"smut for smut"

[Fox♠]

That's because here Christians are a majority so they don't really care. The same way white people don't care when people are racist towards them when they're the majority.

But I also agree with the point that it is a double standard. And even though I am Atheist, I do think that this is..a pretty bad way to get your point across.

That's the problem with the world today, people should care, racism is still racism and it should always be treated the same, as with bashing of religions, the whole "majority so its ok" stance the Western world has is upsetting.

 

[Captain Fabio]

That's because here Christians are a majority so they don't really care. The same way white people don't care when people are racist towards them when they're the majority.

Speak for yourself.

I get very angry if someone comments on me being white. I normally tell them to...
You get the idea.

The thing I hate is black people can be racist towards white people, but not the other way around because it is wrong. Sorry, why is it only wrong to call them? I hate political correctness.

 

[Constantinople]

That's because here Christians are a majority so they don't really care. The same way white people don't care when people are racist towards them when they're the majority.

Where is "here"? It must not be the same country I live in (America), as most white Americans (as well as Christians) including myself find offensive (namely racist) comments just as offensive. It just seems not to matter all that much to anyone else, including other members of the majority.

Anyway, I find the students' behavior disgusting, and I'm actually pretty surprised that people feel the need to be so offensive. I actually find this much worse than the Koran burning. At least the Koran burning was planned out of ignorance and a lack of foresight, not sheer malice.

 

[Fox♠]

Where is "here"? It must not be the same country I live in (America), as most white Americans (as well as Christians) including myself find offensive (namely racist) comments just as offensive. It just seems not to matter all that much to anyone else, including other members of the majority.

Anyway, I find the students' behavior disgusting, and I'm actually pretty surprised that people feel the need to be so offensive. I actually find this much worse than the Koran burning. At least the Koran burning was planned out of ignorance and a lack of foresight, not sheer malice.

The Koran burning was more of a threat anyway, with noble pretences.

 

[Livewire]

I'm not 100% sure in how they handle it over in the states, but in England if you get bullied or penalised for being Christian then everyone turns a blind eye. I mean in cartoons like South park, Family guy etc they always have parodies of jesus, and no one does anything, but if there was a cartoon of Mohammed people would go absolutely crazy.

I think its due to Islam being taken more seriously by Muslims than Christianity being taken seriously by Christians. Islam is a very rigid, strict religion, with no tolerance for things Christians wouldn't even notice, like Mohammed being portrayed in a cartoon.

 

[Fox♠]

I think its due to Islam being taken more seriously by Muslims than Christianity being taken seriously by Christians. Islam is a very rigid, strict religion, with no tolerance for things Christians wouldn't even notice, like Mohammed being portrayed in a cartoon.

I'm sure Christians get just as offended when Jesus is potrayed totting two assualt rifles killing Iraqis alongside Santa in South park. Or how Catholics must feel when their priests are constantly portrayed as Paedophiles.

You were one of the members against the quoran burning iirc, how is this any different?

 

[doesn't matter]

I think its due to Islam being taken more seriously by Muslims than Christianity being taken seriously by Christians. Islam is a very rigid, strict religion, with no tolerance for things Christians wouldn't even notice, like Mohammed being portrayed in a cartoon.

No. It's because everyone caters to Muslims, sucking up and raising them to an elevated status, while Christians are spat upon everywhere. This may seem like an exaggeration but when you compare the world falling over themselves to apologise to Muslims over a few cartoons, and then the relative complete silence over Jesus in a jar full of urine, then you might be able to understand.

Though then again, Christians aren't the ones threatening to kill people...

 

[Captain Fabio]

No. It's because everyone caters to Muslims, sucking up and raising them to an elevated status, while Christians are spat upon everywhere. This may seem like an exaggeration but when you compare the world falling over themselves to apologise to Muslims over a few cartoons, and then the relative complete silence over Jesus in a jar full of urine, then you might be able to understand.

Though then again, Christians aren't the ones threatening to kill people...

