Team Platinum!!!

[Keyaki]

After asking related- questions and with help from Platinum i think i finally got my team fro Wifi Platinum metagame!

Advice and concerns are welcome,kthx

Scizor@Choice Band
Adamant Nature
6HP/252Atk/252Spd

U-Turn
Pursuit
Bullet Punch
Brick Break

Lead of the team, should be able to get rid of Aeros and their Stealth Rock leads

Infernape@ Life Orb
Naiive Nature
24Att/252SpAtt/232Spd

Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot
Close Combat

Pretty much the Mixed Sweeper of the whole team. Able to take on those Bulky Water types, the heavier the are,the harder they fall, lol espically with Life Orb and Nasty Plot. Close Combat is pretty much for everything in between, and Flamethrower, you know where thats going.

Staraptor@Choice Band
Adamant Nature
252Att/252Spd/6HP

Brave Bird
Close Combat
U-Turn
Return

Choice-Bander,Physical Sweeper

They do say that Staraptor is a great Choice Bander, especially with 2 powerful STABs along with Choice Band. Same as with Infernape, Close Combat is for everything else and U-Turn is mainly a "utility", letting Staraptor get a attack in before pulling out.

Lucario@Choice Specs
Modest Nature
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP

Aura Sphere
Dark Pulse
Dragon Pulse
Vaccum Wave

The Special Sweeper of the team, able to take on a whole bunch of different threats, tried this set-up in Shoddy and it really worked against both a Gengar and Dusknoir.

Starmie @Flame Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 136 HP/ 156 Def/ 216 Spe
Nature: Timid
~ Thunderbolt
~ Surf
~Trick
~ Rapid Spin

I needed a good Water Pokemon, i wanted to use Floatzel but its not that strong yet so 'ill have to go with Starmie, since SR is a popular move in the OU and since i do have a Flying type, I'm gonna need something with Staraptor. And Trick with Flame Orb after another of Pokemon faints, sounds devilish /gg

Gengar@Choice Specs
Timid Nature
4 HP/252SpAtt/252Spd

Trick
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Thunderbolt

I replaced Hypnosis with Trick to help cripple, hopefully help counter against Gyara

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

After asking related- questions and with help from Platinum i think i finally got my team fro Wifi Platinum metagame!

Advice and concerns are welcome,kthx

Infernape@ Life Orb
Naiive Nature
24Att/252SpAtt/232Spd

Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot
Close Combat

Pretty much the Mixed Sweeper Lead of the whole team. Able to take on those Bulky Water types, the heavier the are,the harder they fall, lol espically with Life Orb and Nasty Plot. Close Combat is pretty much for everything in between, and Flamethrower, you know where thats going.

Why would you lead with NPMixape? A lot of the common leads like Aero and Azelf still set SR up on it, and then can proceed to OHKO you with something like Earthquake or Psychic. If you want a leading Infernape, use Leadape:

Infernape @ Focus Sash
64 ATK/252 SPATK/192 SPD
Stealth Rock
Fake Out
Fire Blast
Close Combat/Encore

Staraptor@Choice Band
Adamant Nature
252Att/252Spd/6HP

Brave Bird
Close Combat
U-Turn
Double-Edge

Choice-Bander,Physical Sweeper and maybe 2nd Lead

They do say that Staraptor is a great Choice Bander, especially with 2 powerful STABs along with Choice Band. Same as with Infernape, Close Combat is for everything else and U-Turn is mainly a "utility", letting Staraptor get a attack in before pulling out.

Okay.

Lucario@Scope Lens
Modest Nature
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP

Aura Sphere
Dark Pulse
Dragon Pulse
Vaccum Wave

The Special Sweeper of the team, able to take on a whole bunch of different threats, tried this set-up in Shoddy and it really worked against both a Gengar and Dusknoir.

Why are you using Scope Lens? They're banned. I think you meant to use "Choice Specs," given your Lucario's moveset.

Carnivine@ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP

Power Whip
Crunch
Swords Dance
Sleep Powder

I always did like Carnivine, despite its Stats and limited move pool. It always has come out on top in the Diamond metagame and in Shoddy when i least expected.

