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[Ghi102]

Azelf @ Focus Sash Naive
Evs: 252 speed, 252 spa and 4 Att
Levitate
-Explosion
-Fire Blast
-Psychic
-Stealth Rock

Steelix @ Leftovers Impish
Evs: 252 def 252 attack and 6 hp
Sturdy
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Roar
-Explosion

Earthquake for STAB. Roar because since Azelf will have a stealth rock on, roaring will make the ennemy get hit by the stealth rock. Explosion is when Steelix is low hp. Stone Edge for flying dragons.

Electivire @ Expert Belt Mild
Evs: 76 attack, 252 speed and 182 spa
Motordrive
-Cross Chop
-Flamethrower
-HP Ice
-Thunderbolt

He's actually kinda a mix sweeper. Flamethrower works well against grass types.

Gengar @ Wide Lens Timid
Evs: 6hp, 252 speed and 252 Spa
Levitate
-Hypnosis
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

Don't what to say bout him :P.

Heracross @ Expert Belt Jolly
Evs: 104 HP / 252 Att / 152 Speed
Guts
-Close Combat
-Earthquake
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge

Changed to expert belt, again i said that i will not use a choice band, hate these things. I put Jolly because he still has 349 attack without adamant and might need to go faster than other pkm sometimes...

Blissey @ Leftovers Calm
Evs: 252 Def / 80 Sp Att / 176 Sp Def
Natural Cure
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Thunderwave

The overused pkm with an overused set :P.

Note: I edited the team, changes i made from the original team are in bold. I think that's it...

 

[Aurafire]

It's been quite a long time i haven't been on shoddy or even on pokecommunity... Well, i've made this team for shoddy and i wanna know what you think bout it.

Azelf @ Focus Sash Naive
Evs: 252 speed, 252 spa and 4 Att
Levitate
-Explosion
-Fire Blast/Taunt
-Psychic
-Stealth Rock

Naive, so the power of your explosion isn't reduced. Go with Fire Blast > Flamethrower, as it has a chance to OHKO more things like Weavile and Yanmega...You won't miss the accuracy too much. Taunt can always be swapped in if you don't want your opponent's lead to get a stealth rock in

I absolutely love azelf has a starter, flamthrower kills that annoying Bronzong 2HKO, psychic is for ghost, stealth rock for additional damage and explosion is to finish a pkm when azelf is low hp. Timid for added speed. It's faster than a gengar!

Gyarados @ Leftovers/Life Orb Adamant
Evs: 252 attack, 252 speed and 6 hp
Intimidate
-Dragon Dance
-Ice Fang
-Stone Edge/Earthquake
-Waterfall

With all those attacks and no way to power them up, Gyra's effectiveness is going to go down the toilet. A Dragon Dance set will solve this problem. You still have great coverage and now a way to make him even more scary. You could always go with the original moveset and slap a choice band on him, but DD Gyra is much more dangerous.

I like a bit that gyarados. Earthquake for electric-type that are slower than him. Ice fang for dragons, stone edge for anything that flys and cannot be hurt by ice fang (water and flying) and Waterfall for STAB. Adamant for added attack

Electivire @ Expert Belt/Life Orb Mild
Evs: 76 attack, 252 speed and 182 spa
Motordrive
-Cross Chop
-Flamethrower
-Hp Grass/HP Ice
-Thunderbolt

Not bad...He wants mild so his can his harder on the special side. Give him an Expert Belt or Life Orb for more power. HP Ice can be swapped out for HP Grass...I think ice will help you out more in the long-run, but meh...up to you.

I like this Electivire, it covers quite a big group. Cross Chop vs Normal type (or any type that's weak to fighthing). Flamethrower 1HKO's most grass type and 2HKO's steel type most of the time. Hp grass for rock, ground etc... Thunderbolt for STAB

Gengar @ Life Orb/Wide Lens Timid
Evs: 6hp, 252 speed and 252 Spa
Levitate
-Hypnosis
-Hp Ice/Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

Explosion is going to do laughable damage with a timid nature...go with Hypnosis. Focus Blast can be swapped out for HP Ice, but once again that's up to you. I'd personally go with Focus Blast. Leftovers is a big no on him...Go LO of Wide Lens

Hp Ice for dragons, Shadow Ball vs other ghosts. Thunderbolt for anything thats weak to electric and Explosion when he's low hp.