Not like that here. Muslims are abused a lot here and rightly so, in my opinion.
They come into our country, take our benefits and a lot don't give anything back to society. Of course, some do, but I saw a group of muslims, adults and children and the parents were talking about how rubbish this country, England, was.

They were talking about the government and how awful everything was done here. It got me so angry I actually turned around and said 'why don't you go back home then? If you don't like where you are living, then go live somewhere else.' Too which I got the reply.
'We get treated better here and get more money for doing nothing.'

I raged so much I had to walk away from them; I won't repeat what I said though.

It is harder to spot a Christian, unless you are outside a Church, which makes Muslims an easier target for abuse.

 

[Livewire]

No. It's because everyone caters to Muslims, sucking up and raising them to an elevated status, while Christians are spat upon everywhere. This may seem like an exaggeration but when you compare the world falling over themselves to apologise to Muslims over a few cartoons, and then the relative complete silence over Jesus in a jar full of urine, then you might be able to understand.

Though then again, Christians aren't the ones threatening to kill people...

That just proves my point. Christianity isn't taken as seriously as Islam is. So It's alright to do that, because they don't care enough. You also need to factor in cultural differences. Most Islamic countries are Theocracies, where religion is the law. It is very strict, with no margin for error. That's why Saudi Arabia still stones people to death. Islam is the law there, and they respond to the perceived threats against their religion, just as anybody else would.

Though then again, Christians have killed/kill plenty of people too, (Crusades, Witch Hunts, etc) and secondly, the Muslims threatening to carry out those attacks are fundamentalist extremists, not members of mainstream Islam. You're under the assumption that terrorists = all Muslims.

 

[a_124x]

Crusades and witch hunt doesn't seem like a very valid point, considering it happened more than 100 years ago. I'm not saying it's fine, but iirc wasn't muslims the ones who made WTC collapse?
Terrorism =/= Junky religious killing. iirc you said you love history, then you could have known that in those times where religion was a strong part of the world and lots of myths occurred that time.

And they don't care enough? Maybe islam are the ones who take it too seriously? And if you think about people being offended go tell the Jews that, because um, who suffered 6 million casualities not too long ago? I'm pretty sure, or at least was told SP was mocking them too.
Oh, and not caring enough is not a valid point for allowing them to do it. Not taking it seriously still doesn't justifies it.

Then again I might be just wrong and don't see your point. Argh I feel this is a stupid post.

 

[Livewire]

Crusades and witch hunt doesn't seem like a very valid point, considering it happened more than 100 years ago. I'm not saying it's fine, but iirc wasn't muslims the ones who made WTC collapse?
Terrorism =/= Junky religious killing. iirc you said you love history, then you could have known that in those times where religion was a strong part of the world and lots of myths occurred that time.

And they don't care enough? Maybe islam are the ones who take it too seriously? And if you think about people being offended go tell the Jews that, because um, who suffered 6 million casualities not too long ago? I'm pretty sure, or at least was told SP was mocking them too.
Oh, and not caring enough is not a valid point for allowing them to do it. Not taking it seriously still doesn't justifies it.

Then again I might be just wrong and don't see your point. Argh I feel this is a stupid post.

The Puritans in charge of the early American colonial governments actively sought out innocent Women, and some men who were different, and in the mass hysteria and confusion, murdered a million people in the name of the church during the 17th century.

The invading christian armies waltzed into Jerusalem, burned, pillaged and plundered the entire city, and killed its inhabitants- Men, women and children. Terrorism isn't limited to flying airplanes into buildings, as people think.

Nobody, and no faith, is perfect. Everybody has some past screw-ups.

You're grouping Muslims with the terrorists. the terrorists are fundamentalist extremists, separate from ordinary Islam.

I'm not saying it's justified. Note the cultural differences I mentioned. That has a big impact on how we deal with religion, and how we perceive other religions. Christians themselves don't take Christianity as seriously as Muslims take Islam seriously. That's why we don't have riots over cartoons of our prophet, and we don't burn Saudi/Afghani/Pakistani/Iraninan flags in the street corner, because the USA is far more secular than the governments of the Middle East.

