Season 1 pokemon personality etc..copy?

[amarj3]

Seriously, Charmander- The abused pokemon who was ditched by his trainer and Ash got it and trained it and the pokemon is now Ash's most powerfull pokemon as a charizard and was through his journeys but ash has trouble controlling his huge power

Bulbasuar- Mr realiable, Was a guardian of a small group of pokemon and is Ash's most powerful pokemon and while it may seem weak because it regfuses to evolve it wins tough fights

sinnoh

Chimchar- They did it a little bit different by stretching his stroyline on how ash got him but lets be fair the new season, the writers have made everything longer, gym battles, normal battles and storyline.

The abused pokemon who was let go by his trainer and Ash got, When his true power is unleased Ash cant control it. This for me looks like a copy of charmander but for this season....he looks like will be ash's most powerfull pokemon in this season and they have basicly just ran out olf ideas so they are using first gen type of pokemon story but in new same type of pokemon..

I LIKE how they are extending the storyline and battles and making his power look much better but think about it...charmander and chimchar are very similer

Turtwig- Exactly the same as the bulbasaur bit.....i am sure no explanation is needed...

his water pokemon- what is so similer? well personality and the tyoe compared to squirtile.....when we first saw squirtile he was the no nonsense type who always takes on a fight. well this gen ash's water pokemon is the same but only how he got it is different.

i wont go on about the rest, his main pokemon will be thopse 3 and of course the mouse who was unstoppable at one point being very high level pokemon then becoming a weakling again....

also johto league- WHAT WAS THE POINT GIVING HIM NEW POKEMON, his main pokemon he used in the big fights were mainly...charizard...and other kanto pokemon in the main fights in the johto pokemon league. it was like the johto starters he got were rubbish which they were....

 

[Vernikova]

Seriously, Charmander- The abused pokemon who was ditched by his trainer and Ash got it and trained it and the pokemon is now Ash's most powerfull pokemon as a charizard and was through his journeys but ash has trouble controlling his huge power

Didn't Charmander's trainer want it back?

Bulbasuar- Mr realiable, Was a guardian of a small group of pokemon and is Ash's most powerful pokemon and while it may seem weak because it regfuses to evolve it wins tough fights

Turtwig is Ash's most powerful pokémon?

Spoiler:

Let's see about that in the future shall we?

The abused pokemon who was let go by his trainer and Ash got, When his true power is unleased Ash cant control it. This for me looks like a copy of charmander but for this season....he looks like will be ash's most powerfull pokemon in this season and they have basicly just ran out olf ideas so they are using first gen type of pokemon story but in new same type of pokemon..

Charmander had true power? It looked like an ordinary one to me. It just got stronger by evolving that's all. It never had "true power".

Turtwig- Exactly the same as the bulbasaur bit.....i am sure no explanation is needed...

It would help your case though.

his water pokemon- what is so similer? well personality and the tyoe compared to squirtile.....when we first saw squirtile he was the no nonsense type who always takes on a fight. well this gen ash's water pokemon is the same but only how he got it is different.

I'm pretty sure they're different. Wanting to battle all the time doesn't make one similar. If that was the case, Maylene's Lucario is also copying Squirtle.

i wont go on about the rest, his main pokemon will be thopse 3 and of course the mouse who was unstoppable at one point being very high level pokemon then becoming a weakling again....

Like I said before, it would help your case if you did.

also johto league- WHAT WAS THE POINT GIVING HIM NEW POKEMON, his main pokemon he used in the big fights were mainly...charizard...and other kanto pokemon in the main fights in the johto pokemon league. it was like the johto starters he got were rubbish which they were....

I don't know actually. They just blew this whole saga up and it will never recover from it. That's why I'm going to dread the Johto talkbacks....

But to give credit, he used Bayleef and Heracross.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Didn't Charmander's trainer want it back?

Only after Charmander defeated Team Rocket.

Turtwig is Ash's most powerful pokémon?

Spoiler:

Let's see about that in the future shall we?

Yeah, lets.

Charmander had true power? It looked like an ordinary one to me. It just got stronger by evolving that's all. It never had "true power".

That depends, do you consider it's defeating a raging primeape that would have been impossible to battle in many cases (since you're trying to flee from it.) or the fact that it burnt an acre of Exeggutor to break hypnosis (even without Melvin's help, the amount of Exeggutors it broke trances out of was impressive.) true power?

It would help your case though.

Well,

Spoiler:

Other than the fact that Turtwig might be evolving soon[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure they're different. Wanting to battle all the time doesn't make one similar. If that was the case, Maylene's Lucario is also copying Squirtle.

True... (I haven't watched the Maylene episode, sorry).