Carnivine's still slow and frail, thus fairly easy to KO. Yes, Sleep Powder does give him a free SD (provided your opponent only has one answer to Carnivine), but when your opponent sends in a real counter, with his pathetic speed and no priority attack, Carnivine won't be around for much longer.

Floatzel@Leftovers
Jolly Nature
232HP/ 7Att/ 8Def/ 16 Spd/ 252SPAtt

Ice Beam
Aqua Tail
Crunch
Rain Dance

Rain Dancer of the line-up. Makes use of Swift Swim, along with its 16 Spd EVs able to out speed Gengar with Crunch, it also helps against the Dragons and Breloom ( if Staraptor or Infernape can't)

Eh... why Floatzel? Assuming your Infernape lives, then Rain Dance is only going to hinder him.

Dusknoir@Leftovers
Careful Nature
252 HP/ 76Def/ 180 SPdef

Shadow Sneak
Thunderpunch
Pain Split
Will-o-Wisp

Immune to Spikes, a counter to Floatzels with Crunch, and able to cripple Physical Sweepers, Will-o-Wisp was always fun for me.

meh

 

[wolf]

Staraptor@Choice Band
Adamant Nature
252Att/252Spd/6HP

Brave Bird
Close Combat
U-Turn
Double-Edge

Choice-Bander,Physical Sweeper and maybe 2nd Lead

They do say that Staraptor is a great Choice Bander, especially with 2 powerful STABs along with Choice Band. Same as with Infernape, Close Combat is for everything else and U-Turn is mainly a "utility", letting Staraptor get a attack in before pulling out.

Okay, problem here is that, how can you get a attack in before pulling out when you already used a move. I thought you can only use one move with CB. O.o I might come back for other things, I just spotted that and thought I should say something about that...

 

[luke]

Carnivine@ Life Orb
Jolly Nature
252 ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 HP

Power Whip
Crunch
Swords Dance
Sleep Powder

I always did like Carnivine, despite its Stats and limited move pool. It always has come out on top in the Diamond metagame and in Shoddy when i least expected.

As much as I love Carnivine, the other venus flytrap Pokemon does this better with a higher attack stat and priority move in sucker punch.

Victreebel @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk / 176 Speed / 82 HP
Ability: Chlorophyll

Leaf Blade
Sucker Punch
Sleep Powder / Encore
Swords Dance

 

[Keyaki]

Why would you lead with NPMixape? A lot of the common leads like Aero and Azelf still set SR up on it, and then can proceed to OHKO you with something like Earthquake or Psychic. If you want a leading Infernape, use Leadape:

Infernape @ Focus Sash
64 ATK/252 SPATK/192 SPD
Stealth Rock
Fake Out
Fire Blast
Close Combat/Encore



Okay.


Why are you using Scope Lens? They're banned. I think you meant to use "Choice Specs," given your Lucario's moveset.


Carnivine's still slow and frail, thus fairly easy to KO. Yes, Sleep Powder does give him a free SD (provided your opponent only has one answer to Carnivine), but when your opponent sends in a real counter, with his pathetic speed and no priority attack, Carnivine won't be around for much longer.


Eh... why Floatzel? Assuming your Infernape lives, then Rain Dance is only going to hinder him.

meh

Why would you lead with NPMixape? A lot of the common leads like Aero and Azelf still set SR up on it, and then can proceed to OHKO you with something like Earthquake or Psychic. If you want a leading Infernape, use Leadape:

Infernape @ Focus Sash
64 ATK/252 SPATK/192 SPD
Stealth Rock
Fake Out
Fire Blast
Close Combat/Encore

uh, no only one STAB and that barely hits, if i every get into a fight with Aero or Azelf, or if SR appears, I'll just wing it

Why are you using Scope Lens? They're banned. I think you meant to use "Choice Specs," given your Lucario's moveset.

