Remakes that aren't so much remakes?

Toujours said:


If it's developed by another company, Game Freak isn't as involved than if they were developing it themselves. Otherwise, they might as well just put their name on it. The point is that more spin-offs come out because Game Freak doesn't have to work as hard on them, it has nothing to with them running out of ideas. Besides, spin-offs have been created since the first generation. Do you really think they were out of ideas in 1998? Edit: I just did the numbers and there were more spin-offs than main games during the second generation.

And why would you assume they're lying? The only basis you have for that is your own random assumptions about the game and your wish for more Kanto. It's not unreasonable to trust Sugimori over random PC user #345 when it comes to their opinion on Pokemon, in fact it's logical. Besides, think of it this way - I can think up 10-15 Pokemon ideas in 24 hours off the top of my head. Most fans can. Considering people are hired in job environments, it's only reasonable to assume that if someone hired to make up Pokemon had no more ideas for Pokemon, another person would be hired to make up Pokemon.

Your ideas about how the franchise is going are all based around the assumption that "they're running out of ideas" is true. You can't prove they're running out of ideas if you've already assumed that they are, that's begging the question. I've shown you that there are plenty of other reasons why they would do what you seem to think proves it.

Anyway I think a third game in the same region is unrealistic if only because their release schedule is pretty strenuous as it is and it won't get less so. Next gen, remake of two generations ago, next gen, remake, next gen, remake. It's not like they'll run out of things to remake since they're doing one per generation.
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I was writing off of a device that only allowed me so much space per post, including the whole quote of you. I had to say as much as possible with as little words as I could. I have more space now. So... on with the show.

Game Freak has to be directly involved in the creation of the game. Not developing it, but saying "We want this game made." The only two reasons to make a spin-off game are 1: making as much money as possible without presenting anything new, and 2: occupying their fans time while they try to come up with something substantial. That is the main reason they put out two copy's of the same game, and then a third, all with only subtle differences to story and game-play. If it was really all that easy to come up with main titles, then they would only need one game a generation, with all of the Pokemon available in-game. That's the reason for the Dream World, Wi-Fi and Real Life events, and such. Anything to make you occupied with the same exact game for longer. Spin-offs, mainly the fact that there are so many of them, imply that Game Freak wants you to be distracted from wanting more from their main games.

I'm not saying dude was lying (a result of my limited type space). All I said was that if I had a company with so many fans, and we WERE in trouble, I wouldn't do/say anything to suggest we were in trouble. It would make more people less interested in the product, that's just human psychology. No one wants to be on a sinking ship. And, let me say this again, I am not suggesting they're in trouble, just that if they were in trouble, they wouldn't announce it and we wouldn't know until the company was a step away from shutting down.

Most fans of anything can make things. Megaman fans make Robot Masters all the time, for example. But, they can't just make random Pokemon and throw them in the game. Neither of us have been in the development process of new Pokemon, so we can't say, but I'm pretty sure there is a lot more that goes into making a Pokemon than what we do. All the pokemon have to be a sure thing. They have to test their guys, make sure they'll be liked by children, make sure none of them are offensive (Jynx). That's one of the reasons all the pokemon are kinda the same. All the Pikachu clones, the early bird pokemon, the early bug pokemon, all the legendary pokemon who are pretty much just palette swaps of each other (the dogs, the birds, the regis, the lake pokemon, the cloud gods), the small pokemon they make every game (mew, celebi, jirachi, victini, the other one). They try not to change the formula because making brand new stuff is hard. So, I'm sure out of your 15 pokemon a day, you'd have a shiny's chance of getting one approved.

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So, if the system after the 3ds comes out, you don't think there's a chance of them wanting to get us back to Kanto/Johto? Because at that point, those Gens will be, like, 8-10 years old. We haven't had enough time to say that they won't remake something a third time. We've only just had our second remade region.
 
zidiane said:
I was writing off of a device that only allowed me so much space per post, including the whole quote of you. I had to say as much as possible with as little words as I could. I have more space now. So... on with the show.

Game Freak has to be directly involved in the creation of the game. Not developing it, but saying "We want this game made." The only two reasons to make a spin-off game are 1: making as much money as possible without presenting anything new, and 2: occupying their fans time while they try to come up with something substantial. That is the main reason they put out two copy's of the same game, and then a third, all with only subtle differences to story and game-play. If it was really all that easy to come up with main titles, then they would only need one game a generation, with all of the Pokemon available in-game. That's the reason for the Dream World, Wi-Fi and Real Life events, and such. Anything to make you occupied with the same exact game for longer. Spin-offs, mainly the fact that there are so many of them, imply that Game Freak wants you to be distracted from wanting more from their main games.
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Wanting to spread out one game doesn't necessarily imply they're out of ideas, just that it's more money with less work. Which wouldn't apply in Kanto outside of the Pokemon if they made a region far in the future since they'd have to redesign everything anyway.

I'm not saying dude was lying (a result of my limited type space). All I said was that if I had a company with so many fans, and we WERE in trouble, I wouldn't do/say anything to suggest we were in trouble. It would make more people less interested in the product, that's just human psychology. No one wants to be on a sinking ship. And, let me say this again, I am not suggesting they're in trouble, just that if they were in trouble, they wouldn't announce it and we wouldn't know until the company was a step away from shutting down.

