5th Gen The God Stone

[Nah]

I just remembered about this thing. The God Stone was a key item found in the coding of the Gen 5 games that looks similar to the Light and Dark Stones that are Zekrom and Reshiram's dormant forms. It was never officially released.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/God_Stone#God_Stone

Does anybody know what this thing's intended purpose was? Got a theory on what the stone does?

 

[Hiatus]

I'm guessing it might have something to do with Arceus, as it's supposedly the god of Pokémon. Maybe they were planning an in-game event for it, which they later scrapped? Either that, or perhaps it might've been related to Kyurem, since it's the third member of the trio. :P

 

[Xander Olivieri]

It didn't have any purpose. It had no coded information outside of the image code. It was the original concept for the Light and Dark Stone that was supposed to revolve around the original dragon before Reshiram and Zekrom became the focus. Despite this, it has nothing to do with Kyurem who at the time of Black and White had no relationship to Zekrom and Reshiram. Even had a separate origin story that was changed in B2W2.

It was just extra data, like Cacophony was in Gen 3. The God Stone's data was removed in B2W2.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I think that GF was originally thinking of using the stone for Kyurem's forme (I think they had originally planned one but decided on two at a later moment) but scrapped that idea and instead made the DNA splicers, so maybe the God Stone was originally a proto DNA splicers for sorts?

@ Khrysta You sound very sure about what you're saying, has GF said anything on it? (stating things as if they were facts can make one think that they've confirmed it).

 

[Xander Olivieri]

I think that GF was originally thinking of using the stone for Kyurem's forme (I think they had originally planned one but decided on two at a later moment) but scrapped that idea and instead made the DNA splicers, so maybe the God Stone was originally a proto DNA splicers for sorts?

@ Khrysta You sound very sure about what you're saying, has GF said anything on it? (stating things as if they were facts can make one think that they've confirmed it).

Kyurem had no form data in the original games, didn't even have a real connection with the two Mascots until they butchered the story to add in Kyurem into it with the sequel. They changed minor details from the original story.

As far as the God stone, it had no actual data in the game and the image data was completely removed in the sequels. This only happens when something was never meant to exist like Cacophony.

 

[Arc]

Kyurem had no form data in the original games, didn't even have a real connection with the two Mascots until they butchered the story to add in Kyurem into it with the sequel. They changed minor details from the original story.

Before B2W2, Kyurem had a lot of things about it that clearly indicated that it was connected to the two dragons. It's name is one indicator as it ends rem, with Zekrom ending with rom, and Reshiram with ram. It's movepool is very similar to the other two dragons. Even if no one in BW explicitly said that Kyurem was connected to the two dragons, it was pretty obvious that Kyurem was related to the two dragons. Also, Kyurem did actually have forme data.

https://pokebeach.com/2012/02/placeholder-for-kyurem-forme-found-in-black-and-white-coding

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Before B2W2, Kyurem had a lot of things about it that clearly indicated that it was connected to the two dragons. It's name is one indicator as it ends rem, with Zekrom ending with rom, and Reshiram with ram. It's movepool is very similar to the other two dragons. Even if no one in BW explicitly said that Kyurem was connected to the two dragons, it was pretty obvious that Kyurem was related to the two dragons. Also, Kyurem did actually have forme data.

https://pokebeach.com/2012/02/placeholder-for-kyurem-forme-found-in-black-and-white-coding

Kyurem has NO linking proof. Namesake doesn't mean much of anything as there are other Pokemon that have similar name schemes and aren't part of a set. Its Move pool was diversely inferior to Zekrom and Rehsiram, as well as had huge gaped differences with linked moves. Before B2W2 Kyurem was not connected to the Tao Dragons. It had a completely separate origin that was forgotten and rewritten in B2W2. Even with B2W2 Kyurem, who should have had the natural power to absorb the other two IF he was truly related, could not do so without artificial means. Someone in the past created a way to take the power from Zekrom and Reshiram and gave it to Kyurem through use of an item. Kyurem not being able to fuse with both at the same time and not being able to do so without outside intervention points to a fact that without human intervention Kyurem would have been left as it was.

Its not directly related and has a questionable background with its story magically changing for no reason and cannot even properly meld together without outside interference.

Yes, Kyurem had no actual data for an alternate form on Black and White but what's interesting to note is that allegadlly someone from the hacking community found a placeholder in Kyurem data as if it was meant to have an alternate form. Similarly in generation 4 someone viewed the data of Giratina and Shaymin and there was a placeholder for an alternate form. This lead to the speculation that these pokemon would recieve an alternate form in the third game and they did. surprisingly Kyurem recieved two forms based on Reshiram and Zekrom. Everyone was expecting a powered up grey Kyurem with lots of ice or something of that sorts. But it turned to be what we know today.

The data about Kyurem's form data was said to be false by other hackers on news gathering sites. Keldeo and Meloetta's existed, but there was said to be no data for Kyurem in B/W. It was at best a random add in.

Its fusion is 100% artificial as well. Its not a real form, its a forced form, similar to Rotom who possessed appliances. Gains power by stealing what was never his. Kyurem is a zombie space leech.


I do give props to GF for the obvious: "We've got nothing better, let's use the most popular fan idea." At least they show they listen.

 

[Nah]

And Although not in the game in the 15th movie Kyurem is able to take Reshiram and Zekrom's power without DNA Splicers.

You can't really use stuff from the anime to support ideas you have about the games. The canons are seperate and different.

As you said the story changed in b/w 2. Kyurem was confirmed in game that it was once part of a single dragon along with Reshiram and Zekrom by Drayden and most importantly Ghetsis. Plus where is your proof that gamefreak was just listening to random fan ideas and picked the most popular one? They might have this planned out from the very start for all we know.

I think she was saying that there was no in-game confirmation of a link between Kyurem and Zekrom/Reshiram in Black/White. They would obviously have to do that in Black2/White2, otherwise the whole game's story would fall apart. It's just a little much to go from no indication of a link to straight up saying that they are related.

Though one has to wonder why Zekrom, Reshiram, and Kyurem all have basically the same battle theme. If they weren't related, why not just use the regular legendary theme for Kyurem?
Kyurem:

Zekrom:

General legendary theme:

Though I wouldn't be surprised if Game Freak was just trolling us...again.


Anyway, I kinda wonder if the God Stone was originally intended to fuse all three dragons together. It's not an artifical construct like the DNA Splicers since Zekrom and Reshiram naturally form the Dark/Light Stones when dormant. The DNA Splicers may have just been a human attempt to merge the dragons back together that ultimately failed; Black Kyurem/White Kyurem is still an incomplete Pokemon since it only has one of the dragons fused to it at a time. They may have been unable to find/understand the God Stone or something. And then idk, Game Freak scrapped the idea because the resulting Pokemon would be too OP or there was some issues combining 3 pokes together.

@Khrysta: Zekrom and Reshiram don't have really good movepools either. Though I don't understand why Game Freak didn't give Kyurem Ice Fang...

 

[COOLTRAINER♂]

Game development's a pretty funny process. Ideas get thrown around, maybe planned, half-implemented then they might decide to forget about it and purse another idea that might have come up later, or even something earlier that was put aside due to time constraints / over factors. Certainly nothing's set in stone (haw) when you have the opportunity to go back and revise a game you've released to the public; but I can't speculate if they ever thought about it more after that - I wasn't there.