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Stealing

Because Nintendo makes millions of dollars with the graphics that a team of people have created and it really doesn't bother them that people use them.

A fan-game developer has more than likely invested huge amounts of time in creating half-decent custom graphics, for no pay, and we have no right to take that away from them.
 
I completely agree. I mean, if you were an employee of Game Freak, you would want people to use your work, that is what your paid for. But when it is just you, you don't have a team of people to work with, and you don't get paid, your work is very special if it is good.
 
^ heh. Now i feel like playing uncharted 2...
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I think rippers sould get credit.
custom graphics should definetly get credit. Getting mad at someone not giving credit make sense. Getting mad at someone using it- even though theyre giving credit- Is a little bit BS imo.

Any resorces from any game(even fan games) is up for grabs aslong as credit is given. Although I usually just make own/rip
 
Ravecat said:
I don't think something is free for use if the creator specifically states that it isn't.

You legally have the rights to artwork you create.
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Doesn't Nintendo have the same right then? They have the same rights to their creations as anyone here.

Personally, I don't want to take from the little guys, because they do it for fun and such. But if I really wanted/needed something, I would have no problem ripping it and giving it credit, just like I would from Nintendo. Not like I want to claim it as my own. Especially if the game it came from used things ripped from Nintendo in the same way. They really wouldn't have a reason to complain, would they? Also, in the fan game community, it's fairly typical to work for the good of the whole group, by sharing what you can. If anything you are more obligated to support the community than you are to support your own game which you made for fun. It would be different if you were trying to sell your work etc.

I think it's okay to ask for credit for rips, but I don't think it should be required, nor should the artists get all bent out of shape to find that they weren't given credit. Some tags on rips I've seen threaten to stop putting out rips if they find their work uncredited. It's a little too much.
 
I honestly never thought about it that way, I mean everybody knows the rule of thumb is to never use graphics, scripts or sprites without permission of the creator, but nintendo's stuff has always been considered fair game, probably because they are so far above most of us, the rift between us makes us think we have a right to use them. The same goes for ROM hackers, I mean they use a whole game.
 
"Because Nintendo makes millions of dollars with the graphics that a team of people have created and it really doesn't bother them that people use them."

I'm sorry but that is a TERRIBLE mindset, just because they're a big company doesn't make stealing right. You make it sound like we're all Robin hood :/
 
Poeman said:
"Because Nintendo makes millions of dollars with the graphics that a team of people have created and it really doesn't bother them that people use them."

I'm sorry but that is a TERRIBLE mindset, just because they're a big company doesn't make stealing right. You make it sound like we're all Robin hood :/
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And if we were Robin Hood, then anything we take, we should share, but that isn't always the case.
 
I agree with Ravecat for the most part.

The fact that fan games use Nintendo's material has never really phased me as I once read that Nintendo doesn't really mind seeing fan games out there.

The thing about stealing work from fan game developers is that it is frowned on by the community as it should be, the custom work put into games to be distributed on a non profit basis has a huge impact on what is morally correct and what is not.

As far as I am concerned, if you pay for a Pokemon game, and you rip tiles from it, you have a right to use them for a fan game if you really want to, on the grounds that you are not profiting off of it. Most tiles now days are just remakes off models the DS games use anyways so really the only part of it Nintendo owns is the intellectual property of it.
 
ЩѻƦḽᶑʂḽдƴƹƦ™ said:
As far as I am concerned, if you pay for a Pokemon game, and you rip tiles from it, you have a right to use them for a fan game if you really want to, on the grounds that you are not profiting off of it. Most tiles now days are just remakes off models the DS games use anyways so really the only part of it Nintendo owns is the intellectual property of it.
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Heh. I have yet to pay for a nintendo game. So whats your ruling there?

I just think, if you put somthing on the internet, then it's all fair game. Aslong as credit is given.
I've never really done it myself. I will not loose any sleep over it.
 
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ЩѻƦḽᶑʂḽдƴƹƦ™ said:
The thing about stealing work from fan game developers is that it is frowned on by the community as it should be, the custom work put into games to be distributed on a non profit basis has a huge impact on what is morally correct and what is not.
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Wouldn't that also apply to make a fan game with another fan game's resources? None of the fan games here are for profit, so you aren't stealing away money from their fanbase, nor are you using their works for your own profit. Is there any harm done?

