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So you like the "cult" Roxanne has created? I've got a lot of possibilities for this, which could be really sweet. Unfortunately they have neither to do with Sabrina nor Cynthia, but rather the characters that used to be important until I started centering my fic on the Cynthia-Sabrina one-sided rivalry. Speaking of which, we'll go back to that rivalry in Chapters 32 and 33, one of which I can put up today.
 
So you like the "cult" Roxanne has created?
Ehm...no? >>;;;
I've got a lot of possibilities for this, which could be really sweet.
You mind if I follow the development of this cult and use it in The Golden Prince? Have no idea how I will include it yet, but it seems to be an interesting twist...
Unfortunately they have neither to do with Sabrina nor Cynthia, but rather the characters that used to be important until I started centering my fic on the Cynthia-Sabrina one-sided rivalry.
Nah, me not cares, after all, it is not only a Sabrina& Cynthia fic, and I, too, have to involve some other characters in my later fic. =3
 
Well, the "cult" may or may not exist after this story, depending on how things go... you can certainly use it, as long as there are still believers in Arceus after what happens later...

And of course now that I think of it I'm not going that far away from the Cynthia-Sabrina families since Will has been brought into the "cult."
 
*shrugs* If it does still exist, might as well use it. If not, I can revive it with certain characters as the *new* founders (I do have an idea about it, and oh, the twists, the twists! XD).

Yeah, poor Will, not on his own free will (...*sweatdrops*) and certainly not on the will of his wife. lol
 
...so what is reflected by the fact that I am a psychic Absol? ...
That you're both Jedi AND Sith?

We do have talked about the possibility of Sabrina being Silver's mother, haven't we? XD
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... No. NO! NEVER!!!
(And not only because she's too young to have a son already so old without turning Giovanni into a pervert...)
 
Hm...being both doesn't even sound so bad...
Well, Silver was 11 in GSC, wasn't he? And Sabrina did look to be around 25-28, so, she wouldn't be *that* young...just a bit younger than usual...but you're right, I'm not really believing it either.
Review time. And due to PC's inconsistence, I'll post the whole review here.
Her gunshot went right into thin air, failing to touch anything. Lucian had disappeared.
...why did I knew that you wouldn't dare to kill Lucian?
"He must have impeccable timing," J remarked. "That's just not possible!"

"Unfortunate, isn't it?" Cynthia commented.
... oh, yes, really unfortunate.
My powers as a psychic are far beyond what you can ever imagine," Cynthia stated.
*coughs*
"I give up..." J replied.
...she gives up that easily.
"I would be honored to work for you, Queen Cynthia," she said.
...why did I know before that it has something to do with Sabrina?
Why did those two have to go together?
Because they were both chosen? lol
Miss Saffron," J answered.

"That would be Mrs. Saffron,"
As a non-native speaker, I never get the difference, but I suppose it has something to do with being married. Though, this leads to the question as to why J doesn't know that Sabrina is married...
paused for a moment, thinking about her possibilities. "Get as much of it as you can and bring it to me," she replied.
Lol, nothing new there.
Sabrina wanted to escape, but she found that she could not teleport. Again, she was helpless.
What a surprise. D'oh.
Cynthia smiled. "So, you accept the fact that I am now the queen of the Pokémon world?" she asked.

Sabrina did not respond.
I guess she did before, but now she doesn't anymore. Hm.
"You took from me something I could never replace, and for that, you shall pay."
...man, she has some problems. >>
I am a fair queen,
In your dreams.
There is nothing from me I have left to give."

"Your life," Cynthia stated.
Even Sabrina's life won't bring Cynthia's parents back.
"Okay, Sabrina, I forgive you," Cynthia stated.

Sabrina breathed a sigh of relief.

"But my sister does not!" Cynthia then screamed.
I hate you...
"Then just kill me," Sabrina said. "If you'll only spare Will and my daughter, I will choose to die right now."
Well, Sabrina is certainly stronger-minded than Cynthia...
"I can't bring them back from the dead!" Sabrina cried.

