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Stage One poke team...

enyce

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    Yay, I have agreed to one of my few friends who play pokemons rules. We are gonna battle using only stage one pokemon.

    Rules:
    The stage one pokemon must have a stage two form. Meaning I cant use stuff like Houndoom and Milotic. (crud)

    Basic ruling (sleep clause etc.)

    Shelgon @ (item here)
    Nature: Lonley

    -Double Edge
    -Brick Break-
    -Dragon Dance
    -Dragon Claw

    Grovyle @ Salac
    Nature: Timid

    -Leech Seed-
    -Thunder Punch-
    -Sub-
    -Leaf Blade- Basically A mini sceptile without dragon claws.

    Machoke @ Choice Band??
    Nature: Adamant
    -Cross Chop/Brick Break/Focus Punch (cant decide)-
    -Earthquake-
    -Rock Slide-
    -Facade- I obviously know im going to need substitute if I FP, No CB if I FP.

    Vigoroth
    Nature: Adamant

    -Slash-
    -Counter-
    -Aerial Ace-
    -Brick Break- (shame it doesnt get swords dance)

    Kadabra
    Nature: Timid

    -Psychic-
    -Calm Mind-
    -Fire Punch-
    -Ice punch- (not much else I can do)

    Wartortle
    Nature: Bold

    -Counter-
    -Ice Beam-
    -Surf-
    -Mirror Coat-

    This is fun to use because wartortle has the defense to use these two moves. (counter and mirror coat).

    Give me items nature suggestions all that good stuff. I mainly need items.
     
    enyce said:
    Yay, I have agreed to one of my few friends who play pokemons rules. We are gonna battle using only stage one pokemon.

    Rules:
    The stage one pokemon must have a stage two form. Meaning I cant use stuff like Houndoom and Milotic. (crud)

    Basic ruling (sleep clause etc.)

    Shelgon @ leftovers/choice band
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly

    - Double Edge
    - Brick Break-
    - Dragon Dance
    - Dragon Claw

    Eq plz. Also if you are willing to breed, use dragon dance.

    Grovyle @ Salac
    Nature: Timid

    -Leech Seed-
    -Thunder Punch-
    -Sub-
    -Leaf Blade- Basically A mini sceptile without dragon claws.

    That's the set that works, dragon claw fails.

    Machoke @ Choice Band??
    Nature: Adamant
    -Cross Chop/Brick Break/Focus Punch (cant decide)-
    -Earthquake-
    -Rock Slide-
    -Facade- I obviously know im going to need substitute if I FP, No CB if I FP.

    Machamp =(

    Vigoroth
    Nature: Adamant

    -Slash-
    -Counter-
    -Aerial Ace-
    -Brick Break- (shame it doesnt get swords dance)

    Hm breeding .-.

    Kadabra
    Nature: Timid

    -Psychic-
    -Calm Mind-
    -Fire Punch-
    -Ice punch- (not much else I can do)

    lol encore ._.

    Wartortle
    Nature: Bold

    -Counter-
    -Ice Beam-
    -Surf-
    -Mirror Coat-

    This is fun to use because wartortle has the defense to use these two moves. (counter and mirror coat).
    no, yawn, Fpunch, surf, rest/sub.

    Give me items nature suggestions all that good stuff. I mainly need items.
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    Its not a weird idea, its called NFE.
     
    You almost never see anyone posting here about anything except OU, and that's a shame. There are several metagames out there which are somewhat better, since the OU metagame is really limited to about 20-30 standards. I do get fed up with seeing the same Pokemon over again.

    In case you don't know:

    uber: uber/legendary, uses the legendaries that most people ban/clause for good reason in standard play (examples Mewtwo, Deoxys, Lugia, Groudon)
    OU: overused/standard metagame, the most commonly talked about metagame, features unclaused legendaries (examples Salamence, Metagross, Gengar, Zapdos)
    BL: borderline, Pokemon that can't quite cut it against OU but work fine against most others or with some team support. (examples Houndoom, Blaziken, Claydol)
    UU: underused/underappreciated, below the borderlines but can just about hold their own (examples Gligar, Solrock, Fearow)
    NU: never used, Pokemon that have such low stats they can't really do anything, or are just never used because there are better choices (examples Raticate, Whiscash, Sudowoodo)
    UE: unevolved, usually used for Little Cup challenges and the like (examples Abra, Scyther, Chansey)
    NFE: not fully evolved, Pokemon that have a middle stage (examples Vigoroth, Shelgon, Kadabra, Machoke)

    There should be a sticky on terms like this (or is there one?)
     
    Smogon has tier lists I believe.
     
    enyce said:
    Yay, I have agreed to one of my few friends who play pokemons rules. We are gonna battle using only stage one pokemon.

    Rules:
    The stage one pokemon must have a stage two form. Meaning I cant use stuff like Houndoom and Milotic. (crud)

    Basic ruling (sleep clause etc.)

    Shelgon @ (item here)
    Nature: Lonley

    -Double Edge
    -Brick Break-
    -Dragon Dance
    -Dragon Claw

    Max Attack and Speed with Adamant. Jc, it doesn't get EQ.

    Grovyle @ Salac
    Nature: Timid

    -Leech Seed-
    -Thunder Punch-
    -Sub-
    -Leaf Blade- Basically A mini sceptile without dragon claws.

