The ARPG

[Mana Lugia]

To Arcanine:
1) The URPG was not a part of the original Pe2K forums. It was formed in 1998 on Yahoo! Groups, and eventually merged into Pe2k after it had split with PC.

2) As for the reputation issue, I was actually addressing it to various members who have pointed out that Shuckle has a negative Reputation, and so this RP idea is bad.

You bring up a very good point about changing the way RPs work. I really can't answer you but say that at Pe2K, the RP forum is still active. Considering the overall activeness, the RPG forum is quite possibly equally active as this RPG, and many players of the URPG still RP often, if not more than they URPG.

If this is a concern of modship, I would like to note that I did accept compromise in having a mod do all the stickying for us and whatnot. In terms of insulting various prominent PC members, I have no idea where I have insulted a prominent member, nor do I really recall insulting, but perhaps it's just my way of dealing with people. Yes, my diplomatic skill needs work, but my diplomatic skill really should have no effect on the merit of this RPG, IMHO. But hey, Pc's call, not mine.

Edit: In terms of getting support from current RPers, I'd have to say I never supported the URPG back on my days in Pe2K, mainly because I only stuck to the strats forum (which I do now on PC too, but only the strats). However, one member who was a part of the URPG encouraged me to try it out, even if it was for one day. I did, and here I am trying to support this system on a whole new forum. I know not everyone's going to support it, but if one member joins, and (s)he finds it fun, and tells friends, then the friends might come. Maybe 50% of them leaves, but then we just gained new members, and word of mouth will spread and help this RPG prosper.

 

[Shuckle]

Yes, we have stated before that other mods can do the things needed, but we'd prefer for them to be Frostweaver and Kairi.

 

[~Ozy~]

Well, you see, people tend not to like being insulted. If they feel that you don't like them, they don't like you. The less they like you, the less attention they'll pay to your ideas. But it's not you mainly, it's Kholdstaire. I personally just want proof that this can effectively work as a serious RPG without interfering with the PC spirit. If people get too far into this, it could cause rivalries that carry to outside the RPG. That's not a good thing. Prove to me that this can work without touching the current RP system or harming the sense of community I've found here and my opinion might change. For now, I'm still adamantly opposed to it.

Edit-->And Kairi was de-modded, Shuckle. By her own will, I doubt she'd be quick to take a new mod position.

 

[Shuckle]

Well, you see, people tend not to like being insulted. If they feel that you don't like them, they don't like you. The less they like you, the less attention they'll pay to your ideas. But it's not you mainly, it's Kholdstaire. I personally just want proof that this can effectively work as a serious RPG without interfering with the PC spirit. If people get too far into this, it could cause rivalries that carry to outside the RPG. That's not a good thing. Prove to me that this can work without touching the current RP system or harming the sense of community I've found here and my opinion might change. For now, I'm still adamantly opposed to it.

Edit-->And Kairi was de-modded, Shuckle. By her own will, I doubt she'd be quick to take a new mod position.

I realize this. I had talked to her after she de-modded herself along with frost. Kairi has agreed to become moderator for these things if they go through. Frost has also said he'd think about it.

 

[~Ozy~]

Alright, that should have been clarified though. Otherwise, and no offense meant, but it makes you look like a bit of an idiot.

 

[Shuckle]

lol I perfectly understand where your coming from.

 

[Kholdstaire]

If you have not observed yet, no sencible RPer has approved the idea. And NO RPER that is loyal to PC's RP forums would even look at such a program. We're looking at a flood of newbs and tons of spam.

/me looks at your age

rofl

Me a newb? Get over yourself.

Just because its something new doesn't mean it is bad. And as we said, never in any of the posts did we say we'd change how you all RP as a whole. This is just a different kind of game.

Wow. You're really going to gain support by insulting us. Great tactic there.

I never insulted him. I went down to his level. He decided he was all big and bad because he said something negative about the URPG. If he wants to continue behaving like that, I'll treat him just the same.

 

[ravenstorture]

/me looks at your age

rofl

Me a newb? Get over yourself.

*Looks at post count and join date*

rofl

You are a newb. I'm not insulting you, I am just dropping down to your level.:)

 

[Kholdstaire]

*Looks at post count and join date*

rofl

You are a newb. I'm not insulting you, I am just dropping down to your level.:)

If you consider people nubs just because of their post count and join date, you really are a fool. I've been on Pokemon forums most likely longer than you have, and I without a doubt have better battling skills than you do.