Heracross @ Choice Band Adamant
Evs: 104 HP / 252 Att / 152 Speed
Guts
-Close Combat
-Earthquake/Pursuit/Night Slash
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge

What's with the leftovers on everything? Lol...Go with the standard CB set. This thing is a monstrosity, especially if you can switch into a status attack and activate Guts.

This is a good strong bug. Close Combat for STAB. Earthquake for fire. Megahorn for STAB and vs grass and psychic. Stone Edge for flying.

Blissey @ Leftovers Calm
Evs: 252 Def / 80 Sp Att / 176 Sp Def
Natural Cure
-Aromatherapy
-Ice Beam
-Softboiled
- Thunderwave/Toxic

Standard Cleric Bliss set...Max out his defense please so she doesn't fail to weak physical attacks. Her special walling ability is already phenomenal without all those HP EVs, and now your ability to take physical hits is doubled. Thunderwave or Toxic on switch ins.

Again the overused pkm. I don't think i need to explain it except for the 6 speed, its to overun other Blissey's :P i lost a battle because my Blissey was slower than his Blissey (at the end, he used explosion to killed my sweeper and his, than it was Blissey vs Blissey) althought it doesn't happen often.

Changes in bold

Pretty much, that team isn't that bad, i won a couple of battles with it (and got owned in other battles :P). If anyone of you could help me make modifications.

Eh...Leftovers on everything is a bad idea. Go with the items I suggested...Even a little change like that will greatly increase the effectiveness of your team.

No Dragon Dance Gyra/Salamence/Tyranitar counter is going to hurt you badly. This can be solved by putting a choice scarf on Gengar, but when he's gone your team is very easy to sweep. SD Luke will also cause problems. I'd swap something out that can take a good physical hit or two, because right now you have no physical walling abilities at all. There are many options out there...and a lot of things could work.

I'd say it's a fair team, but needs a bit of work.

 

[Ghi102]

Thank you for all the changes you can made for the team!!! I put leftovers on because i suck at choosing good items to put on lol. Actually, my team is owning lucarios :P. I didn't put a choice band on Hera because... well... for 2 reasons: 1. I hate not being able to choose more than 1 move without switching him and also because Megahorn is my only super effective attack on a psychic and is not good on most types, if i'm alone with him and have to kill half a team (it already happenned to me and i did it :), i bet most of them can resist or do normal damage with megahorn. What about expert belt? Also i've switched gyarados with Hitmonchan. Here's the moveset:

Hitmonchan @ Expert Belt
Evs: 252 attack, 252 speed and 6 hp
Iron fist
-Mach Punch
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
-Thunderpunch

It is actually a set someone i fought told me, he told me it is very effective and i guess he's right since it covers a big bundle of types, mach punch is for fast pkm.

Also i can use a Steelix for a wall:

Steelix @ Leftovers (dunno what to give him :P)
Evs: 252 def 252 attack and 6 hp
Sturdy
-Earthquake
-Gyro Ball
-Roar
-Explosion

Earthquake and Gyro Ball for STAB. Roar because since Azelf will have a stealth rock on, roaring will make the ennemy get hit by the stealth rock. Explosion is when Steelix is low hp.

And for the rest, i made these changes:

Azelf @ Focus Sash Naive
Evs: 252 speed, 252 spa and 4 Att
Levitate
-Explosion
-Fire Blast
-Psychic
-Stealth Rock

Gave him what you said.