"Then you shall be tortured," Cynthia replied. "Every day, for one hour."
...I really hate you. And your Cynthia. Who is insane. But that is nothing new.
"Thank you, Lucian," Sabrina replied.
Hm...
"Your reward is making the queen happy," she replied.

"What?" J questioned. "You mean I don't get anything for what I did for you?"
You should have expected that. Never trust Cynthia. Never.
Lucian thought about his response carefully. "Whatever makes the queen happy," he responded.

"Oh, that's exactly what I thought you'd say," Cynthia said.
...smart boy.
The logistics of this were unclear to him;
and to the readers as well.
At this point, he figured, no one would be stupid enough not to bow.
Or else, there will be no need for a new world, as the few people that are left can start a new world anyway.
But she's lost her luster, she's lost her strength, she's no longer the woman she once was.
Thanks to CPF, she has.
"And that person is-"
...Cynthia? lol
 
Hm...being both doesn't even sound so bad...
Then you have to do as much good to the galaxy as you do evil... My, my... I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

Well, Silver was 11 in GSC, wasn't he? And Sabrina did look to be around 25-28, so, she wouldn't be *that* young...just a bit younger than usual...but you're right, I'm not really believing it either.
In your interpretation she would be pregnant with 14 (worst case) or at least 17 (still very bad, at least when it's about Sabrina... ). That definitely IS very young, and I think Giovanni and her didn't know each other a long time before she joined Team Rocket on its founding day. And that was only a short time before Red started his journey, I guess.
Besides, she was the might-hungry leader of a criminal organisation, so she definitely wouldn't want a child in such a situation. xD

(Hm, I personally think she's only about 20-22 in GSC. óò (Or should I say, "hope"?)
 
Then you have to do as much good to the galaxy as you do evil... My, my... I'm not sure if that's a good thing.
...good thing? 0=) Oh, who cares if it's a good thing. I would certainly have my fun. ;-)
In your interpretation she would be pregnant with 14 (worst case) or at least 17 (still very bad, at least when it's about Sabrina... ). That definitely IS very young, and I think Giovanni and her didn't know each other a long time before she joined Team Rocket on its founding day. And that was only a short time before Red started his journey, I guess.
Like I said, I don't believe in it either, but the fact stays, we don't have one clue about Silver's mother and the only woman shown to have interest in Gio is Sabrina. Really, I don't believe in it, either, but...
Besides, she was the might-hungry leader of a criminal organisation, so she definitely wouldn't want a child in such a situation. xD
Who says that she had a chance to decide?
(Hm, I personally think she's only about 20-22 in GSC. óò (Or should I say, "hope"?)
Meh, I have problems judging her age in the mange. She looked awefully young during the Red/Blue/Green series, about 15/16, and didn't seem to have matured at all during Yellow, and then, suddenly, in GSC, she looked about 25,wtf? Oo
 
...good thing? 0=) Oh, who cares if it's a good thing. I would certainly have my fun. ;-)
Then you truly ARE a Sith.

Like I said, I don't believe in it either, but the fact stays, we don't have one clue about Silver's mother and the only woman shown to have interest in Gio is Sabrina. Really, I don't believe in it, either, but...
Probably his mother just died during the birth. If not, Giovanni would care more about her, I guess.

Who says that she had a chance to decide?
She might worship him, but is mentally strong enough to decide by herself, and protection surely exist even in the Pokeworld. And I doubt Giovanni wanted a child in his position as Team Rocket's leader. And, and... Well, it just doesn't fit in the timeline in m opinion.

Meh, I have problems judging her age in the mange. She looked awefully young during the Red/Blue/Green series, about 15/16, and didn't seem to have matured at all during Yellow, and then, suddenly, in GSC, she looked about 25,wtf? Oo
Well... I see your point. but that only supports my point that she is only about 20 in GSC, and probably 17-19 in RB (18-20 in Y then)... So the difference isn't that big.
 
