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Spell Cleave - Help please [Gen 6]

feralig8rx

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    Hey guys!

    I recently beat Pokemon X and I decided to put a team together to try and get into competitive battling with my cousin.

    I'm trying to work with the fact that I'm limited to whatever Pokemon I can get from the game since the trading service isn't up yet.

    What I'm looking for: I want a team that "functions" in that I hit the basics correctly but they don't need to be 100% maximized. I don't really care about tiers since I'm mainly playing with my cousin for fun just so we can learn competitive battling together. So yes, I know I have a lot of RU and UU and an OU in here, but I chose the Pokemon I liked just to get some experience putting a team together.


    Spell Cleave

    Objective: Beef up Sylveon and Gengar's SpA and just dominate the opponents with sheer force, taking advantage of Mega Gengar. Aggron will be my physical attacker, although I'm looking at other possible options. I'll lead with a Tyranitar to set up rocks and try to counter other popular leads. I want to run baton pass with my support, Hypno, who will also provide some small defensives for my sweep.

    Lead: Tyranitar @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Sand Stream
    Evs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Speed
    Nature: Hasty (+Speed, -Def)
    -Crunch
    -Fire Blast/Ice Beam
    -Low Kick/Ice Beam
    -Stealth Rock

    Taken from Smogon. Guarantee a stealth rock set up w/focus sash, get an attack or two up if necessary. Tyranitar has a nice STAB with crunch so I can take care of early leaders like Espeon.

    SS: Gengar @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
    -Shadow Ball
    -Focus Blast
    -Hidden Power Ice
    -Thunderbolt

    Taken from Smogon. I want to have mega on this. Boost up this SpA with my support, Hypno, and then sweep the team with my oversized Gengar. Thunderbolt to counter Gyarados and whatnot.

    SS: Sylveon @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Pixilate
    Evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Timid
    -Hyper Voice
    -Moonblast
    -Calm Mind
    -Shadowball

    Calm mind, boost my SpA if I switch out of my Gengar. Shadowball for coverage. Nothing special here, but not sure if this moveset/EV set works. I am seeing a lot of bulky Sylveons for some reason.

    PS: Aggron @ Choice Band
    Ability: Rock Head
    Evs: 116 HP / 252 Atk / 140 Spe
    Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
    -Head Smash
    -Heavy Slam
    -Earthquake
    -Fire Punch

    Taken from Smogon. My Aggron is meant to break walls. Just annihilate anyone with this physical sweep. I want to have Fire Punch to counter Ferrothorn since I hear that's pretty common.

    Wall: Steelix @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sturdy
    Evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Relaxed (+Def, -Spe)
    -Stealth Rock
    -Earthquake
    -Gyro Ball
    -Roar

    Taken from Smogon. Pretty nice wall, able to block a lot and set up stealth rocks if needed, but I think I might switch out of it since I have Tyranitar for this as well. Roar to bring out another Pokemon into battle.

    Support: Hypno @ Leftovers
    Ability: Insomnia
    Evs: 252 HP / 80 Def / 176 SpD
    Nature: Calm (+SpD, -Atk)
    -Calm Mind
    -Psychic
    -Baton Pass
    -Substitute

    Baton passer for my team. I want to set up high SpA, pass it to my Gengar, then sweep. Have a substitute and set it up for my Gengar so that I can hide behind and avoid so much damage.

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    Any help is appreciated!
     
    I dunno how lead Tyranitar fares in the X/Y meta:
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Stone Edge/Rock Slide/Fire Blast
    -Stealth Rock/Fire Blast
    Nature: Adamant/BraveCareful/Sassy
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SDef or 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Assault Vest
    Ability: Sand Stream

    or
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Stone Edge/Ice Beam/Fire Blast
    -Earthquake/Ice Beam/Fire Blast
    Nature: Jolly/Hasty
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf
    Ability: Sand Stream

    or
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Stone Edge
    -Earthquake/Ice Fang
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 180 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe
    Item: Choice Band
    Ability: Sand Stream

    You mention Mega Gengar, yet you have regular Gengar with Choice Scarf. Wut? I'm asking this because Mega Evolutions are limited to holding their respective Mega Stones and no other items:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Sludge Bomb
    -Focus Blast
    -Destiny Bond/Taunt
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Gengarite

