Team # 3, rate/suggest

[ScizorRules]

Some things are pending, so feel free to give suggestions. Items are a little fickle ATM as well.


TANK

Lax Incense
Adamant Nature
EV Spread: 252 ATK/252 SP.DEF/4 HP
Dragon Dance
Taunt
Earthquake
Waterfall


PHYSICAL SWEEPER

Life Orb
Jolly Nature
EV Spread: 252 ATK/252 SPD/4 HP
Swords Dance
Night Slash
X-Scissor
Aerial Ace


DEFENSIVE WALL

Leftovers
Careful Nature
EV Spread: 252 HP/252 SP.DEF/4 ATK
Stealth Rock
Roar
Earthquake
Explosion


SPECIAL SWEEPER

Chice Scarf
Timid Nature
EV Spread: 252 SP.ATK/252 SPD/4 HP
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Tri Attack


SPECIAL WALL

Leftovers
Careful Nature
EV Spread: 252 HP/252 SP.DEF/4 DEF
Will-O-Wisp
Pain Split
Ice Punch
Shadow Sneak


TANK/OTHER

Lax Incense
Careful Nature
EV Spread: 252 ATK/106 DEF/126 SP. DEF/24 HP
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Fire Punch
Ice Beam

 

[Anti]

Some things are pending, so feel free to give suggestions. Items are a little fickle ATM as well.


TANK

Leftovers
Adamant Nature
EV Spread: 252 ATK/252 SP.DEF/4 HP
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Ice Fang/Waterfall
Taunt


PHYSICAL SWEEPER

Life Orb
Jolly Nature
EV Spread: 252 ATK/252 SPD/4 HP
Swords Dance
Night Slash
Ice Punch
Aerial Ace/Brick Break?


DEFENSIVE WALL

Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
EV Spread: 252 HP/252 Defense/4 ATK
Stealth Rock
Gyro Ball
Earthquake
Explosion


SPECIAL SWEEPER

Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
EV Spread: 252 SP.ATK/252 SPD/4 HP
Tri Attack
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse


SPECIAL WALL

Leftovers
Careful Nature
EV Spread: 252 HP/252 SP.DEF/4 DEF
Will-O-Wisp/Thunderpunch
Ice Punch
Pain Split
Shadow Sneak


TANK/OTHER

Life Orb/Leftovers
Jolly/Adamant Nature
EV Spread: 252 ATK/252 Speed/6 HP
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Fire Punch
Earthquake

Allow me to explain. Tauntrados is far better than DDing gyara. I recommend waterfall and EQ as your attacking moves. Now skarm can't PHaze us.

Weavile should be your lead. Focus sash lets you survive when you SD, and then sweep away.

Steelix, one of my favorites. Without Relaxed and Defense EVs, steelix can't take EQs all too well, making it fail as a physical wall...unless you do equip it with proper defense. Also, use gyro ball for a powerful STAB attack.

Porygon Z just needs Cscarf and modest...oh, and tri attack, and you're good. It needs the speed.

Dusknoir fails with focus blast or any other special attacks. I gave you my best moveset...more like a tank than a special wall.

Mostly good, but DD gives you 120 base speed after only using it once, so the speed EVs will pay off.

Overall, pretty decent team.

 

[ScizorRules]

Allow me to explain. Tauntrados is far better than DDing gyara. I recommend waterfall and EQ as your attacking moves. Now skarm can't PHaze us.

Weavile should be your lead. Focus sash lets you survive when you SD, and then sweep away.

Steelix, one of my favorites. Without Relaxed and Defense EVs, steelix can't take EQs all too well, making it fail as a physical wall...unless you do equip it with proper defense. Also, use gyro ball for a powerful STAB attack.

Porygon Z just needs Cscarf and modest...oh, and tri attack, and you're good. It needs the speed.

Dusknoir fails with focus blast or any other special attacks. I gave you my best moveset...more like a tank than a special wall.

Mostly good, but DD gives you 120 base speed after only using it once, so the speed EVs will pay off.

Overall, pretty decent team.

I question your fixes mainly because a few make no sense. First off, Weavile can't take hits, so Swords Dance is a no.

Second, I don't know what you're talking about with Steelix. Why should I put ANY EVs into Steelix? There's no need to go much over 400. His defense is even higher than that, and the nature and IVs do not help Defense at all.

Dragonite is already a Dancer and even EV trained won't beat much out without it, so I see little reason to put EVs (many, anyway) into its speed.

I forgot about Focus Blast being a Special. I'll change that.

I like Choice Scarf, but I don't like having to switch out if the one move I use doesn't work out. I'll probably do it anyway, though.