I think you did miss my point.

I'm sure Christians get just as offended when Jesus is potrayed totting two assualt rifles killing Iraqis alongside Santa in South park. Or how Catholics must feel when their priests are constantly portrayed as Paedophiles.

You were one of the members against the quoran burning iirc, how is this any different?

I wasn't offended by that because I can take a joke. It was funny.

Because the Quran burning was a deliberate, malicious act, and that pastor only did it to get his 15 minutes of fame and he saw it as an opportunity to stir up more ill will. He was exploiting a volatile situation for his own personal gain.

 

[Richard Lynch]

I wasn't offended by that because I can take a joke. It was funny.

Because the Quran burning was a deliberate, malicious act, and that pastor only did it to get his 15 minutes of fame and he saw it as an opportunity to stir up more ill will. He was exploiting a volatile situation for his own personal gain.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]

I'm against Islam as much as any religion, but I will say that Islam, out of all religions, still frightens me, because of the extremists. The Christian extremists can dangerous (ask any doctor who does abortions), but the Islam extremists take it to a whole new level, going so far as to declare "holy war", even in this day and age.

To me, Islam represents the pinnacle of religious destruction, because it can advocate destruction of anything, even one's self. That's scary.

I equate it to dealing with spiders. You can deal with a house spider with some ease, as there's not too much of a risk with bites or whatnot. Same deal with Christians: on average, they are non-violent. However, if you suddenly find yourself crossing the path of a Brazilian Wandering Spider (supposedly one of the most dangerous and venomous), or a Sydney Funnel Web, then extra care should be taken, because they can (and will) attack to kill.

Remember, I'm speaking about the extremists, of which there are far, far more Muslim extremists than Christian extremists.

 

[Livewire]

I'm against Islam as much as any religion, but I will say that Islam, out of all religions, still frightens me, because of the extremists. The Christian extremists can dangerous (ask any doctor who does abortions), but the Islam extremists take it to a whole new level, going so far as to declare "holy war", even in this day and age.

To me, Islam represents the pinnacle of religious destruction, because it can advocate destruction of anything, even one's self. That's scary.

I equate it to dealing with spiders. You can deal with a house spider with some ease, as there's not too much of a risk with bites or whatnot. Same deal with Christians: on average, they are non-violent. However, if you suddenly find yourself crossing the path of a Brazilian Wandering Spider (supposedly one of the most dangerous and venomous), or a Sydney Funnel Web, then extra care should be taken, because they can (and will) attack to kill.

Remember, I'm speaking about the extremists, of which there are far, far more Muslim extremists than Christian extremists.

I'll agree to that. mostly Like I said, Islam is held to a much higher standard by Muslims, therefore their reaction to threats is mostly disproportionate to the threat.

I tend to worry about the christian extremists more, because they're closer to home, like in my state. There are plenty of Ultra-Nationalistic, Neo-Nazi, KKK groups alive and well in the US. :/ But the difference being that the Extremist Islamic groups have teeth- They are an actual threat to global security.

 

[Fever]

Ok so I am going to reply to a few different things that people have said in this thread all at once.

Firstly, both South Park and Family Guy have done Mohammad parodies. They both got sued and publicly bashed for.
The parodies were hilarious, just like the parodies for Jesus that they do.

Secondly, I think they let black people be racist towards white people simply due to the fact that they suffered hundreds of years of racism and slavery at the hands of the white man. Its just a case of getting one back over an old enemy.

Thirdly, nobody and no group of people in the world is more discriminated against than the Jews. To be honest, everyone pays them out over something. Everyones heard the jokes about Jews and money. I think they have just learnt to laugh it all off by now though. I know Jews that laugh at Holocaust jokes just because the jokes ARE funny, and because they know its ONLY A JOKE.

What else, what else.

Muslims collapsing the WTC buildings.
I doubt it. As far as Im concerned that was a US government issue attack so that George Jr. could go and finish what his old man couldnt get done back in the day. To his credit, Saddam did end up dead, and America pillaged all the oil that they went looking for. There was never any weapons of mass destruction.