    No, Unevolved is too much of an offensive metagame to stall. Leaf Blade/Dragon Claw/Thunder Punch/Substitute@Petaya. Max Sp. Attack and Speed with Timid

    Machoke @ Choice Band??
    Nature: Adamant
    -Cross Chop/Brick Break/Focus Punch (cant decide)-
    -Earthquake-
    -Rock Slide-
    -Facade- I obviously know im going to need substitute if I FP, No CB if I FP.

    Cross hop/Rock Slide/Focus Punch/HP Ghost. Max Attack and Speed again with Adamant

    Vigoroth
    Nature: Adamant

    -Slash-
    -Counter-
    -Aerial Ace-
    -Brick Break- (shame it doesnt get swords dance)

    Substitute/Bulk Up/Flail or Reversal/Shadow Ball. Max Attack and Speed with Jolly

    Kadabra
    Nature: Timid

    -Psychic-
    -Calm Mind-
    -Fire Punch-
    -Ice punch- (not much else I can do)

    Substitute over Calm Mind @ Petaya

    Wartortle
    Nature: Bold

    -Counter-
    -Ice Beam-
    -Surf-
    -Mirror Coat-

    Won't work in UE.The metagame is too offensive
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    Unevolved/Not Fulle Evolved is too offensive to use many stat up moves seeing most pokemon can't take a hit. Any fast sweeper will make you cry.

    I see no stage one pokemon
     
    enyce said:
    Yay, I have agreed to one of my few friends who play pokemons rules. We are gonna battle using only stage one pokemon.

    Rules:
    The stage one pokemon must have a stage two form. Meaning I cant use stuff like Houndoom and Milotic. (crud)

    Basic ruling (sleep clause etc.)

    Shelgon @ (item here)
    Nature: Lonley

    -Double Edge
    -Brick Break-
    -Dragon Dance
    -Dragon Claw

    Adament w/ max Attack+Spd Only Mence gets EQ. Leftovers.

    Grovyle @ Salac
    Nature: Timid

    -Leech Seed-
    -Thunder Punch-
    -Sub-
    -Leaf Blade- Basically A mini sceptile without dragon claws.

    Gets killed before it can do any damage. SpA+Spd Salac

    Machoke @ Choice Band??
    Nature: Adamant
    -Cross Chop/Brick Break/Focus Punch (cant decide)-
    -Earthquake-
    -Rock Slide-
    -Facade- I obviously know im going to need substitute if I FP, No CB if I FP.

    Only 2 arms. >=( Facade can be replaced w/ HP Ghost. No Sub w/ CB Atk+Spd CB

    Vigoroth
    Nature: Adamant

    -Slash-
    -Counter-
    -Aerial Ace-
    -Brick Break- (shame it doesnt get swords dance)

    Breed. I like the Reversaler. Jolly. Max Atk+Spd Salac

    Kadabra
    Nature: Timid

    -Psychic-
    -Calm Mind-
    -Fire Punch-
    -Ice punch- (not much else I can do)

    No stat boost Max SpA+Spd Leftovers.

    Wartortle
    Nature: Bold

    -Counter-
    -Ice Beam-
    -Surf-
    -Mirror Coat-

    This is fun to use because wartortle has the defense to use these two moves. (counter and mirror coat).

    Sad Wartortle

    Give me items nature suggestions all that good stuff. I mainly need items.
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    I'm confused. Is this ingame? Replace the sad Wartortle.
     
    Use Leftovers on Grovyle if you want to SubSeed. I'm not familiar with the NFE speed tiers so I dunno how fast he is, although I doubt much is faster before Salac.
     
    No Machamp. =(

    Machoke (M) @ Choice Band
    Trait: Guts
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Cross Chop
    - Facade
    - Hidden Power [Bug] (70 power) / Brick Break / Earthquake
    - Rock Slide

    Double STAB for ingame because one of the moves have a purpose if your friends are smart and use JirChamp (Reflect). ;) Earthquake if they don't use supporting moves like Reflect/Light Screen, or HP [Bug] if it has perfect 70 power (which it most likely doesn't).
     
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    fyi, NB NFE Tournaments ban Kadabra, Vigoroth, and the like, but since this is in-game, it's no big deal.

    Anyways, Wartortle kinda sucks and trying to use Counter/Mirror Coat won't work well in this metagame. Marshtomp is the better Water starter:

    Marshtomp @Leftovers
    Nature: Brave
    EVs: 252 Atk/ some in Sp. Attack, put the leftovers in HP or Defense
    -Earthquake
    -Rock Slide
    -Hydro Pump
    -Ice Beam

    Metang is also nice, not because it has stellar Attack, but because it resists a ton of stuff . Use the CB version, just like you would a Metagross: Meteor Mash, Earthquake, Rock Slide, Explosion.

    Also, don't forget about Haunter. It can't learn the elemental punches, but it can learn a lot of other stuff.

    Haunter @Leftovers
    Hasty, Timid, or Modest
    -Thunderbolt
    -Psychic
    -Shadow Ball/Giga Drain/Hypnosis
    -Destiny Bond/Explosion

    All three are viable options for your sixth slot.

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    I cant use MAchamp in a freakin stage one game...

    Oh thanks AB, I always thought Wartortle was a bad idea.... It was jus fuller really

    I like Metang, and Haunter. Marshtomp is a mini swampert. I kinda got bored with swampert. I can see why Kadab is banned. But why vigo, Vigo doesnt even have triple digit stats.

    Kadabra has 120 base Sp.attack on the other hand
     
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