Then you truly ARE a Sith.
...what, Jedi are not allowed to have fun?!
Probably his mother just died during the birth. If not, Giovanni would care more about her, I guess.
But wouldn't that be a bit, eh, clichéd to have Silver be a half-orphan? And I can see Giovanni, in his state back then, not caring much about the mother. After all, he didn't seem to look that much after Silver if Mask of Ice managed to kidnap him...
She might worship him, but is mentally strong enough to decide by herself, and protection surely exist even in the Pokeworld.
Dark Pokemon blocking her mind (they DID exist back then, Silver's sneasel)? Giovanni being simply stronger than her? She being completely obedient to her boss?
And I doubt Giovanni wanted a child in his position as Team Rocket's leader.
Oo You seriously doubt he wanted an heir?!
Well... I see your point. but that only supports my point that she is only about 20 in GSC, and probably 17-19 in RB (18-20 in Y then)... So the difference isn't that big.
...hm, okay, it could work. But 17 in RB would even be a tad bit too old in my taste, I would rather see her as 16, even more as just 15...she just looks quite young there. Oo
 
...what, Jedi are not allowed to have fun?!
Right, because it's selfish. And you said that you wouldn't care if you do good or evil things, and THAt is surely a Sith-way of thinking.

But wouldn't that be a bit, eh, clichéd to have Silver be a half-orphan? And I can see Giovanni, in his state back then, not caring much about the mother. After all, he didn't seem to look that much after Silver if Mask of Ice managed to kidnap him...
Well, till FRLG he was a "full" orphan. But anyway, Giovanni seems to have so low interest on Sabrina that maybe just she have a crush on him, not responded by him.

Dark Pokemon blocking her mind (they DID exist back then, Silver's sneasel)? Giovanni being simply stronger than her? She being completely obedient to her boss?
The first point is abundant implausible. In the second point, she truly would lost her love for him, and in the last point, she would be really weak-minded, which doesn't fit her. =_= She probabaly had kill herself after he sent her and Surge back to their gyms instead of keeping them by his side.

Oo You seriously doubt he wanted an heir?!
To make sure an heir will rule your empire like you want him to do, you have to influence him from birth till you die. So you really should procreate him AFTER you conquered your empire, and Giovanni was still on his campaign.

...hm, okay, it could work. But 17 in RB would even be a tad bit too old in my taste, I would rather see her as 16, even more as just 15...she just looks quite young there. Oo
Well, I agree she looks young, but probably her psychic powers just blocked her hormons...
 
Right, because it's selfish. And you said that you wouldn't care if you do good or evil things, and THAt is surely a Sith-way of thinking.
...;.; But I wanna do good things, too. And I said who cares if it's a good thing to do both good and evil things. That's not the same. ^.^
The first point is abundant implausible.
I don't see why it is. Dark Pokemon are not affected by psychic powers, so they must block them somehow. And Giovanni is obviously in the posession of dark Pokemon, otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to give his son a sneasel.
In the second point, she truly would lost her love for him, and in the last point, she would be really weak-minded, which doesn't fit her. =_= She probabaly had kill herself after he sent her and Surge back to their gyms instead of keeping them by his side.
Meh, maybe Giovanni doesn't care about her love. And well, she IS a member of team rocket, and she gave away her whole city for Giovanni, how is that not obedient? Unlike Koga, who disappeared, she stayed loyal and searched for him on that island after Lugia's appearance (forgot the name of the island XD)
Obviously, she did not kill herself. >>;;;
To make sure an heir will rule your empire like you want him to do, you have to influence him from birth till you die. So you really should procreate him AFTER you conquered your empire, and Giovanni was still on his campaign.
...hm, maybe, but this is only speculation, maybe Giovanni thought that he would not be able to bring TR to its true might, so his son should do it for him? He did want Silver to join TR in FR/LG, but I'm afraid I cannot say more about this matter, I haven't read these volumes of the manga. XD
Well, I agree she looks young, but probably her psychic powers just blocked her hormons...
LOL This is most interesting thing I have heard in a while..of course, both manga AND anime Sabrina would be interested in using that effect of her powers...quite interesting. No hormons--> no love Really something she would be interested in, at least as long as she wanted to be emotionless.
 