So yes, I'm such a nub because I just joined ONE of the many forums I am on and I don't have 123847123490720 posts quite yet.

Battle me some time. I'll show you how much of a nub I am.

 

[ravenstorture]

And you know how many pokemon forums I have been to, how exactly? Yes you are going to be considered a newb here at PC because you have only been here for a few days. I don't really give a crap how many other forums you have been to before. And my honest opinion on this thing is this idea is most likely going down the drain. You three stated this idea and got on everyone bad side about it, and your Shuckle friend didn't help by trying to boss everyone around. I seriously think this is a quick scheme to get modded and sorry, but that is not going to happen.:)

 

[Flygon trainer]

/me looks at your age

rofl

Me a newb? Get over yourself.

burning people. what a GREAT stratagy.

tell you what. let's take a deeper look into what's going to happen:

Your RPG system is added

Old RPers: peh, what were they thinking? *proceeds to ignore*

New RPers: ooh, ahh, what a great system! *uses, proceeds to spam*

If you consider people nubs just because of their post count and join date, you really are a fool

a fool? a FOOL?!?! you've insulted two moderators, I'm sure that will earn you lots of respect from higher power.

 

[Kholdstaire]

I seriously think this is a quick scheme to get modded and sorry, but that is not going to happen.:)

You are seriously wrong. I didn't even expect Shuckle to ask me to be a mod for our RPG.

New RPers: ooh, ahh, what a great system! *uses, proceeds to spam*

Seriously dude, if you expect me to "behave" or anything, you'd do best not to disrespect me or anything I think highly of. The only reason I supposedly "burned" anyone is because they felt the need to use some aggression.

And I find it funny how you jump on my back about "burning" people when your older members are the ones causing the problems because, if following your calls for "burns", they were burning before I did. I'm all for getting along, but if you wanna talk trash, I'm all over it. I'm going to appologize right now for anything I've said, just because I know I get heated and lose my temper sometimes. But don't think my appology is an opportunity to jump at me again.

 

[Flygon trainer]

Seriously dude, if you expect me to "behave" or anything, you'd do best not to disrespect me or anything I think highly of. The only reason I supposedly "burned" anyone is because they felt the need to use some aggression.

I hate my job when I have to do this...

One, thank you very little, I'm a girl. Two, an RPG wouldn't be accepted by those of us that can coherently type. we RP, but we have nothing to do with RPGs. If you want the reasons, it's because it's interacting with other, intelligent humans, and ANYTHING can happen, and it is only limited by the genre. example:

RP: a fight can start in the air, adding a whole new dimension, and requiring complex thought process.

RPG: fight areas are incredibly limited.

Now, you can make a RP in an existing forum with all rules involved, and you'd probably get quite a few members.

now, as for my third reason no, from what I understand, this would actually take up more space then I deem nececary. A huge discussion went over to split the RP and writing forums, adding 4 new forums would casue total chaos, since it'd all be going toward the same basic system.

fourth, You said you've probably been to more forums then any of us. that may very well be true. but it makes me curious. were you banned from said forums, or did you just abandon them?

 

[Pogiforce-14]

Alright, this had got to stop. FT has brought my attention to this topic, and efven thoguh I hodl no power in this forum, you all need to be brought aware of your behavior. This is how I see it, completely unbiased and taking no sides. It's the harsh, unseasoned truth and take it as you please.

Shuckle apointed himself as one of the four as well as two others. Being he holds no power, any appointments should be done by PC staff. NOT the members.

Flaming. Being the proposing side started it, they need to watch their tempers. Getting offensive does not make friends.

Ft and other MOderators have not helped with the attitude problems by responding with their own. No one is acting maturely enough here. Two wrongs don't make a right. So my analysis is: Someone needs to close this. Now. Before tempers REALLY start to flare. The proposition has been denied, so this topic serves no purpose other than a flaming ground.

 

[ravenstorture]

I'm sorry, I got a little into it. Didn't mean to be rude. And, I agree with Pogi, this does need to be closed.

 

[Mana Lugia]

Oh for crying out loud, I leave for an hour and a half and this happens.

