Super Single team help? (Breloom/Chandelure/Lapras)

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    I am trying to defeat the Battle Subway, as you could probably have guessed. I swept the Single Train with this team and am now attempting the Super Single. However, as of yet, I can't get past the first round. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG
    I have left notes below each Pokémon with my concerns about it. I welcome any and all suggestions for this team; if you recommend that I replace a Pokémon, I will consider it, though EVs/IVs/natures took me a while. (For some reason the Everstone method doesn't seem to work for me... o_O)

    1. Lonely Breloom
    Poison Heal
    w/Toxic Orb
    252 ATK/252 SPD/4 DEF
    24/30/11/24/26/31
    Leech Seed/Brick Break/Seed Bomb/Sky Uppercut

    - How effective is Toxic Orb/Poison Heal for a sweeper?
    - I feel like I could have something more useful than Leech Seed, seeing as I attached the Toxic Orb. Brick Break is useful when Reflect/Light Screen have actually been used, but this is often by Psychic-types, so it's risky to even have Breloom out there.

    2. Rash Chandelure
    Flame Body
    w/Charcoal
    252 SAT/252 SPD/4 SDF
    14/12/6/31/31/31
    Hex/Shadow Ball/Flamethrower/Overheat

    - What should I attach instead of Charcoal? I had been using that for the time being.
    - Is it stupid for him to have Hex when there's only a chance of burning the opponent (from Flame Body/Flamethrower)? Originally I had paired it with Will-O-Wisp but dropped that in favor of Overheat for particularly stubborn foes.

    3. Bold Lapras
    Water Absorb
    w/Leftovers
    192 DEF/252 SDF/64 SAT
    31/8/31/30/30/11
    Confuse Ray/Toxic/Ice Beam/Perish Song

    - So far she has been a pretty formidable wall, but I have to wonder if it would have been smarter to put EVs into HP instead of SAT. She only has one attack that utilizes that stat, so I dunno. I'm just one of those "offense-is-the-best-defense" types so I was hard-pressed to even include a wall :I
    - Should I go for a water-type attack? I built this team on the tried-and-true framework of Grass/Fire/Water, with subtypes to maximize STAB. Breloom can take care of Rock and Ground-types, but I don't know what to do about Fire.
    - In your opinion, is Lapras even good on this team? If not, what other Water/something-type would you suggest as a wall?

    Thanks for looking, guys, and do not hesitate to suggest anything. I welcome harshness. :D
     
    Check the quote, comments are in Bold.
    I am trying to defeat the Battle Subway, as you could probably have guessed. I swept the Single Train with this team and am now attempting the Super Single. However, as of yet, I can't get past the first round. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG
    I have left notes below each Pokémon with my concerns about it. I welcome any and all suggestions for this team; if you recommend that I replace a Pokémon, I will consider it, though EVs/IVs/natures took me a while. (For some reason the Everstone method doesn't seem to work for me... o_O)

    1. Lonely Breloom
    Poison Heal
    w/Toxic Orb
    252 ATK/252 SPD/4 DEF
    24/30/11/24/26/31

    All Out offensive:
    -Stone Edge
    -Seed Bomb
    -Brick Break / Mach Punch / Facade / Swords Dance
    (Pick 2)

    Defensive:
    -Leech Seed
    -Substitute
    -Focus Punch
    -Toxic/Protect

    Spore Punch*
    -Spore
    -Focus Punch
    -Substitute
    -Stone Edge / Seed Bomb / Facade


    *I guess this one can't learn spore? you need to level up as a Shroomish till it learns the move to get it. If you're able to get Spore, use the 3rd set.
    - How effective is Toxic Orb/Poison Heal for a sweeper?
    Trust me, It'll make your Breloom much more bulky.
    - I feel like I could have something more useful than Leech Seed, seeing as I attached the Toxic Orb. Brick Break is useful when Reflect/Light Screen have actually been used, but this is often by Psychic-types, so it's risky to even have Breloom out there.
    Well Uhm, I guess I got this kinda covered with the movesets, you can play defensively to drain away your opponents HP, or just Crush them with Breloom's High Attack

    2. Rash Chandelure
    Flame Body
    w/Charcoal
    252 SAT/252 SPD/4 SDF
    14/12/6/31/31/31
    -Shadow Ball
    -Flamthrower
    -Psychic / Calm Mind
    -Energy Ball


    - What should I attach instead of Charcoal? I had been using that for the time being.
    You could try to run this guy with choise specs or scarf, replace Flamethrower with overheat and Calm mind with Psychic if you do though.
    - Is it stupid for him to have Hex when there's only a chance of burning the opponent (from Flame Body/Flamethrower)? Originally I had paired it with Will-O-Wisp but dropped that in favor of Overheat for particularly stubborn foes.
    Don't use Hex, he's a bit fragile for that.


    3. Bold Lapras
    Water Absorb
    w/Leftovers
    192 DEF/252 SDF/64 SAT
    31/8/31/30/30/11
    -Thunderbolt
    -Ice Beam
    -Surf
    -Toxic/Perish Song


    - So far she has been a pretty formidable wall, but I have to wonder if it would have been smarter to put EVs into HP instead of SAT. She only has one attack that utilizes that stat, so I dunno. I'm just one of those "offense-is-the-best-defense" types so I was hard-pressed to even include a wall :I
    Well, you can get more out of her SAT with these moves, thats for sure
    - Should I go for a water-type attack? I built this team on the tried-and-true framework of Grass/Fire/Water, with subtypes to maximize STAB. Breloom can take care of Rock and Ground-types, but I don't know what to do about Fire.
    Use Surf, it'll provide you with STAB and can deal lots of damage, it'll also come in handy in case Breloom's down
    - In your opinion, is Lapras even good on this team? If not, what other Water/something-type would you suggest as a wall?
    I guess Lapras is pretty good, it really needs Thunderbolt though. If you want to replace it, try using a Swampert or something faster like Starmie or Gyarados.

    Thanks for looking, guys, and do not hesitate to suggest anything. I welcome harshness. :DI wasn't that harsh now was I? The main issue with this team was the lack of variety with the moves, I think that you're able to achieve a lot more with these moves.
    I also got a thread concerning the Super Single challenge, maybe you can learn a thing or two from my tean too. That and I'd appreciate it if you'd provide me with some comments too.

    Hope this helps you!
     
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