...;.; But I wanna do good things, too. And I said who cares if it's a good thing to do both good and evil things. That's not the same. ^.^
I understood you wrong.

I don't see why it is. Dark Pokemon are not affected by psychic powers, so they must block them somehow. And Giovanni is obviously in the posession of dark Pokemon, otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to give his son a sneasel.
From what I understand, he got Sneasel from Mask of Ice, not from his father. oO And Electric doesn't affect Ground, but Ground doesen't block Electric's Power, so that doesn't count as an argument I guess.

Meh, maybe Giovanni doesn't care about her love. And well, she IS a member of team rocket, and she gave away her whole city for Giovanni, how is that not obedient? Unlike Koga, who disappeared, she stayed loyal and searched for him on that island after Lugia's appearance (forgot the name of the island XD)
Er, I think to sacrifice her City isn't so hard to her. If you're evil, you don't have to do such things out of love, but because it goes along with your own plans. (At least, I would do so...) (Koga stayed away cause of the shame that he needed the help of kids to win against the Elite Four.) And after Giovanni went away, neither her nor Surge searched for him anyway.
But even when she loved him, being abused should break that because she truly have her proud. <<

...hm, maybe, but this is only speculation, maybe Giovanni thought that he would not be able to bring TR to its true might, so his son should do it for him? He did want Silver to join TR in FR/LG, but I'm afraid I cannot say more about this matter, I haven't read these volumes of the manga. XD
No no, he was so close to his victory when he was stopped by Red that I doubt that. And besides, self-confidence wasn't his problem either. Wanting his son to join was just natural but not because he awaited him for taking over the organisation.

LOL This is most interesting thing I have heard in a while..of course, both manga AND anime Sabrina would be interested in using that effect of her powers...quite interesting. No hormons--> no love Really something she would be interested in, at least as long as she wanted to be emotionless.
This time you misunderstood me... ^^ I thought of that her powers block her hormons, so her body wasn't able to reach puberty. In GSC, while she stayed at the hotspring, she didn't train nor battle, so she could grown up physically, which made that huge difference between her look in BRY and GSC.
(weird... I know...)
 
From what I understand, he got Sneasel from Mask of Ice, not from his father.
I'm fairly sure he had Sneasel before he went to Mask of Ice. After all, it was one the picture with him and his father.
And Electric doesn't affect Ground, but Ground doesen't block Electric's Power, so that doesn't count as an argument I guess.
Ah, but electric and ground are, in comparison, rather physical elements instead of psychic and dark. Psychic powers can manipulate people and matter (as shown in the manga by Blue and her problems with birds), and well, imo, that's different from the way electric and ground react to each other. There has to be a reason why psychic powers do no work on dark pokemon, and I think dark powers either block psychic powers or psychic powers just don't work on dark pokemon. Either way, Giovanni could shield himself with a dark pokemon. And remember, he has Viridian's powers, who knows what else he can do...
Er, I think to sacrifice her City isn't so hard to her. If you're evil, you don't have to do such things out of love, but because it goes along with your own plans.
I never said she would do that out of love (I think I did XD), I meant that she would do that because she is weak-minded, giving up the city she controls and letting TR control it completely. On the other hand, you're right, if you're evil, you do these things because they go along with your plans.
(Koga stayed away cause of the shame that he needed the help of kids to win against the Elite Four.)
Isn't that Giovanni's assumption? We don't really know why Koga went away, we don't know his own motivations.
And after Giovanni went away, neither her nor Surge searched for him anyway.
Hm, okay, thaqt is true.
But even when she loved him, being abused should break that because she truly have her proud. <<
It should, yes, but consider that the current actions happen ten years later. Long time to forgive, ne?
No no, he was so close to his victory when he was stopped by Red that I doubt that.
Yes, when he was stopped by Red. We're talking about the time when Silver was conceived, which was at least 8-9 years before Red's victory. Back then, Giovanni could have had doubts that he would be able to bring TR to glory, so, he got a son...
And besides, self-confidence wasn't his problem either. Wanting his son to join was just natural but not because he awaited him for taking over the organisation.
I always thought that once Silver become a member, it would be obvious that he would be trained to be the next leader. Oo Becoming a member just being the first step on the ladder, so to say.
This time you misunderstood me... ^^ I thought of that her powers block her hormons, so her body wasn't able to reach puberty.
Oh, I got you quite right, but hormons control love, too. (Psychologist in me is speaking again, lol)
In GSC, while she stayed at the hotspring, she didn't train nor battle, so she could grown up physically, which made that huge difference between her look in BRY and GSC.
(weird... I know...)
...yes, very weird. I had the imagine popping (...) up of her *suddenly* maturing in the middle of the spring scene and Red being present...
I should not be online at 1 am....
 