To the moderator who thinks we're looking for quick mods: I Gmod at Pe2K, I admin at the forum for Netbattle. I'm not even really active outside PC's Strats forum to begin with, what would I do with the mods for a specific RP? It's not like I can pick up a girlfriend by going "Hey baby, I mod this brand new RP at PokeCommunity, wanna sleep with me?" Alex's adamant argument of becoming mod has already been addressed, we discussed it and we found that a compromise works better, had you read my other posts first. Although your concern is noted, I don't feel it is a valid concern.

Dodger: Spirit of Competition to unite a forum is never a bad thing. Have you guys ever had events like a war in this forum? I haven't been here long enough to know. During the busier times of Pe2k, there were many teams formed, and in the summer, an event called the war was created, where each team competed for points in categories like art, writing, strategy, RP, and coincidentally, the URPG. Personally, I see no reason that the current RP system will be destroyed, since I've never seen an instance of that happening anywhere else. All we're asking is a chance to start this RPG. If it fails, it fails. If it works, PC gets more activity than ever. Or whereever we have to put it, but undoubtedly it'd never grow if it's on a seperate forum that offers nothing else pokemon related.

As well, Flygon_Trainer, we never expected every PC user to join this RPG, because that'd just be an retarded assumption. But what you're generalizing is very very broad. As I've stated before, I would never have joined the URPG, but word of mouth got to me, and I decided to try it out. Even if just 1 RPer joins this RPG, and finds it interesting, then (s)he will probably tell someone about it, and thus inviting other people to join. It's not just the newbies who will join this RPG to begin with, because the definition of Newbies isn't exactly given anywhere to begin with. For example, Khold is a newbie to PC, but he's been around the pokemon community since the GSC era, achieving a very good ability to battle, particularly online. However, I don't expect any of you to know this, since you've probably never battled via RSbot/GSbot/Netbattle before. Shuckle, on the other hand, is indeed adamant, but he truly cares about this RPG, which is why when we came up with this idea to save it, he was so enthusiastic in helping out.

Now, seriously, will you all cut it out with the insults and such? Granted, Khold probably should not have insulted you all, but look at your own behaviour. Generalizing a "newb" on the basis of post count? VB has an option to change someone's post count, you know. If I end up hacking in and giving each of us three 9999 posts, I doubt your impression of us would change, so why base it off post counts or reputation to begin with? I've said it before, it's the substance we're offering, not our clothing, that should be analyzed.

 

[Shuckle]

Alright, this had got to stop. FT has brought my attention to this topic, and efven thoguh I hodl no power in this forum, you all need to be brought aware of your behavior. This is how I see it, completely unbiased and taking no sides. It's the harsh, unseasoned truth and take it as you please.

Shuckle apointed himself as one of the four as well as two others. Being he holds no power, any appointments should be done by PC staff. NOT the members.

Flaming. Being the proposing side started it, they need to watch their tempers. Getting offensive does not make friends.

Ft and other MOderators have not helped with the attitude problems by responding with their own. No one is acting maturely enough here. Two wrongs don't make a right. So my analysis is: Someone needs to close this. Now. Before tempers REALLY start to flare. The proposition has been denied, so this topic serves no purpose other than a flaming ground.

Nothing has been denied except giving us mod powers.

 

[ravenstorture]

Now you, Mana Lugia, insulting a moderator as well isn't going to get you any respect around here. This is in the beginning stages of a flame war fixing to happen so I already PMed Steve to come close this. There is already a thread about this in the mod lounge, so I think the staff has all the info they need for right now.

 

[Flygon trainer]

Now, seriously, will you all cut it out with the insults and such? Granted, Khold probably should not have insulted you all, but look at your own behaviour. Generalizing a "newb" on the basis of post count? VB has an option to change someone's post count, you know. If I end up hacking in and giving each of us three 9999 posts, I doubt your impression of us would change, so why base it off post counts or reputation to begin with? I've said it before, it's the substance we're offering, not our clothing, that should be analyzed.

no, you'd be banned for beign a hacker. now, we have nobody saying yes, it was an excellent idea, but it seems not to be required. thank you for your time, and have a nice day.

 

[John Denver]

This thing...is just a flame war, and a guy wanting to be a mod. If you have an idea for a new forum, keep it simple and preferably through PM.

Meh, bashing...

~CLOSED