Shooting down any advice given.

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No, the advice given is mostly to fit the pokemon with the team and what it needs. And saying "no" to it is basically shooting it down, lol.
 
airconditioning said:
The standards are standard for a reason. Why do you think nobody uses Wall Weavile?

Also, there are a lot of different Pokemon used in standard play, many of which can fill multiple roles. When you see a Garchomp, you don't know its build. It could be a Scarf Chomp and outspeed your sweeper, or it could be a Chainchomp and destroy your wall. And what happens if someone uses a UU? It's mind games like these that make the metagame interesting. Frankly, you sound like someone who's never played a real battle against a skilled opponent.
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yeh and that i dont mind it's just when everyone has the exact same team as everyone elce which DOES seem to be the case at the moment(or maybe it just the ammount of noobs who are too lazy to think up there own teams) it makes the game extreamly boring and unchallanging.
 
Hey Itachi! Way to create a good flamewar thread!
 
Its more of a debate.

Also, if everyone uses the same team, it isn't boring. Plenty of strategies can made, skill isn't the same. It isn't the pokemon themselves that makes a team good.
 
Skill does come into it... I mean consider the following, 2 players using SkarmBlissDol (Skarmory, Blissey, Claydol) combo to wall an opponents Electivire

1st Player sees Electivire and switches to Skarmory
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Skarmory dies

2nd Player sees Electivire, contemplates Skarmory, remembers most Electivires carry Thunderbolt, and switches to Claydol
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Claydol is immune

Even if everyone used the same pokemon, with the same movesets... The battles would still be totally intense and based off prediction and skill.
 
sims796 said:
Its more of a debate.

Also, if everyone uses the same team, it isn't boring. Plenty of strategies can made, skill isn't the same. It isn't the pokemon themselves that makes a team good.
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actually, it's more everyone gang up on me instead of letting me have my own opinion and getting on with it.
 
This is what we mean. We aren't ganging up on you. We disagree. Plus, as the thread implies, you have given no real fact to back up your arguements. Besides, this was a message to the noobs, not a debate, your partially right.
 
sims796 said:
This is what we mean. We aren't ganging up on you. We disagree. Plus, as the thread implies, you have given no real fact to back up your arguements. Besides, this was a message to the noobs, not a debate, your partially right.
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yeh but when people dissagree with you there shooting you down, everyone is intitled to an opinion i was just sticking up for mine and get flamed for it
 
Where did we ever flame you? This isn't an opinion thread. Its stating fact.
 
whatever man, i just think that the game is starting to get boring because allmost everyone is using the same pokemon all the time, i mean there are allmost 500 of them, surely there are other pokemon and other movesets/nature ect that you can suggest for people along with the standards so that we can get a bit more variaty around here.
 
Now we lost sight of the thread. It isn't "I hate standards". Its noobs shooting down advice, with no real reason. You don't rate enough teams to know how that feels. Its annoying. If they won't consider advice, don't make a thread. Or have some reasoning behind it.
 
spike6958 said:
whatever man, i just think that the game is starting to get boring because allmost everyone is using the same pokemon all the time, i mean there are allmost 500 of them, surely there are other pokemon and other movesets/nature ect that you can suggest for people along with the standards so that we can get a bit more variaty around here.
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Not really. At least half of those 500 are pre-evolutions, which suck (250). And then, there are Pokemon that just suck altogether, such as the entire NU tier (200). Then there are UUs that are outdone by OUs, or generally just can't compete in OU (100). Then the Ubers that are too powerful for standard play (80). And that's really what you're left with.
 
sims796 said:
Now we lost sight of the thread. It isn't "I hate standards". Its noobs shooting down advice, with no real reason. You don't rate enough teams to know how that feels. Its annoying. If they won't consider advice, don't make a thread. Or have some reasoning behind it.
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well (this is just a suggestion) give them more options than just the standard, i do understand what you mean by them shooting down your advice for no reason must suck.
 
spike6958 said:
well (this is just a suggestion) give them more options than just the standard, i do understand what you mean by them shooting down your advice for no reason must suck.
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No. We give what works. As airconditioning said, you probably haven't faced real opponents, or else you wouldn't have this attitude.
 
sims796 said:
No. We give what works. As airconditioning said, you probably haven't faced real opponents, or else you wouldn't have this attitude.
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so you guys dont get bored of facing the same pokemon every time you battle, couse i do and i dont have a attitude i just don't see why you feel you can't make other suggestions, instead of the same 6 all the time
 
Angelic Diablo said:
Skill does come into it... I mean consider the following, 2 players using SkarmBlissDol (Skarmory, Blissey, Claydol) combo to wall an opponents Electivire

1st Player sees Electivire and switches to Skarmory
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Skarmory dies

2nd Player sees Electivire, contemplates Skarmory, remembers most Electivires carry Thunderbolt, and switches to Claydol
Electivire uses Thunderbolt, Claydol is immune

Even if everyone used the same pokemon, with the same movesets... The battles would still be totally intense and based off prediction and skill.
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And I bring this up again.

WE. GIVE. WHAT. WORKS. Not novelty. You need to battle more.

I never said your attitude was negative. I was commenting on your somewhat limited views.
 
People only rate what they see, if they have Mence/Nape/Vire/Skarm/Bliss/Weav, then that's what people rate. Hell, I love using Minun and it fails in competitive play. And if giving the standard is boring, then by all means, go find something new and see if it works.

But the problem is that there are only so many moves that benifit each Pokemon. I mean who the hell gives slow ass Herracross Reversal anymore? Who puts Egg Bomb on Blissey, who puts X-Scissor on Skarmory?
 
i try to battle as much as i can when i have time, but i also have a life outside pokemon and im not going to give that up to play more pokemon(well maybe when PBR comes out in the uk for now im stuck with netbattle and Diamond), and i know you say you give what works and i understand that, it just that there only seem to be about 6 pokemon that "work"
 
I'm not critisizing you for not battling, but it will give you more experience before you comment.

Also, we all have a life outside poke. But we still have more experience.
 
spike6958 said:
i try to battle as much as i can when i have time, but i also have a life outside pokemon and im not going to give that up to play more pokemon(well maybe when PBR comes out in the uk for now im stuck with netbattle and Diamond), and i know you say you give what works and i understand that, it just that there only seem to be about 6 pokemon that "work"
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Ah, the classic "Pokemon nerd" response. It's not like any of us have a life outside of Pokemon either.
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Well, I don't, but that's not the point.

And for the record, there are a lot more than 6 working Pokemon. Let's see, the Pokemon currently on the OU tier:

* Aerodactyl
* Alakazam
* Ambipom
* Azelf
* Blissey
* Bronzong
* Celebi
* Claydol
* Cresselia
* Donphan
* Dragonite
* Dugtrio
* Dusknoir
* Electivire
* Garchomp
* Gengar
* Gliscor
* Gyarados
* Heatran
* Heracross
* Hippowdon
* Infernape
* Jirachi
* Jolteon
* Lucario
* Machamp
* Magnezone
* Mamoswine
* Medicham
* Metagross
* Milotic
* Ninjask
* Porygon-Z
* Raikou
* Regice
* Rhyperior
* Salamence
* Skarmory
* Slaking
* Slowbro
* Snorlax
* Staraptor
* Starmie
* Suicune
* Swampert
* Togekiss
* Tyranitar
* Umbreon
* Weavile
* Weezing
* Zapdos

That's a lot of Pokemon (over 50), and that's not counting the BL Pokemon that are occasionally seen.
 
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