I'll fix that

Carnivine's still slow and frail, thus fairly easy to KO. Yes, Sleep Powder does give him a free SD (provided your opponent only has one answer to Carnivine), but when your opponent sends in a real counter, with his pathetic speed and no priority attack, Carnivine won't be around for much longer.

we'll see, not like i have much choice anyway, Carnivine has always worked for me in the past and in Shoddy and the only other Grass Pokemon out there is Celebi and Breloom, and i don't either of them

Okay, problem here is that, how can you get a attack in before pulling out when you already used a move. I thought you can only use one move with CB. O.o I might come back for other things, I just spotted that and thought I should say something about that...

eh, im thinking of changing it to maybe Pursuit, but im not sure though

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

uh, no only one STAB and that barely hits, if i every get into a fight with Aero or Azelf, or if SR appears, I'll just wing it

It's still a LOT better than leading with NPMixape. What does he accomplish as a lead? Pretty much nothing. What can Leadape accomplish? He can get SR up, get rid of sashes on enemy leads, and even force them to run through Encore (if you opt for it).

we'll see, not like i have much choice anyway, Carnivine has always worked for me in the past and in Shoddy and the only other Grass Pokemon out there is Celebi and Breloom, and i don't either of them

Point still stands: Why use Carnivine when there are things that can do what he does so much better?

 

[Keyaki]

Point still stands: Why use Carnivine when there are things that can do what he does so much better?

Okay then, smarty pants, what do you prefer?

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

Okay then, smarty pants, what do you prefer?

Hmm... I don't know... How about... Victreebel, who actually does your whole "sleep and sweep" thing much better due to a higher speed stat (not to mention priority move in Sucker Punch)? How about Scizor, the premier physical sweeper in today's metagame?

 

[Keyaki]

Hmm... I don't know... How about... Victreebel, who actually does your whole "sleep and sweep" thing much better due to a higher speed stat (not to mention priority move in Sucker Punch)? How about Scizor, the premier physical sweeper in today's metagame?

sigh, well the only way for me to get Scizor is if I get it in a trade, and I don't really like using Victreebel

But i guess I have no choice:

Scizor@Life Orb
Adamant Nature
32 HP/252Atk/224Spd

X-Scissor
Swords Dance
Super Power
Bullet Punch

 

[Keyaki]

Eh... why Floatzel? Assuming your Infernape lives, then Rain Dance is only going to hinder him.

You got a better water type?

 

[Rinnosuke]

You got a better water type?

I strickly do Gyarados , Swampert , Suicune , Empoleon, the list goes on.....

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

You got a better water type?

I meant to say, why use the Rain Dancing Floatzel?

 

[Keyaki]

I meant to say, why use the Rain Dancing Floatzel?

Yea i see what meant by, though thats i have Close Combat

Close Combat is pretty much for everything in between

I strictly do Gyarados , Swampert , Suicune , Empoleon, the list goes on.....

Gyarados's Stealth Rock weakness scares me, I don't want to use any legendary Pokemon and i don't want to use more than one starter, you got another?

sorry if I'm being alittle difficult......

 

[wolf]

sorry if I'm being alittle difficult......

Hmmm... :\ Maybe Tentacruel, Starmie, Milotic (except she has bad coverage), Kingdra, Vaporeon, there is some more... You could use some Wish Support from Vaporeon. Starmie is a great sweeper, you could use bulky Starmie:

Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 136 HP/ 156 Def/ 216 Spe
Nature: Timid
~ Thunderbolt
~ Surf
~ Recover
~ Ice Beam/ Rapid Spin

Does very well if used correctly, it is also a great Gyara counter! =]

 

[Keyaki]

Hmmm... :\ Maybe Tentacruel, Starmie, Milotic (except she has bad coverage), Kingdra, Vaporeon, there is some more... You could use some Wish Support from Vaporeon. Starmie is a great sweeper, you could use bulky Starmie:

Starmie @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 136 HP/ 156 Def/ 216 Spe
Nature: Timid
~ Thunderbolt
~ Surf
~ Recover
~ Ice Beam/ Rapid Spin

Does very well if used correctly, it is also a great Gyara counter! =]

heh heh that'll work, i never really used Starmie before

 

[Anti]

Watch out though, Starmie is an unreliable counter at best, so being reckless switching into Gyarados probably is a bad plan.