I'm fairly sure he had Sneasel before he went to Mask of Ice. After all, it was one the picture with him and his father.
Point given to you. I don't read FRLG so far, so I couldn't say anything against this.

Ah, but electric and ground are, in comparison, rather physical elements instead of psychic and dark. Psychic powers can manipulate people and matter (as shown in the manga by Blue and her problems with birds), and well, imo, that's different from the way electric and ground react to each other. There has to be a reason why psychic powers do no work on dark pokemon, and I think dark powers either block psychic powers or psychic powers just don't work on dark pokemon. Either way, Giovanni could shield himself with a dark pokemon. And remember, he has Viridian's powers, who knows what else he can do...
Hm... no, not really. It's more a natural ability of Dark Pokemon, I guess. So they can only block attacks and psycal powers targetting themselves. But there is no hint to that theme anyway, so we could fight about this for years without coming to a result... ^^

I never said she would do that out of love (I think I did XD), I meant that she would do that because she is weak-minded, giving up the city she controls and letting TR control it completely. On the other hand, you're right, if you're evil, you do these things because they go along with your plans.
She was evil, and she was one of the leaders of TR, so letting the city take over bei TR doesn't means she's weak-minded. She controls the city anyway, further as a gym leader, afterwards as a TR executive. And I don't think the city meaned much to her - otherwise she surely would never had joined TR.

Isn't that Giovanni's assumption? We don't really know why Koga went away, we don't know his own motivations.
Well, you don't read PokeSpec 14, right? ^^
Hm, okay, thaqt is true.
Thanks. Finally a point to me.

It should, yes, but consider that the current actions happen ten years later. Long time to forgive, ne?
No. I don't hear of any strong-minded victim to sexual abuse which ever forgives her torturer. And, as you already sayed, she was quite young in RBY, not much older than Blue (Green in our German version). And Blue and Silver where nearly at the same age when they were kidnapped. I just remember that by now. It definitely wouldn't fit in the timeline. And, last but not least, if I'm Giovanni, I would choose a woman which is old enough to take care of a child better than a 14/15-year-old girl without emotions (and no time because she has to build up a criminal empire by your side).

Yes, when he was stopped by Red. We're talking about the time when Silver was conceived, which was at least 8-9 years before Red's victory. Back then, Giovanni could have had doubts that he would be able to bring TR to glory, so, he got a son...
*sigh* I think he founded TR a year ago before he was stopped by Red, or maybe two years, not earlier. Surge, Koga and Sabrina where members from the beginning (as you see in PokeSpec 14) and it would be too conspicious if three leaders disapper for such a long time, I guess. And 8-9 years before I don't think he would doubt his victory anyway. He doesn't seem to be that type of person. He even rebuilt TR after the Elite Four and Mask of Ice were stopped, right? That means he never give up, so why should he have doubts before even founded TR?