 

[luke]

All of his suggestions make sense. If you read what he said for Weavile, you have Focus Sash attached to him so he'll survive a hit that would otherwise OHKO him. Then you use Swords Dance and now your Weavile has enough strength to sweep. And even though Steelix's Defense is amazing, it still needs as much Defense as possible to survive the ever-so-common Earthquake. And yes, EVs and IVs do effect his Defense. I don't know where you got your information from, but it's wrong. Please, before you criticize someone's suggestions, please be knowledgeable on what they gave you. What Anti suggested are proven, standard move sets for the Pokemon you asked to be rated. It's tiresome to see all of these people ask for help, then criticize what was given to them.

Just remember that Gyarados is useless without Taunt.

 

[Anti]

I question your fixes mainly because a few make no sense. First off, Weavile can't take hits, so Swords Dance is a no.

Second, I don't know what you're talking about with Steelix. Why should I put ANY EVs into Steelix? There's no need to go much over 400. His defense is even higher than that, and the nature and IVs do not help Defense at all.

I forgot about Focus Blast being a Special. I'll change that.

I like Choice Scarf, but I don't like having to switch out if the one move I use doesn't work out. I'll probably do it anyway, though.

Glad to see you're thinking. No sarcasm. Porygon Z NEEDS the speed Cscarf gives it. Without that item, call it dead. That is a MUST. Otherwise, faster pokemon will blow it down with no problem.

About steelix. Being my 3rd favorite pokemon ever, I know how to use that iron snake dang effectively. It can only survive one EQ with special defense EVs. Max stats:

Defense-548-Woah! I know, utilize that.
HP-354-It'll get ya by.

By maxing its defense, it takes hits like skarmory does. Not quite, but rather close. My steelix, at lv. 100 with those two stats maxed took roughly 50 damge from a STABed mach punch from an EV trained breloom. Granted, mach punch has horrid power, but STABed on 130 base attack breloom, and with EVs, it smashes hard. Since steelix can't take special hits anyways, you might as well neglect that stat completely, though good IVs help. It is called a physical wall for a reason. Nature and IVs/EVs make all the difference with steelix. Gyro Ball hits VERY hard, and always use EQ.

As for weavile...did you read my explanation? With focus sash, weavile can use SD, take a hit and fall to one HP, and then sweep. Pretty simple...

EDIT: Oops. appears somebody already said what I just did...oops.

 

[ScizorRules]

Glad to see you're thinking. No sarcasm. Porygon Z NEEDS the speed Cscarf gives it. Without that item, call it dead. That is a MUST. Otherwise, faster pokemon will blow it down with no problem.

About steelix. Being my 3rd favorite pokemon ever, I know how to use that iron snake dang effectively. It can only survive one EQ with special defense EVs. Max stats:

Defense-548-Woah! I know, utilize that.
HP-354-It'll get ya by.

By maxing its defense, it takes hits like skarmory does. Not quite, but rather close. My steelix, at lv. 100 with those two stats maxed took roughly 50 damge from a STABed mach punch from an EV trained breloom. Granted, mach punch has horrid power, but STABed on 130 base attack breloom, and with EVs, it smashes hard. Since steelix can't take special hits anyways, you might as well neglect that stat completely, though good IVs help. It is called a physical wall for a reason. Nature and IVs/EVs make all the difference with steelix. Gyro Ball hits VERY hard, and always use EQ.

As for weavile...did you read my explanation? With focus sash, weavile can use SD, take a hit and fall to one HP, and then sweep. Pretty simple...

EDIT: Oops. appears somebody already said what I just did...oops.

Granted on Porygon.

As far as Steelix, like I said, is 500+ really necessary??? Seems like a waste to me.

with Weavile, you never changed the item. With Focus Sash I understand. I'll likely try it out. Thanks.

BTW, there was simply misinterpretation about what i said. I didn't mean to say IV/EV didn't help Steelix, I was simply saying that my Steelix has no IVs or EVs in defense and his Defense is over 400. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

 

[luke]

The better the Defense, the better the survival. You'll have Physical Sweepers weeping when they can't penetrate your Steelix. Trust me. I hate battling the Steel Snake. Your team looks good. Keep it up.

 

[Anti]

Yeah, the team is good if you just tweak the movesets a bit. LikePorygon Z pointed out, steelix NEEDS every last stat point of defense. You'd be amazed at how well it can counter electivire if you use prediction well. It can easily take 2 attacks from that monster, assuming both aren't EQ. Even then, with all that defense, it may be able to. It NEEDS the defense. Trust us.

 

[ScizorRules]

I'm afraid one thing hasn't swayed me yet, so I have to ask: how is Taunt any good and how is it especially good with Gyrados???

 

[Anti]

Okay, you must not have much experience. I'm not trying to insult you...it's just most know tauntrados is the best gyarados set...period. Here's why:

Pokemon X! Come Back! Go, Skarmory!
Gyarados used dragon dance!
Gyarados used (doesn't really matter)!
Skarmory used whirwind!

Bye bye gyarados...However, this can be changed:
Pokemon X! Come Back! Go, Skarmory!
Gyarados used dragon dance!
Gyrados used taunt!
Skarmory couldn't attack...