Most fans of anything can make things. Megaman fans make Robot Masters all the time, for example. But, they can't just make random Pokemon and throw them in the game. Neither of us have been in the development process of new Pokemon, so we can't say, but I'm pretty sure there is a lot more that goes into making a Pokemon than what we do. All the pokemon have to be a sure thing. They have to test their guys, make sure they'll be liked by children, make sure none of them are offensive (Jynx). That's one of the reasons all the pokemon are kinda the same. All the Pikachu clones, the early bird pokemon, the early bug pokemon, all the legendary pokemon who are pretty much just palette swaps of each other (the dogs, the birds, the regis, the lake pokemon, the cloud gods), the small pokemon they make every game (mew, celebi, jirachi, victini, the other one). They try not to change the formula because making brand new stuff is hard. So, I'm sure out of your 15 pokemon a day, you'd have a shiny's chance of getting one approved.
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You're right. We can't say. So neither of us can use whether they're running out of Pokemon as an argument for either side because we can't say whether or not they actually are.

Refer back to the third block of text.

So, if the system after the 3ds comes out, you don't think there's a chance of them wanting to get us back to Kanto/Johto? Because at that point, those Gens will be, like, 8-10 years old. We haven't had enough time to say that they won't remake something a third time. We've only just had our second remade region.
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I don't think so, because of their schedule, like I said. Say Gen 7 was on the 4DSiXL or whatever new system they have out. Then people would be ready for the Gen 5 remake because they'd all be tired of the regular DS graphics of Black and White and want the reboot into new graphics and such. They don't have a break, they're rushing games as it is to get them in the timeline they have, let alone time to stop making new regions and remaking the ones that don't have remakes to make a 5th Kanto or a 3rd Johto.
 
If they make another sequel, Leaf better get recognition this time. Red was only the Indigo Plateu champion if he was who you played. Just sayin'.

Anyway, I would actually like to see another game take place in the future of an old one. I thought that G/S/C taking place a few years after R/B/Y was neat. When Ruby went back to square one and pretended that nothing happened beforehand, I didn't enjoy it anywhere near as much.

Oak dying might be a bit much, though. He could just be retired or something.
 
Wow, that was a massive mess that came from even mentioning the words "Kanto" and "remake".

The original idea was hardly even a remake - it was more like a greatly expanded sequel that happens to be set in Kanto. Do we really need so much backlash against even the fleeting concept of a "kanto remake"?

Hell this is probably "Gen VI / VII" material considering the amount of work involved. Other RPG series can revisit old lands in new game, y'know.
 
Toujours said:


Wanting to spread out one game doesn't necessarily imply they're out of ideas, just that it's more money with less work. Which wouldn't apply in Kanto outside of the Pokemon if they made a region far in the future since they'd have to redesign everything anyway.



You're right. We can't say. So neither of us can use whether they're running out of Pokemon as an argument for either side because we can't say whether or not they actually are.



I don't think so, because of their schedule, like I said. Say Gen 7 was on the 4DSiXL or whatever new system they have out. Then people would be ready for the Gen 5 remake because they'd all be tired of the regular DS graphics of Black and White and want the reboot into new graphics and such. They don't have a break, they're rushing games as it is to get them in the timeline they have, let alone time to stop making new regions and remaking the ones that don't have remakes to make a 5th Kanto or a 3rd Johto.
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Wow... You are just highly intolerant to anything I could possibly have to say, aren't you?

Envy and Mega Shock, you guys get me. Maybe not on the mess, but on the idea.
 
zidiane said:
Wow... You are just highly intolerant to anything I could possibly have to say, aren't you?

Envy and Mega Shock, you guys get me. Maybe not on the mess, but on the idea.
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I just don't agree with you. We're all welcome to our own opinions.
 
Well theres money but would it sell good? there's other games they could create which potentially could create a much larger income, like I say a remake of a remake is pointless.
 
Toujours said:


I just don't agree with you. We're all welcome to our own opinions.
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My point exactly. It's just a different point of perspective, I guess. When I discuss, I try to see the other's point of view. You just completely deny anything you don't agree with.

Suicune™ said:
Well theres money but would it sell good? there's other games they could create which potentially could create a much larger income, like I say a remake of a remake is pointless.
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No one can know how much a game can make before it sells. They may have ideas they THINK will sell better, but until it's out there, no one knows. All we know is that the remakes so far have been awesome.
 
Yeah but it can become reptitive if they do it over and over again, that's why they did it once and that's why it's called a "remake" besides, we need the Hoenn remakes first and the third game, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 4 etc.
 
Dude, I can't tell you how much anticipation I feel for RS remakes. I didn't really get to play them when they came out, and by the time I did I had just finished playing Pearl. So while I played, I was all like "Awww... it's 2D..." So, I'll be the 1,423rd in line for the game (We have a lot of fans with more resources than I) when it comes out. I'm just trying to present a different way to make Remakes, a way that could be done to games that haven't come out yet (Hoenn), and to games they might want to do again in ten years.
 
I actually like to see a remake of Kanto, with new interesting changes and possibly new features too! But I'd say remake Hoenn first! :'P
 
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