I always thought that once Silver become a member, it would be obvious that he would be trained to be the next leader. Oo Becoming a member just being the first step on the ladder, so to say.
Trained by the Mask of Ice wasn't his plan. Anyway. The three gym leaders were executives (and his deputies) from the beginning, so why should he make his son to a lower-ranked henchman?
I think after recognizing Silver's his son, he wants him to join Tr, but in the days Silver was born he didn't think about Tr already, or at least didn't think about an heir.

Oh, I got you quite right, but hormons control love, too. (Psychologist in me is speaking again, lol)
I know, but I thought you mean she actively opressed her hormons. I think it is just an adverse reaction. By the way, she liked Giovanni...

...yes, very weird. I had the imagine popping (...) up of her *suddenly* maturing in the middle of the spring scene and Red being present...
I should not be online at 1 am....
She had a year to mature... Red arrived at the last day on the hotspring, and anyway, she was grown up menatl, of course, before that. It's just about her physical condition.
(After all, YOU started that theme about how strange it is she lookes so much older in GSC! xD)

And no, I guess you shouldn't... or maybe you should? It might be funny to see what you image next time... *g*
 
...why did I knew that you wouldn't dare to kill Lucian?
Cause I gave it away ahead of time. Too bad you've lately been making me give away that certain characters won't die.
As a non-native speaker, I never get the difference, but I suppose it has something to do with being married. Though, this leads to the question as to why J doesn't know that Sabrina is married...
Yes, it has to do with marriage, although I think "Miss Saffron" sounds better. It gives a feeling of youth. J hasn't been around anyone for a while.
I hate you...
Just what I thought.
...Cynthia? lol
Wouldn't it be awesome if Will went after Cynthia and left Sabrina behind? It would be like the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.

Oh, and two characters die next chapter, two who have been around since early in my first story. They're a couple. You'll be sad over their deaths... maybe devastated, I don't know. They aren't throwaway characters.
 
Cause I gave it away ahead of time. Too bad you've lately been making me give away that certain characters won't die.
...Well, you only told me that one character (Sabrina) would not die, you said nothing about Lucian. It were rather my instincts that told me he wouldn't die.
And no, now that I know that Sabrina is (relatively) safe, you don't need to tell me before that certain characters are not going to die. I want to be at least a bit surprised.

Yes, it has to do with marriage, although I think "Miss Saffron" sounds better. It gives a feeling of youth. J hasn't been around anyone for a while.
I don't think the difference between Miss and Misses is that big, though...the first one sounds like a beauty queen's title! (oha, I've better not given CPF ideas for Cynthia with that >.<)
Will and Sabrina's marriage was kinda big enough to reach Sinnoh's news, too, I think. Besides, considering all the people J has worked with so far (Cyrus, Lucian, Cynthia) one of them is bound to have told her about Will and Sabrina.

Just what I thought.
...no comment.

Wouldn't it be awesome if Will went after Cynthia and left Sabrina behind? It would be like the biggest scandal in the history of scandals.
No. The biggest scandal is Lance leaving Clair behind and having an affair with Cynthia. *THAT* is a scandal. Will is too small of a VIP to get such attention.

Oh, and two characters die next chapter, two who have been around since early in my first story. They're a couple. You'll be sad over their deaths... maybe devastated, I don't know. They aren't throwaway characters.
...hm....Sabrina's parents? Ritchie and Daisy? Ash and Misty? I need to re-re-read the first part. >.<
 
No. The biggest scandal is Lance leaving Clair behind and having an affair with Cynthia. *THAT* is a scandal. Will is too small of a VIP to get such attention.