Electivire @ Expert Belt Mild
Evs: 76 attack, 252 speed and 182 spa
Motordrive
-Cross Chop
-Flamethrower
-HP Ice
-Thunderbolt

I did like you said :P

Gengar @ Life Orb/Wide Lens Timid
Evs: 6hp, 252 speed and 252 Spa
Levitate
-Hypnosis
-Psychic
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

Psychic is for fighthing types (i faced a hitmonlee that owned my gengar once)

Heracross @ Expert Belt Adamant
Evs: 104 HP / 252 Att / 152 Speed
Guts
-Close Combat
-Earthquake
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge

Changed to expert belt, again i said that i will not use a choice band, hate these things. I actually put a pursuit on hera and noticed that i only used it on rare occasions.

Blissey @ Leftovers Calm
Evs: 252 Def / 80 Sp Att / 176 Sp Def
Natural Cure
-Aromatherapy
-Ice Beam
-Softboiled
- Thunderwave

Switched like you did, in my mind, thunderwave is more profitable than toxic (if a fast sweeper gets paralysed, it almost gets useless :P)

 

[Skip Shot]

If you're going to consider the possibility of Steelix in OU... It wants a Impish Nature, 252 HP/ 120 Atk and 136 Spd. Base 200 Def is like Blisseys sp. def., so no def evs are needed. Instead of Gyro Ball, go with Stone Edge to hit the ever-annoying flying dragons.

IMO Gyarados should have stayed, can draw some T-BOlts that start up Motor Drive for E-Vire.

Psychic isn't so great intoday's metagame on either Zelf or Gar. Either go with Hp Fighting or Taunt>> it on Azelf, and give Gengar Focus Blast. I prefer that you scarf Gengar, and with Hypnosis' 60 percent acc nowadays, go with HP Ice>> Hypnosis. Choice Items actually do pretty well in today's metagame.

 

[Lalapizzame]

If you're going to consider the possibility of Steelix in OU... It wants a Impish Nature, 252 HP/ 120 Atk and 136 Spd. Base 200 Def is like Blisseys sp. def., so no def evs are needed. Instead of Gyro Ball, go with Stone Edge to hit the ever-annoying flying dragons.

IMO Gyarados should have stayed, can draw some T-BOlts that start up Motor Drive for E-Vire.

Psychic isn't so great intoday's metagame on either Zelf or Gar. Either go with Hp Fighting or Taunt>> it on Azelf, and give Gengar Focus Blast. I prefer that you scarf Gengar, and with Hypnosis' 60 percent acc nowadays, go with HP Ice>> Hypnosis. Choice Items actually do pretty well in today's metagame.

Stripping Azelf of its STAB is not wise at all, even if it's not that great in today's metagame. ._.; Although I agree with Focus Blast > Psychic on Gar, Psychic is garbage on that set unless you want to invite TTar and Weavile to just come in and blast you to oblivion.

If you don't want Choice Band on that Hera, use Life Orb since it makes you do more than Expert Belt's 20% boost.

Your E-Vire isn't going to use its ability to its full potiental because A. There's 1 other immunity to Electric-type attacks and B. There are no Pokemon on your team weak to Electric anyway. Keep Hitmonchan if you want, but put something like Gyarados in there if you want some healthy Spe boosts to your E-Vire. Just a suggestion. =p

 

[Leonix]

I'm sorry, are you having 7 pokemon on your team?? Please make it clear which one's you are using as it confuses me.
Thanks

 

[Legacy Raider]

If you put Naive on Azelf over Timid, its decent base 125 Atk won't be squandered.

I certainly would run Dragon Dance over Ice Fang on Gyarados. Stone Edge already gives you excellent damage against most flyers, and Ice Fang is a bit of a wasted moveslot if you have it just to deal with Celebi.

Definitely run max Def on Blissey. Otherwise it will die to even weak physical hits. Maximising its defence effectively doubles its physical durability because of its pitiful base. I'd recommend a spread of 176HP, 252 Def, 80 SpD with a Calm nature. Also, I'd suggest dropping either Thunder Wave, Aromatherapy or Ice Beam. So many support/ weakness-prying attacks make it rather ineffective against many of its switch ins. I'd personally drop Aromatherapy or Thunderwave, either one will do, for Seismic Toss. Otherwise a CM Raikou will rip your team to shreds.