Junky religious killings = one of the early form of terrorism. In my opinion anyway.

Finally, and what I think is the funniest point made in this thread is that catholic priests are made out to all be kiddy fiddlers.
At its core its probably just a case of coincidence that they just happened to be priests and its just come out the way it has because of their higher standing in the church. The irish, a strict catholic country, well, half of it anyway actually made jokes about it when bishop Casey was found out to be involved with children.

One of these jokes was;
How do you play safe chess?
Put a condom on the bishop.

Hopefully nobody takes offence to this, it is ONLY A JOKE after all.

 

[Shanghai Alice]

Ok so I am going to reply to a few different things that people have said in this thread all at once.

Firstly, both South Park and Family Guy have done Mohammad parodies. They both got sued and publicly bashed for.
The parodies were hilarious, just like the parodies for Jesus that they do.

However, Christianity, like white people, is a standard of the West. It's always been there. Islam, though only 300 years younger, is still considered "different" to Westerners (Yes. There are a lot of Muslims in the West, and I realize that. However, I'm an American. In America, Muslims are still considered mildly out of the ordinary). Therefore, in this overly sensitive age of respecting differences (Except for those majorities. We all hate them, don't we?), Islam is not to be messed with. Or else you might offend somebody.

Secondly, I think they let black people be racist towards white people simply due to the fact that they suffered hundreds of years of racism and slavery at the hands of the white man. Its just a case of getting one back over an old enemy.

The Crusades are not a valid reason for me to murder a Muslim, right?
The Bataan Death march doesn't allow me to punch a Japanese fellow (Because shortening that word, while extremely convenient, is highly racist), does it?
Ruskis live and work here in peace, despite the Cold War, right?

Affirmative Action is a bad idea. Excluding "the crackers" from jobs isn't going to right the wrongs of the past. Only demonizing your hated enemies in rewritten history will.


Thirdly, nobody and no group of people in the world is more discriminated against than the Jews. To be honest, everyone pays them out over something. Everyones heard the jokes about Jews and money. I think they have just learnt to laugh it all off by now though. I know Jews that laugh at Holocaust jokes just because the jokes ARE funny, and because they know its ONLY A JOKE.
Eh, maybe the Koreans, but it's not as widespread.

Muslims collapsing the WTC buildings.
I doubt it. As far as Im concerned that was a US government issue attack so that George Jr. could go and finish what his old man couldnt get done back in the day. To his credit, Saddam did end up dead, and America pillaged all the oil that they went looking for. There was never any weapons of mass destruction.

Unfortunately, Great Britain and BP had already stolen most of it. After the CIA did their dirty work...

But collapsing two towers for Shi'ites and Jihads seems a little... extreme.

Junky religious killings = one of the early form of terrorism. In my opinion anyway.

Nah, it was over which group got to sleep on the top rocks in the caves.

Finally, and what I think is the funniest point made in this thread is that catholic priests are made out to all be kiddy fiddlers.
At its core its probably just a case of coincidence that they just happened to be priests and its just come out the way it has because of their higher standing in the church. The irish, a strict catholic country, well, half of it anyway actually made jokes about it when bishop Casey was found out to be involved with children.

It's a chance to slam Catholicism. That's why it's so big.

On the other hand, the German bishops issued a "We done screwed up" statement, and fixed it quickly, and nobody really noticed.

But gah.

The Catholic Church Sex Scandal is a huge farce. Where's the U.S. Government Senator Sex Scandal?

 

[Rucario]

I completely disagree with their views and I think they are acting in a childish manner.

But I support their 1st Amendment right to express their views. I would rofl if one of those student's ended up being under 18 and they got in legal trouble, though.

Exactly. Actually, they are probably a bunch of 14 year old kids who want to rebel against their parents by denying God to be cool. It's ridiculous. "Let's get more people to join our religious club!" I just don't understand it.