I would just throw a Lirf Orb on it and go Ice Beam >>> Rapid Spin. you lose Rapid Spin but it kinda sucks anyways. LO Starmie is incredible with your opponent's special walls out of the way (and if they don't have one, you're damn tough to stop)

 

[Noir Lancer]

Infernape@ Life Orb
Naiive Nature
24Att/252SpAtt/232Spd

Flamethrower
Grass Knot
Nasty Plot
Close Combat

Pretty much the Mixed Sweeper Lead of the whole team. Able to take on those Bulky Water types, the heavier the are,the harder they fall, lol espically with Life Orb and Nasty Plot. Close Combat is pretty much for everything in between, and Flamethrower, you know where thats going.

As said before this really isn't all that good of a lead really.

Also the current EV spread is the standard I suppose, though you could opt for:

64 Atk/ 252 SpA/ 192 Spe

Which outspeeds Adamant Max speed neutral Base 100's, since 232 puts you ahead of Adamant Dugtrio, and no intelligent player using Adamant would dare to bring it on on Infernape.

You'd be better off using the anti lead Infernape here, same nature and suggested EVs except the moveset is:

- Fake Out
- Stealth Rock
- Close Combat
- Overheat

Lucario@Scope Lens
Modest Nature
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP

Aura Sphere
Dark Pulse
Dragon Pulse
Vaccum Wave

The Special Sweeper of the team, able to take on a whole bunch of different threats, tried this set-up in Shoddy and it really worked against both a Gengar and Dusknoir.

Not sure what Scope Lens is supposed to do here, did you mean Choice Specs?

Personally I don't really like Specs Lucario, it lost most of it's hype when it lost it's ability to 2HKO Blissey.

Instead you could opt for MixedLuke:

Lucario @ Life Orb
Naive Nature (+Spe -SpD)
68 Atk/ 212 SpA/ 228 Spe
- HP Ice
- Shadow Ball
- Close Combat
- Aura Sphere/ Vacuum Wave/ Bullet Punch

HP Ice is for Hippowdon and Gliscor, Shadow Ball for Cresselia, Dusknoir and Rotom, and Close Combat OHKOs Blissey instead of 3HKOing with Aura Sphere.

Unfortuantely even MixedLuke is outclassed by some extent by the standard SDLuke, though Mixed luke does have better coverage and is faster than the average SD Lucario. Mixed Luke would allow the freedom to use the aforementioned Lead Ape set instead since it's basically the same in essence.

Scizor@Life Orb
Adamant Nature
32 HP/252Atk/224Spd

X-Scissor
Swords Dance
Super Power
Bullet Punch

40 HP/ 244 Atk/ 224 Spd

Grants minimum Life Orb recoil for what it's worth.

Otherwise this is an ordinary offensive team where you are metagame weak if you cannot stay on the offensive.

 

[Keyaki]

Watch out though, Starmie is an unreliable counter at best, so being reckless switching into Gyarados probably is a bad plan.

I would just throw a Lirf Orb on it and go Ice Beam >>> Rapid Spin. you lose Rapid Spin but it kinda sucks anyways. LO Starmie is incredible with your opponent's special walls out of the way (and if they don't have one, you're damn tough to stop)

I know, I thought the exact same thing, Im thinking of switching with Vaporeon instead

Not sure what Scope Lens is supposed to do here, did you mean Choice Specs?

yes, yes i keep meaning to change it

As said before this really isn't all that good of a lead really.

Its not really lead anymore, i changed that

 

[Anti]

You know that Starmie is begging for Life Orb and probably max speed too. Bulky Starmie hasn't been good since the rise of offensive DD Gyarados and Yache/CB Garchomp. You might as well run the Life Orb EVs and item since the set works best with that really. Bulky Starmie can't counter Gyarados anyways so you might as well put the opponent on their heals and whatnot.

 

[Keyaki]

You know that Starmie is begging for Life Orb and probably max speed too. Bulky Starmie hasn't been good since the rise of offensive DD Gyarados and Yache/CB Garchomp. You might as well run the Life Orb EVs and item since the set works best with that really. Bulky Starmie can't counter Gyarados anyways so you might as well put the opponent on their heals and whatnot.

I know, i know

I looked on Smogon and even though the moveset is good it doesn't seem to have anything else

I might just switch to Vaporean, and have to rely on Gengar LO to take care of Gyarados at least with Will-o-Wisp it should be able to cripple it.........somehow