Gengar is being your primary revenge killer here, so I recommend you change Leftovers for Choice Scarf, and go from Timid to Mild.

 

[StrickeN]

It's been quite a long time i haven't been on shoddy or even on pokecommunity... Well, i've made this team for shoddy and i wanna know what you think bout it.

Azelf @ Focus Sash Naive
Evs: 252 speed, 252 spa and 6 hp
Levitate
-Explosion
-Fireblast/Taunt
-Psychic
-Stealth Rock
Standard. Timid with Explosion is eww. fire Blast is prefered over Flamethrow as it will do a lot more damage to opposing Bronzongs. Where as Taunt locks them down, cept for gyro which will do quite a lot to Max speed Azelf.
I absolutely love azelf has a starter, flamthrower kills that annoying Bronzong 2HKO, psychic is for ghost, stealth rock for additional damage and explosion is to finish a pkm when azelf is low hp. Timid for added speed. It's faster than a gengar!

Gyarados @ Life Orb Adamant
Evs: 252 attack, 252 speed and 6 hp
Intimidate
-Earthquake/Dragon Dance
-Ice Fang/Dragon Dance
-Stone Edge
-Waterfall
yeah lets go with this. You need DD as you will hardly outspeed anything to go with that sexy Adament nature. There is only 2 things you can consider replacing for DD, and that is Ice Fang or EQ. Stone Edge does the same thing as Ice Fang, except for hit things such as Gliscor for a OHKO. So if you find gliscor to be a nuisance, go with fang, but after a DD, waterfall should 2HKO, and thats not a big problem there.
I like a bit that gyarados. Earthquake for electric-type that are slower than him. Ice fang for dragons, stone edge for anything that flys and cannot be hurt by ice fang (water and flying) and Waterfall for STAB. Adamant for added attack

Electivire @ Life Orb Mild
Evs: 76 attack, 252 speed and 182 spa
Motordrive
-Cross Chop
-Flamethrower
-Hp Grass
-Thunderbolt
Me likey. Go with Orb though, so you OHKO blissey pl0x
Oh and Gyara/Vire is meh :p
I like this Electivire, it covers quite a big group. Cross Chop vs Normal type (or any type that's weak to fighthing). Flamethrower 1HKO's most grass type and 2HKO's steel type most of the time. Hp grass for rock, ground etc... Thunderbolt for STAB

Gengar @ Life Orb Naive
Evs: 40 Att, 252 Spd, 216 Sp. Att
Levitate
-Explosion
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
You need the Neutral for Att to OHKO bliss with Explosion. This set ALSO needs an orb O.O Don't remove your Ghost/Fighting combo, thats the best typing in teh game imo.
Hp Ice for dragons, Shadow Ball vs other ghosts. Thunderbolt for anything thats weak to electric and Explosion when he's low hp.

Heracross @ choice Scarf Jolly/Adament
Evs: 6 hp, 252 attack, 252 speed
Guts
-Close Combat
-Earthquake
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
dude Seriously you lack a late Gamer, or a revenge killer... so lets make this guy some what of what you need :D
Jolly is prefered as you will then outpace base 130's and can do quite a good bit of damage as well. Adament isn't bad, but things like alakazam with base 120 and a +speed nature will then outspeed and probably OHKO you.
This is a good strong bug. Close Combat for STAB. Earthquake for fire. Megahorn for STAB and vs grass and psychic. Stone Edge for flying.