 

[Stellar]

I agree that they should carry on as per their rights, but I strongly dislike their methods. Rather than further their cause, all they seem to be doing is giving atheism a bad name. Who's going to attempt to understand a system of beliefs that compares religion to pornography? By attacking the beliefs of others they're simply promoting ignorance, and the only people they will ever appeal to are extremists like themselves.

 

[Dawn]

I agree that they should carry on as per their rights, but I strongly dislike their methods. Rather than further their cause, all they seem to be doing is giving atheism a bad name. Who's going to attempt to understand a system of beliefs that compares religion to pornography? By attacking the beliefs of others they're simply promoting ignorance, and the only people they will ever appeal to are extremists like themselves.

This.

It makes me sad that I don't see more people standing against extremists like this. This sort of immature, dramatic IRL trolling should be treated no less immature and deliberately offensive than it is.

Yet, it's not.

 

[Richard Lynch]

But gah.

The Catholic Church Sex Scandal is a huge farce. Where's the U.S. Government Senator Sex Scandal?

Let me get this straight... you're comparing Government officials paying for prostitutes (or cheating on his wife) to priests who molest altar boys? I don't quite get that. In my opinion, the church sex scandals should have all lawyers crapping in their pants for how these priests got off clean (if you'll excuse the pun there).

I'll say one more thing, to those who are saying these kids were immature:

Have you ever really truly read the Bible?

Besides the mass killings, there are plenty of examples of sex... and indecent sex, at that. Take a look at Sodom and Gomorrah. What happened after Lot and his two daughters escape, and spend the night in a cave? Look it up; it might surprise you.

Now also, let's use some logic here (something the fundamentalists have a real issue with, it seems). If you take Genesis seriously, and believe that was historical, then think about it... if human kind descended from two people... aren't we all taking part in incest then? I'm no biologist, or geneticist, but if you only have a mother and a father, then in the next generation, who's making nookie?

 

[Shanghai Alice]

Let me get this straight... you're comparing Government officials paying for prostitutes (or cheating on his wife) to priests who molest altar boys? I don't quite get that. In my opinion, the church sex scandals should have all lawyers crapping in their pants for how these priests got off clean (if you'll excuse the pun there).

Because one is human, and the other is not...?

Have you ever really truly read the Bible?

Considering the next paragraph, this line is really lulzy, but...

Besides the mass killings, there are plenty of examples of sex... and indecent sex, at that. Take a look at Sodom and Gomorrah. What happened after Lot and his two daughters escape, and spend the night in a cave? Look it up; it might surprise you.

Yes, the Bible is dirty. I'm sick of the "Shocking Secrets of the Catholic Church" that people dig up, and hope that the Pope will commit suicide in disbelief.

It's not happening. We proudly claim Ezekiel as well. But... Shh... Don't tell anyone, or else it might be headline news.

Now also, let's use some logic here (something the fundamentalists have a real issue with, it seems).

Yes, because being close-minded and religious is much worse than being close-minded and scientific (Yes. I just used those two together).

Or, you know, you could read a little bit, know what you're talking about, and see the Church's stance on science.

But that would mean you can no longer plead ignorance (Oh, the irony...), so... I don't recommend it. The Church is evuler than Bush.

If you take Genesis seriously, and believe that was historical, then think about it...

You do realize that, in every Catholic school I've been in... We're taught that the Bible is not a historical account... right? The stories of the Old Testament are meant to be taken for the messages, not the meanings.

if human kind descended from two people... aren't we all taking part in incest then? I'm no biologist, or geneticist, but if you only have a mother and a father, then in the next generation, who's making nookie?

So... Umm... Are you saying that thousands of humans just happened to appear out of nowhere?

I'm not saying evolution is bunk (And I actually do believe in it. Yes, check that. It's actually logical), but I doubt that thousands of apes randomly made the leap into humanity at the exact same time.

Or, of course, you could just ignore the... err... *Gigglesnort* Inconvenient Truth of where all the humans came from. After all, incest is a nasty thing, and we'd hate for the earliest humans to act uncivilized...