Similar to what DarkDoom said, I only own two Pokemon games, and I have used art from other games I don't own in the game I have been a part of. Also, tilesets from newer DS games are recreations, yes, but this applies to more than that. Pokedex images for example, are pretty much straight rips. And besides just art, fan games with RMXP have scripts which can be useful.
 
Pablo49 said:
Wouldn't that also apply to make a fan game with another fan game's resources? None of the fan games here are for profit, so you aren't stealing away money from their fanbase, nor are you using their works for your own profit. Is there any harm done?

Similar to what DarkDoom said, I only own two Pokemon games, and I have used art from other games I don't own in the game I have been a part of. Also, tilesets from newer DS games are recreations, yes, but this applies to more than that. Pokedex images for example, are pretty much straight rips. And besides just art, fan games with RMXP have scripts which can be useful.
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Yeah... The only problem I have with your view is people don't exactly like having their work ripped when they spend more than 2 hours + on a piece of work to make their game unique from other fan games who were using the pokemon game graphics. I'm pretty sure most people would be annoyed if they wasted hours on making their hobby different only to have it ripped by another person. Also, Game Freak are fine with people making fan games of pokemon (apart from the whole copyright issues there are on Gen V) but yeah, if people said: "It's fine to use my stuff" then yeah.
 
Stealing on purpose isn't OK.
But then again, sometimes people don't even know they're stealing, or that they need someone's permittion to use something...
Also, putting something on internet isn't really helping you protect your property, is it?
 
If you have yet to pay for a game you are playing, then you are already doing something 'wrong'.

No matter how you try and look at it, stealing is ethically incorrect. if you don't care and are going to steal anyways then you should have no problem stealing from anyone. A valid counter argument is that what is ethically acceptable and what is not is based on values in which you share with our peers. So if you are part of the forty thieves then stealing is perfectly acceptable.

In the fan game development community stealing from one of your peers is frowned upon, and based on that you should form to fit the community you partake in.
 
The posts I have been making are not my exact views, btw. This is somethnig that came to mind the other night and I wanted to see what the general opinion was, and/or make you think about it. And I'm not arguing for stealing from peers and Nintendo, this also applies to not stealing from anyone, not Nintendo or users. As stated before, I'm just laying counter arguments for the sake of discussion.

Not paying for a game you clearly enjoy isn't good of course, I agree. Anything you enjoy so much, you should support correctly.

I personally think that you shouldn't take from your peers because it's their personal work for fun. But at the same token, if we are okay using things from Nintendo, we can use things from others in the same way, but not that I promote that. Using things in a respectful way, with proper credit and everything, may not be preferred by the original developer, but it shouldn't come as a surprise. I think any developer would rather see their stuff in a game, fully credited than find it without credit. They can always report it, have links removed and threads closed if they want. But if anything it gets their name out there more. And it doesn't cause much harm. But I am in no way saying you should just take whatever from anywhere. Of course anyone should try to find people willing to give out whatever you are looking for, or find team members to do it for you.

If a community frowns upon using from peers in the same way we use from the big guy (assuming you aren't just taking and using like it's your own), aren't we being hypocritical?
 
dragoniteuser said:
Stealing on purpose isn't OK.
But then again, sometimes people don't even know they're stealing, or that they need someone's permittion to use something...
Also, putting something on internet isn't really helping you protect your property, is it?
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I'd like to know one way you can steal something "on accident".
Every Tile Artist on DA says not to steal, so what do you just ignore the comments and steal away? People put their work on the internet to get praise and critique, btw.
 
do you mean steal as in use and claim you did it. no credit to the original creator at all.

or use, but give credit. even though the original creator didn't want anyone to use it?
 
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DarkDoom3000 said:
do you mean steal as in use and claim you did it. no credit to the original creator at all.

or use, but give credit. even though the original creator didn't want anyone to use it?
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The latter. Obviously you never use anything without credit or claim it as your own, quite disrespectful. This is about using something properly, with credit and such, but without the authors consent. Again, applying to both Nintendo/GameFreak and fan-game developers.
 
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