why would you assume they're lying? The only basis you have for that is your own random assumptions about the game and your wish for more Kanto. It's not unreasonable to trust Sugimori over random PC user #345 when it comes to their opinion on Pokemon, in fact it's logical. Besides, think of it this way - I can think up 10-15 Pokemon ideas in 24 hours off the top of my head. Most fans can. Considering people are hired in job environments, it's only reasonable to assume that if someone hired to make up Pokemon had no more ideas for Pokemon, another person would be hired to make up Pokemon.

Your ideas about how the franchise is going are all based around the assumption that "they're running out of ideas" is true. You can't prove they're running out of ideas if you've already assumed that they are, that's begging the question. I've shown you that there are plenty of other reasons why they would do what you seem to think proves it.

Anyway I think a third game in the same region is unrealistic if only because their release schedule is pretty strenuous as it is and it won't get less so. Next gen, remake of two generations ago, next gen, remake, next gen, remake. It's not like they'll run out of things to remake since they're doing one per generation.

 

[sherreamethyst]

As much as I love Kanto, I agree with most people that a remake would just be tiring. It's already been remade 4 times! I think if any game should be remade it should be Hoenn. Hoenn, imo, is a little boring and I found it too easy to get the first 3 badges(replayed the game a month ago and got first 3 badges in about 4 hours). But once you get to Flannery I found it her a little difficult. Anyways, I think they should remake Hoenn rather than Kanto again for the 5th time.