Is he? He's a member of the Elite Four, at least that's something like a minister I guess... That should make him a VIP who could be dangerously affekted by scandals... think of how often a politicians carrer ended up after a verbal or sexual scandal. xD
 
Is he? He's a member of the Elite Four, at least that's something like a minister I guess... That should make him a VIP who could be dangerously affekted by scandals... think of how often a politicians carrer ended up after a verbal or sexual scandal. xD
Well, we were talking about the *biggest* scandal, and comparing Will to Lance...I guess in the case of Will, Lance would get realyl mad at him and shout at him and threat him with kicking him out and everything. Lance, on the other hand, could probably do whatever he wants, yet the public eye still watches him and for having an affair with Cynthia, he would certainly get in trouble, too.
Hm... no, not really. It's more a natural ability of Dark Pokemon, I guess. So they can only block attacks and psycal powers targetting themselves. But there is no hint to that theme anyway, so we could fight about this for years without coming to a result... ^^
...hm, I can see what you think, but I'm still not too sure. If it's a natural ability, why shouldn't they be able to use that ability to, let's say, save or guard their trainers? Other Pokemon do the same with their kind of ability, and dark Pokemon maybe block psychic powers to save their trainers.
She was evil, and she was one of the leaders of TR, so letting the city take over bei TR doesn't means she's weak-minded. She controls the city anyway, further as a gym leader, afterwards as a TR executive. And I don't think the city meaned much to her - otherwise she surely would never had joined TR.
I don't think Sabrina had as much control over her city after she had given it to TR as she had before. I mean, both Koga and Surge where, in the final battle, there, and their roles were, if I had to judge, just as big as hers. If you didn't have any information from the games, and just judged the situation by the plot, you would think that Sabrina literally had no power over any city, because the other executives (and Giovanni himself! How could I forget him?) were in Saffron and fighting in Silph.
Though, it *is* debatable if the city really was such an important point for her.
Well, you don't read PokeSpec 14, right? ^^
No, I don't own it. >> Sadly.
And, as you already sayed, she was quite young in RBY, not much older than Blue (Green in our German version). And Blue and Silver where nearly at the same age when they were kidnapped. I just remember that by now. It definitely wouldn't fit in the timeline. And, last but not least, if I'm Giovanni, I would choose a woman which is old enough to take care of a child better than a 14/15-year-old girl without emotions (and no time because she has to build up a criminal empire by your side).
...I'm starting to wonder just why I am defending a theory so much that I don't even believe in myself. XD!
Well, Sabrina was certainly older than Blue (I myself think that Blue matured really fast, and Sabrina...well, the opposite. XD!). Blue was around starting trainer age (aka 10) and Sabrina had to be at 15. So...okay, I see, I see, the theory *is* stupid, but only as long as we don't know Sabrina's true age in the manga. For all we know, she could be the opposite of anime May, and look like 15, but be 25 in reality.
And, hey, Giovanni seems to have enough money to get a nanny. After all, look at Koga, there's no sign of a wife or mother for Janine, so he probably took care of her himself, and that didn't seem to be a problem for Giovanni.
*sigh* I think he founded TR a year ago before he was stopped by Red, or maybe two years, not earlier. Surge, Koga and Sabrina where members from the beginning (as you see in PokeSpec 14) and it would be too conspicious if three leaders disapper for such a long time, I guess. And 8-9 years before I don't think he would doubt his victory anyway. He doesn't seem to be that type of person. He even rebuilt TR after the Elite Four and Mask of Ice were stopped, right? That means he never give up, so why should he have doubts before even founded TR?
Oo Uhm, why do you think that he found TR just a year before RB? I mean, they have a nearly half-complete Mewtwo in their backyard, you seriously think it took just one year to have the basics for cloning a Pokemon and fulfill said task? A year is not enough for that, imo.
Like I said, I didn't read volume 14, but I think I read that somewhere else, too.
Come on, Green, Red and Blue saw that Sabrina and Surge were members of TR, and in GSC, they're again gym leaders and competeting in the gym leader's tournament. If *that* is no problem, then being gone for a while certainly isn't, too. And isn't Surge some kind of sailor, often on the sea?
Before he rebuilt it, he was gone for a long time. And the ending of Yellow certainly didn't give the the wipes of Giovanni being the strong man he claims to be. >>
Trained by the Mask of Ice wasn't his plan. Anyway. The three gym leaders were executives (and his deputies) from the beginning, so why should he make his son to a lower-ranked henchman?
I think after recognizing Silver's his son, he wants him to join Tr, but in the days Silver was born he didn't think about Tr already, or at least didn't think about an heir.
First, I didn't mean training by the Mask of Ice. I meant that Silver was supposed to become a member of TR to be trained and then becoming the next leader. And well, the three gym leaders were gym leaders, so why not give them a higher ranking? Silver was just a mere trainer, he had no real position yet.
And still, we don't know when TR was founded, so he could have, or could have not thought about an heir back then.
I know, but I thought you mean she actively opressed her hormons. I think it is just an adverse reaction. By the way, she liked Giovanni...
I don't think her *love* for Giovanni is that openly controlled by hormons, otherwise, she would react quite differently (A hormon-crazy Sabrina...ugh, horrible image x.x)
She had a year to mature... Red arrived at the last day on the hotspring, and anyway, she was grown up menatl, of course, before that. It's just about her physical condition.
(After all, YOU started that theme about how strange it is she lookes so much older in GSC! xD)
I know you meant she had a year to mature, that funny picture was not meant to be serious (XD Not at all!). Yet, to go through, let's see, 10 years of maturing in the span of one year is still...ehm, weird to imagine. XD! (Can't we just blame it on the artist? lol) ...I know I started the topic, but I didn't know before that it would end up with such crazy theories. XD!
And no, I guess you shouldn't... or maybe you should? It might be funny to see what you image next time... *g*
It has to be 1 am for me to think of crazy stuff. Remind me never to continue my story at this time. x.x I don't want to scare the readers.
 