Just a rough example. Forces annoyers and Hazers/PHazers like skarm to switch. Very difficult to counter.

 

[ScizorRules]

Okay, you must not have much experience. I'm not trying to insult you...it's just most know tauntrados is the best gyarados set...period. Here's why:

Pokemon X! Come Back! Go, Skarmory!
Gyarados used dragon dance!
Gyarados used (doesn't really matter)!
Skarmory used whirwind!

Bye bye gyarados...However, this can be changed:
Pokemon X! Come Back! Go, Skarmory!
Gyarados used dragon dance!
Gyrados used taunt!
Skarmory couldn't attack...

Just a rough example. Forces annoyers and Hazers/PHazers like skarm to switch. Very difficult to counter.

I have experience, I just overlook things sometimes. That makes sense to me. I see that people don't use Skarm often anymore, though. I'll see what I can do.

 

[Anti]

You must be battling the weirdest people...skarm is the most OU physical wall in pokemon history. All others are inferior in some way, but that's more opinion. Skarmory is MEGAused, along with bliss, the stupid puffball. Anyways, that's why tauntrados is NEEDED. No other set on gyara is even close to as effective as tauntrados. IMO, either use that set or don't use gyarados. It isn't very versitile...

 

[ScizorRules]

You must be battling the weirdest people...skarm is the most OU physical wall in pokemon history. All others are inferior in some way, but that's more opinion. Skarmory is MEGAused, along with bliss, the stupid puffball. Anyways, that's why tauntrados is NEEDED. No other set on gyara is even close to as effective as tauntrados. IMO, either use that set or don't use gyarados. It isn't very versitile...

Done. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Anti]

Alright. So, any more questions? You might wanna edit that 1st post so we can help you more with your team, since we don't know the movesets you plan on using at this point. I'm off to bed, but I'll check for the update tomorrow and help out then. See ya'!

EDIT: Oops, realized you deited it. I'll check back in the morning to do a final rate. Hope I helped some.

 

[sims796]

Now, I use Tauntdos myself alot. It has single handedly won me many matches. Lets see...

Against one person, he wiped out 3 of my pokes, I used Gyarados. He used Ludicolo. I used Taunt, and Ludicolo could't use Leech Seed, which hurts. He used Energy Ball, I used Dragon Dance. He switched to Umbreon, I used DD. Then I used Taunt. Since his Umbreon had no attacking moves (which all Umbreon doesn't have), he had to switch, which led to my third DD. Needless to say, I tore him apart with Waterfall & Earthquake.

Tauntdos is the best.

 

[Anti]

Now, I use Tauntdos myself alot. It has single handedly won me many matches. Lets see...

Against one person, he wiped out 3 of my pokes, I used Gyarados. He used Ludicolo. I used Taunt, and Ludicolo could't use Leech Seed, which hurts. He used Energy Ball, I used Dragon Dance. He switched to Umbreon, I used DD. Then I used Taunt. Since his Umbreon had no attacking moves (which all Umbreon doesn't have), he had to switch, which led to my third DD. Needless to say, I tore him apart with Waterfall & Earthquake.

Tauntdos is the best.

Well said. It was great in 3rd gen too. The worst part is how tough it is to counter. With electivire, they make a great tag team (vire switches in b4 electric attack to boost that speed with motor drive). I'd consider that as well.

 

[sims796]

With enough DD under your belt, not even an Electrivire can stop you. However, it can be walled by a Brozong, somewhat.


True enough. They will be desprate to stop you, and will use electricity. Feeding Electrivire. Plays them like suckers.

 

[Anti]

With enough DD under your belt, not even an Electrivire can stop you. However, it can be walled by a Brozong, somewhat.


True enough. They will be desprate to stop you, and will use electricity. Feeding Electrivire. Plays them like suckers.

You know they probably have Vire, but you T-bolt them anyways. Sure enough, Vire comes in and gains a truckload of speed. I recommend maybe using electivire on your team as a combo with Tauntrados. You're right, it does play even experienced battlers like suckers. Well, now I'm REALLY going to bed. Any questions just post and I'd be happy to help, and I'm sure others like Sims would too. Alright, I'll check on this thread tomorrow. Ciao!

 

[ScizorRules]

Thanks all. I am a bit puzzled, though. This team is having a very hard time winning any Wi-Fi battles at all. I am still wondering about the movesets on my Sweepers because while they are good counters, they are rarely the type of moves I need (some of it is BS, though. Ask me how my Porygon-Z didn't kill Infernape with Psychic in one hit or how a Milotic took both my Sweeper's Physical and Special hits like they were nothing). Hoping for a fighting attack on Weavile (Brick Break?) but don't know how to manage this. Right now, my Sweepers can't do much to penetrate Physical walls.

 

[Anti]

My suggestion is a mixed sweeper, like infernape, since many physical walls are steels. Infernape should help that problem.