Like I said before, it would help your case if you did.

I don't know actually. They just blew this whole saga up and it will never recover from it. That's why I'm going to dread the Johto talkbacks....

Meh, it's your opinion, though personally I didn't see much of a problem with it (I sat through all the episodes of Johto that were shown on Cartoon Network during the June the second-third marathon, and not once did I grow tired (well, aside from my bones getting sore, but that's more because I sat down to watch it throughout June 2nd up until it ended for the night. I could have just as easily walked out of it [even IF my reasons were to prove that Misty did things in Johto and that the Johto episodes weren't mostly fillers, much less that it was boring.].).

But to give credit, he used Bayleef and Heracross.

And at least Cyndaquil was able to defeat Steelix (and play a role in the whitney rematch), and at least Noctowl was crucial to the Morty battle.

 

[amarj3]

i dont mean exact copies, and i got the most powerful pokemon thiong mixed up

charmander was abused and had huge power with the pokemon it beat, chimchar is almost exactly the same and it seems they just changed little details but kept a similer storyline


turwig was a guardian of a village and joined ash like bulba, he is a solid pokemon who isnt his most strongest but still powerful.

look how he got those pokemon and how they are are in the anime, it is soooooo similer...


johoto was just stupid.....his main pokemon were charizard whioch was a kanto and in the real tough fights only heracross was worthy to be in his best line ups....

 

[Shedinjareese]

Writers feast on symbolism. And when you have Pokemon who are a certain type, it makes it easy for them. Fire, for example, is usually intense passion and often anger. Therefore, it makes the story tragic if this Pokemon full of furor is abandoned, because that same Pokemon will express it more later than, say, an Azurill. The writers would never abandon an Azurill or abuse it like they did with Charmander and Chimchar. It's just not done. The Pokemon would sit there and cry but probably have no intense grudges against the former trainer because that's its nature.

 

[amarj3]

but seriously, i know the battle system and everything is way better than first series where 1 move kinockouts were nearly in every battle but you think they could think of a new type of pokemon individual storyline

charmander- abused and then left alone in the rain, eventually his trainer see's his power and tries to get him back, later on charmander evolves and his true power comes out and he is incredibly powerful, strong enough to defeated legends....

chimchar- abused pokemon and trainer leaves him, they expanded the stroyline by stretching it but we can already tell it is all powerfull and will probably be ash's most powerful pokemon after charizard or maybe even stronger....his true power is coming out and wqatch this but i know he will prob fight the toughest of foes and win like charizard and soon his trainer will regret letting him go just like charmander

it is just too similer, only real difference is the story is made longer, much longer....

turtwig and bulba- both similer in where they were, guardian of pokemon...both are powerful pokemon and when things look tough they still come through. way too similer in how they were caught and how they were introduced. would not surprise me if in the end turtwig ends up becoming a guardian and peace maker like bulba

seriously

COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW

 

[Jorah]

Charmander was neglected, Chimchar was abused, no comparison. The trainer shown no interest in Charmander (neglect) until he found out it wasn't weak (but not really strong since anything can kill TR). I suppose Paul was a little further down the road on this. He caught Chimchar when he saw it was powerful - which is similar to the trainer only being interested in Charmander when he saw it was strong - but Paul put Chimchar on strict "special" training to make it stronger, which actually caused psycholoigcal damage to Chimchar, as we've seen.

It was never really mentioned why Charmeleon went crazy, whether it actually though Ash was a bad trainer or the past neglect. But then, if it was the past, wouldn't have acted weird while it was Charmander? I don't know

 

[Roronoa Zolo]

Seriously, Charmander- The abused pokemon who was ditched by his trainer and Ash got it and trained it and the pokemon is now Ash's most powerfull pokemon as a charizard and was through his journeys but ash has trouble controlling his huge power

trouble? that was long time ago.



sinnoh

Chimchar- They did it a little bit different by stretching his stroyline on how ash got him but lets be fair the new season, the writers have made everything longer, gym battles, normal battles and storyline.
As long as it evolved into monefero/impernape, i dont care if the copied charizard.

The abused pokemon who was let go by his trainer and Ash got, When his true power is unleased Ash cant control it. This for me looks like a copy of charmander but for this season....he looks like will be ash's most powerfull pokemon in this season and they have basicly just ran out olf ideas so they are using first gen type of pokemon story but in new same type of pokemon..

As long as it evolved into monefero/impernape, i dont care if the copied charizard.

Turtwig- Exactly the same as the bulbasaur bit.....i am sure no explanation is needed...