Well, we were talking about the *biggest* scandal, and comparing Will to Lance...I guess in the case of Will, Lance would get realyl mad at him and shout at him and threat him with kicking him out and everything. Lance, on the other hand, could probably do whatever he wants, yet the public eye still watches him and for having an affair with Cynthia, he would certainly get in trouble, too.
Dependig on the fact that his relationship to Clair is well-known... does he sell his own stories to the yellow press as well? oO

...hm, I can see what you think, but I'm still not too sure. If it's a natural ability, why shouldn't they be able to use that ability to, let's say, save or guard their trainers? Other Pokemon do the same with their kind of ability, and dark Pokemon maybe block psychic powers to save their trainers.
Because, you as a person may have, lets say, a natural ability to resist poison. That would help you if you're become bitten by a snake, but you cannot use this ability to help somebody other. It's just that it is inside you, a part of your genes, but you cannot use it intentional. And Dark Pokemon must have some anti-psychic powers if they really could manage to use their powers beyond their own bodies to shield a trainer or repress a psychic's mind, which they obviously don't have... Dark Attacks are for fighting only, like Crunch and Bite, and hit physical. And the only attacks of Psychic type they can learn are Rest (which every Pokemon can learn) and, some of them, Calm Mind, which in my eyes only shows their strong mind and probably a will to fight, but not any psychic powers at all.



...I'm starting to wonder just why I am defending a theory so much that I don't even believe in myself. XD! [...] (Can't we just blame it on the artist? lol) ...I know I started the topic, but I didn't know before that it would end up with such crazy theories. XD!
Let's stop that... After all nobody of us believes in it and it's going weird, I guess. ^^"
Let's agree on the point that she was a short-term affair to him (or he to her? xD), if any.


It has to be 1 am for me to think of crazy stuff. Remind me never to continue my story at this time. x.x I don't want to scare the readers.
I'm not be scared that easy, and reading something funny usually please me. xD
 
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