Blissey @ Leftovers Calm
Evs: 252 Def, 80 sp. att, 176 Sp.Def
Natural Cure
-Thunder Wave/Toxic
-Ice Beam
-Softboiled
-Seismic Toss
*cries* Fix this spread please.
Your team lacks status, so this Blissey MIGHT help it out a bit. Twave is to help out pokes like your Scarf dude from being out run by other scarfs and getting a sad OHKO. toxic is if you like getting in residual wars with other twave blisseys in a s-tall war. Seismic Toss is needed to win stall wars with the likes of Cune without rest, and other things like Raikou. Raikou isn't a big threat, but sub sets can live a ice beam or a tbolt after 1 CM. and with Stoss, he can't keep his sub up to go on with his CM'ing which will 2HKO your bliss. Never in your life forget to put 252 def EV's on blissey. you are asking to get demolished other wise.
Again the overused pkm. I don't think i need to explain it except for the 6 speed, its to overun other Blissey's :P i lost a battle because my Blissey was slower than his Blissey (at the end, he used explosion to killed my sweeper and his, than it was Blissey vs Blissey) althought it doesn't happen often.

Pretty much, that team isn't that bad, i won a couple of battles with it (and got owned in other battles :P). If anyone of you could help me make modifications.

comments in bold

The team was a LOT of 252 sets, with major Lefties abuse. Sure LO takes some damage into account, but when you realize that it helps in a lot of situations its helpful.

Loads of teams need status, and support for synergy which helps a team flow. Revenge killers are always nifty, as things like Weavile can get a Free OHKO on said Gengar/Azelf and ruin your fun.

Remember Comments in bold.

 

[Ghi102]

Stricken and Legacy Raider -> Thats my team without the modifications, i forgot to change the first post...

Sc4rfCh0mp and Legacy Raider -> I got rid of Gyarados because he didn't do much when i battled and also i needed a physical wall.

Thanks for all comment on my team! I changed pretty much everything you said. Few exceptions :P. Please comment my team if you think i should change something.

 

[Skip Shot]

Azelf @ Focus Sash Naive
Evs: 252 speed, 252 spa and 4 Att
Levitate
-Explosion
-Fire Blast
-Psychic
-Stealth Rock
K

Steelix @ Leftovers Impish
Evs: 252 def 252 attack and 6 hp 252 HP/ 136 Sp. Def./ 120 Atk
Sturdy
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Roar
-Explosion

Earthquake for STAB. Roar because since Azelf will have a stealth rock on, roaring will make the ennemy get hit by the stealth rock. Explosion is when Steelix is low hp. Stone Edge for flying dragons.
Use that set or a Chimchar's Ember will destroy you.


Electivire @ Expert Belt Mild
Evs: 76 attack, 252 speed and 182 spa
Motordrive
-Cross Chop
-Flamethrower
-HP Ice
-Thunderbolt

He's actually kinda a mix sweeper. Flamethrower works well against grass types.
K

Gengar @ Wide Lens Choice Scarf Timid
Evs: 6hp, 252 speed and 252 Spa
Levitate
-Hypnosis HP Ice
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt

Don't what to say bout him :P.
Here's a thought: Hypnosis is still sucky in PLatinum, even with Wide Lens. Scrap it for HP Ice and either use LO or CHoice Scarf. Preferably Scarf.

Heracross @ Expert Belt Life Orb Jolly
Evs: 104 HP / 252 Att / 152 Speed
Guts
-Close Combat
-EarthquakeSwords Dance
-Megahorn/Pursuit
-Stone Edge

Changed to expert belt, again i said that i will not use a choice band, hate these things. I put Jolly because he still has 349 attack without adamant and might need to go faster than other pkm sometimes...
If your not going to CB Hera, at least make it LO SD Hera.

Blissey @ Leftovers Calm
Evs: 252 Def / 80 Sp Att / 176 Sp Def
Natural Cure
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled
-Thunderwave

The overused pkm with an overused set :P.

Note: I edited the team, changes i made from the original team are in bold. I think that's it...

You STILL need something to draw T-bolts towards Vire, or Vire is as good as George Bush ever was. I recommend putting in a Wish Vappy or Crocune>> Steelix. That way, you still have your physical defense in and you can draw in T-bolts to E-vire.

This, however, leaves you with no rock resist (Hera takes neutral from Stone Edge), meaning that a DDTar can tear through this. This is why you need to Scarf Gengar, so it can outspeed Tar even after 2 DD's and OHKO with Focus Blast.