I laught at this post.
[spoilers]TURTWIG EVOLVE! shock? What happen to your comparison?[/spoilers]

his water pokemon- what is so similer? well personality and the tyoe compared to squirtile.....when we first saw squirtile he was the no nonsense type who always takes on a fight. well this gen ash's water pokemon is the same but only how he got it is different.

this post is failure. How is Buizel the same as Squirtle? Buizel has a tough attidue like Sceptile. Squirtle dont have that. And the story? did you watch the episode? IT WAS TRADED. Squirtle was Caught. so your post is a complete failure.

i wont go on about the rest, his main pokemon will be thopse 3 and of course the mouse who was unstoppable at one point being very high level pokemon then becoming a weakling again....

Dude. stop living in the past. Those three was his strongest pokemon. But were in SINNOH now. Were focusing on his NEW POKEMONS. Those 3 had a lot of showtime.

also johto league- WHAT WAS THE POINT GIVING HIM NEW POKEMON, his main pokemon he used in the big fights were mainly...charizard...and other kanto pokemon in the main fights in the johto pokemon league. it was like the johto starters he got were rubbish which they were....

And thats why, JOHTO was a complete FAILURE.
The kanto team overshadowed the Johto teamed. which made Jhto team the weakest.

Your post has a lot of flawed. I suggest you start re-watching hoenn and see how Ash manage to get to top 8 without his strongest pokemon.

 

[amarj3]

dude calm down....sorry to upset you so much. sorry for having a opinion, thought this was a forum.

also if you dont care if they copied charizard? why post??? it is plain spam because it is like saying, i dont care. thread was made for those who do care or want to discuss it, not those who just post i dont care and get upset about it.

remember it isnt real

if you read my post about turtwig it was how it was caught and introduced mainly, please read posts before posting about them. please understand them fully and dont type to bring down other people. it is just childish, grow up.

 

[Vernikova]

Stop the violence, we must stop the violence. :P

Only after Charmander defeated Team Rocket.

Doesn't mean he still didn't want it.

That depends, do you consider it's defeating a raging primeape that would have been impossible to battle in many cases (since you're trying to flee from it.) or the fact that it burnt an acre of Exeggutor to break hypnosis (even without Melvin's help, the amount of Exeggutors it broke trances out of was impressive.) true power?

Then I guess you must also believe that Pikachu, Piplup, May's Squirtle, etc have true power in that same sense. By same sense, I mean to Chimchar's.

Well,

Spoiler:

Other than the fact that Turtwig might be evolving soon

We must protect the children now, remember that.

True... (I haven't watched the Maylene episode, sorry).

You should watch it. It had a great gym battle for both Ash and Dawn with a nice filler to end of the arc.

Meh, it's your opinion, though personally I didn't see much of a problem with it (I sat through all the episodes of Johto that were shown on Cartoon Network during the June the second-third marathon, and not once did I grow tired (well, aside from my bones getting sore, but that's more because I sat down to watch it throughout June 2nd up until it ended for the night. I could have just as easily walked out of it [even IF my reasons were to prove that Misty did things in Johto and that the Johto episodes weren't mostly fillers, much less that it was boring.].).

True, opinions=opinions.

And at least Cyndaquil was able to defeat Steelix (and play a role in the whitney rematch), and at least Noctowl was crucial to the Morty battle.

I was more relating to the Silver Conference, but those were some decent battles.

but seriously, i know the battle system and everything is way better than first series where 1 move kinockouts were nearly in every battle but you think they could think of a new type of pokemon individual storyline

I'm sure they have.

charmander- abused and then left alone in the rain, eventually his trainer see's his power and tries to get him back, later on charmander evolves and his true power comes out and he is incredibly powerful, strong enough to defeated legends....

Jorah already explained this. Lucky.

chimchar- abused pokemon and trainer leaves him, they expanded the stroyline by stretching it but we can already tell it is all powerfull and will probably be ash's most powerful pokemon after charizard or maybe even stronger....his true power is coming out and wqatch this but i know he will prob fight the toughest of foes and win like charizard and soon his trainer will regret letting him go just like charmander

Well, he never let Charizard go, it's at Charific Valley. Also, how can you predict all of this? If this is supposedly the first time it's happening?

it is just too similer, only real difference is the story is made longer, much longer....

Jorah already spoke about this.

turtwig and bulba- both similer in where they were, guardian of pokemon...both are powerful pokemon and when things look tough they still come through. way too similer in how they were caught and how they were introduced. would not surprise me if in the end turtwig ends up becoming a guardian and peace maker like bulba

When has Turtwig come through for anything? Also, I have no idea how this relates to their personalities? Bulbasaur was more of a fighter and don't back down, just like many pokémon we've already seen. Even wild pokémon have show this. To make it more specific, Pkachu showed this attitude, so in a sense, with your argument, Bulbasaur copied off of Pikachu, which we know is entirely false.

seriously

COME UP WITH SOMETHING NEW

They obviously have.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Doesn't mean he still didn't want it.