    Choice Scarf Sylveon is terrible. It's still outsped by non-Choice Scarf opponents with 115 Speed or above with +Speed natures, like Starmie, Alakazam, Dugtrio, Greninja and Jolteon. Use defensive sets, since Sylveon is bulky and not that fast. Choice Scarf also locks you into one move while Sylveon is in battle. Hyper Voice isn't available till Poke Bank. Even if it was released now, don't use it with Moonblast, since that's redundant:
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Moonblast
    -Shadow Ball/Hidden Power (Fire)
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Cute Charm

    or
    -Calm Mind
    -Moonblast
    -Shadow Ball
    -Hidden Power (Fire)
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 Spe
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Cute Charm

    Regular Aggron is terrible because of its 4x weaknesses to Fighting and Ground. Mega Aggron does everything it can do better, but since your Mega slot is taken up, you must replace it. Hypno and Steelix are terrible in standard. The former lacks offensive presence and is outclassed by other Psychics in general. The latter is outclassed by Skarmory. Take note that this team is somewhat vulnerable to Aegislash, so replacing all three of these Pokemon are recommended. A check for Aegislash includes Wash Rotom. Better Psychic supporters are Gardevoir and Reuniclus. As mentioned before, Skarmory is a better wall than Steelix, but to add, Skarmory has a better defensive typing:

    Wash Rotom:
    -Volt Switch
    -Hydro Pump
    -Will-o-Wisp
    -Rest
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SAtk
    Item: Chesto Berry

    or
    -Discharge
    -Volt Switch
    -Hydro Pump
    -Hidden Power (Ice)
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 232 HP/56 SAtk/220 Spe
    Item: Assault Vest

    or
    -Volt Switch
    -Hydro Pump
    -Hidden Power (Ice)
    -Trick/Thunderbolt
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf/Choice Specs

    Gardevoir:
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Will-o-Wisp
    -Moonblast/Psychic
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Trace

    or
    -Moonblast
    -Focus Blast
    -Shadow Ball/Psyshock/Thunderbolt
    -Substitute/Taunt/Calm Mind
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
    Ability: Trace

    or
    -Reflect
    -Light Screen
    -Memento
    -Moonblast/Taunt
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Light Clay
    Ability: Trace

    Reuniclus:
    -Calm Mind
    -Psychic/Psyshock
    -Focus Blast
    -Recover
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Life Orb
    Ability: Magic Guard

    or
    -Trick Room
    -Psychic/Psyshock
    -Shadow Ball/Hidden Power (Fire)
    -Focus Blast
    Nature: Quiet
    EVs: 192 HP/64 Def/252 SAtk
    Item: Life Orb/Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard

    Skarmory:
    -Spikes
    -Whirlwind
    -Roost
    -Brave Bird/Taunt
    Nature: Impish/Careful
    EVs: 224 HP/252 Def/32 SDef or 224 HP/32 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Shed Shell
    Ability: Sturdy
     
    Wow, thanks a lot for the help! I guess my team was further off than I thought...

    As for the mega gengar thing, I forgot it had to hold a stone, lol.

    Maybe I missed it, but do you have a suggestion to use instead of Aggron? I see you mentioned Rotom, did you mean to use this as a physical attacker?
     
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    Wow, thanks a lot for the help! I guess my team was further off than I thought...

    As for the mega gengar thing, I forgot it had to hold a stone, lol.

    Maybe I missed it, but do you have a suggestion to use instead of Aggron? I see you mentioned Rotom, did you mean to use this as a physical attacker?

    I suggested Rotom as a check for Aegislash. Garchomp and Zygarde are good checks as well:

    Garchomp:
    -Swords Dance
    -Outrage/Dragon Claw
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge/Fire Fang
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Lum Berry/Yache Berry/Haban Berry

    or
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge/Fire Fang/Fire Blast
    -Dragon Claw/Dual Chop
    Nature: Jolly
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Band/Choice Scarf

    Zygarde:
    -Dragon Dance
    -Outrage
    -Earthquake
    -Extreme Speed
    Nature: Adamant
    EVs: 104 HP/252 Atk/152 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Lum Berry

    or
    -Coil
    -Earthquake
    -Dragon Tail/Stone Edge
    -Extreme Speed
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Def/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers

    or
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk
    -Earthquake
    -Dragon Tail
    Nature: Impish
    EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Rocky Helmet
     
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