If he did want it, why did he brag to his friends that it was a weak pokemon and that it deserved to die?

Then I guess you must also believe that Pikachu, Piplup, May's Squirtle, etc have true power in that same sense. By same sense, I mean to Chimchar's.

Well, Pikachu WAS desired by Jessie, James, and Meowth for similar reasons to how Paul desired Chimchar... Still, good point in regards to Piplup and May's Squirtle.

We must protect the children now, remember that.

Hey, I did intend to put it in spoiler tags (actually, I don't even know how I messed up.)

You should watch it. It had a great gym battle for both Ash and Dawn with a nice filler to end of the arc.

Since I'm still on boycott (and besides which, we got rid of our cable provider, which included, yes, Cartoon Network.), there's virtually no chance in regards to watching it outside of a DVD boxed set.

Then again, I do know bits and pieces of it. Also, speaking of which, one can argue that it wasn't exactly a great gym battle for Ash, as the way he won the badge was similar to how he won most of his Kanto Badges. Plus, some people [eg, Paul] hinted that Maylene could be beaten by anyone, among other things (He also hinted at something similar to that with his calling Ash "Pathetic" when he lost against Roark.)

I was more relating to the Silver Conference, but those were some decent battles.

well, I didn't see all of it (in fact, the only one I saw was the one against Harrison, since it aired in that June marathon.), but I thought the battle with Harrison was all right.

 

[Roronoa Zolo]

also if you dont care if they copied charizard?

They already did. Sceptile. he may not be a fire type, but, he's Ash second powerhouse.
only a matter of time either Grotle (im tired to do the spoliers :P) will evolve to Torterra or Chimchar will go all the way. But no one can complain that Charizard is his STRONGEST pokemon.

the only Bulbasaur and Turtwig share is the "story" and they're way of spamming with razor leaf. Turtwig was left rotten on his pokeball when Ash manage to get Buizel. Lucky that didn't happen to Bulba.

 

[Vernikova]

If he did want it, why did he brag to his friends that it was a weak pokemon and that it deserved to die?

You're missing the point here. After he saw Charmander beat Team Rocket, he wanted it back. Of course, he could've let it go again if it bacame "weak", but at that time he wanted it back.

Hey, I did intend to put it in spoiler tags (actually, I don't even know how I messed up.)

You put (

Spoiler:

words. [/quote]).

Since I'm still on boycott (and besides which, we got rid of our cable provider, which included, yes, Cartoon Network.), there's virtually no chance in regards to watching it outside of a DVD boxed set.

Oh yeah, I forgot you were boycotting it.

Then again, I do know bits and pieces of it. Also, speaking of which, one can argue that it wasn't exactly a great gym battle for Ash, as the way he won the badge was similar to how he won most of his Kanto Badges. Plus, some people [eg, Paul] hinted that Maylene could be beaten by anyone, among other things (He also hinted at something similar to that with his calling Ash "Pathetic" when he lost against Roark.)

Paul used pokémon that were all super-effective against Maylene's pokémon. Also, Ash and maylene ended in a draw.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

You're missing the point here. After he saw Charmander beat Team Rocket, he wanted it back. Of course, he could've let it go again if it bacame "weak", but at that time he wanted it back.

True.

You put (

Spoiler:

words.

Spoiler:

). [/QUOTE]

Yeah, I knew that, actually. when I said "I don't even know how I messed up", I actually meant something like "I don't even know what I was thinking when I did that", but I couldn't use a phrase that was worded better.

Oh yeah, I forgot you were boycotting it.

Well, even IF I hadn't boycotted it, It wouldn't have mattered anyways. The TV channels were getting far too trashy for our tastes, so we had to take Cable off this summer. And since Cartoon Network was one of the cable providers...

Paul used pokémon that were all super-effective against Maylene's pokémon. Also, Ash and maylene ended in a draw.

Well, yeah, true on Paul, but he also hinted that Roark was weak in regards to insulting Ash (I mean, why would he call Ash's loss against Roark "Pathetic" if he thought that Roark was strong?)

Also, it's because of the Draw that people thought that Ash's getting the brick badge was a pity badge (they believe you need to beat the Gym Leader in order to get the badge.), so... since Ash didn't exactly win against Maylene, he, by their logic, shouldn't have gotten the badge, and some even went as far as to call it a "pity badge".

 

[Vernikova]

Well, seeing that it was a draw and not something such as "I-made-you-laugh" or a Brock situation, I don't see how it could be.