4th Gen The List of Uber Pokemon

[jigglyppuff8]

Chomp has been banned from OU for somewhere around a year now. It was brought into suspect some time ago, but that just helped to further prove that it was uber. In case you haven't been paying attention, I'll point it out again:

Offensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame with little effort.

With its base 102 speed outspeeding most of the metagame's base 100 speeds, respectable defenses that keep it from getting OHKOed by ice type moves if it's holding a Yache berry, and Swords Dance coupled along with its already high attack, it could sweep through the metagame pretty easily. Also, there's the detail about Sand Veil along with the common use of Tyranitar and Hippowdon for Sandstorm teams.

A Pokemon isn't uber because "majority rules", it's uber because it breaks the metagame and is therefore, broken. There's always been disagreements to Garchomp's ban, but that doesn't change the fact that it fits the qualifications of an uber at all.

 

[Empty Pot]

Chomp has been banned from OU for somewhere around a year now. It was brought into suspect some time ago, but that just helped to further prove that it was uber. In case you haven't been paying attention, I'll point it out again:


With its base 102 speed outspeeding most of the metagame's base 100 speeds, respectable defenses that keep it from getting OHKOed by ice type moves if it's holding a Yache berry, and Swords Dance coupled along with its already high attack, it could sweep through the metagame pretty easily. Also, there's the detail about Sand Veil along with the common use of Tyranitar and Hippowdon for Sandstorm teams.

A Pokemon isn't uber because "majority rules", it's uber because it breaks the metagame and is therefore, broken. There's always been disagreements to Garchomp's ban, but that doesn't change the fact that it fits the qualifications of an uber at all.

So in other words it's Uber? Everyone disagreeing is throwing me off. Originally I believed that just because Smogen says it's OU doesn't mean they're always right.

 

[dragonarche]

Shaymin Sky Forme is Uber, Land Forme is not.
Garchomp is erroneously Uber, if I could remove any two from that list it would be Chomp and Wynaut.
If I could move any one OU up to Uber it would be Heatran (also eithe Uber Latias or OU Latios)
Wobbuffet and Wynaut are aslo Uber.

lol i thought that all legendarys were uber
wait why is garchop uber someone explane

 

[Johnny590]

I dont know why people find this so difficult. The list of Übers is here:

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Maybe Garchomp is your favourite Pokémon, but its Über. That's the list of Pokémon people refer to when they say, 'No Übers', its not about individual opinion; its a list that is…



Its got nothing to do with breeding, and it doesn't mean the same thing as 'Legendary'.

The fact that Wobuffet and Wynaut are considered an Über makes me LOL so hard and yet we all know if a Wobuffet survives a powerful attack, Counter, Destiny Bond and Mirror Coat are going to own you so badly your jaw will drop in amazement.

:P

I still don't get why Garchomp is an uber, a good Ice type can destroy it. Same goes for a Dragon type using Dragon Rush or Outrage.

But it's pretty freaking powerful, so I'm not suprised if its banned.

P.S: What does OU stand for again?

 

[gregory_turner420]

i think it shouldnt be uber or banned because even its stats and movesets, i have a ev'd lvl100 chomp and i tested to see how well it went up against my others and it didnt get stomped, but it didnt just wipe everyone out either

 

[Empty Pot]

lol i thought that all legendarys were uber
wait why is garchop uber someone explane

Chomp has been banned from OU for somewhere around a year now. It was brought into suspect some time ago, but that just helped to further prove that it was uber. In case you haven't been paying attention, I'll point it out again:


With its base 102 speed outspeeding most of the metagame's base 100 speeds, respectable defenses that keep it from getting OHKOed by ice type moves if it's holding a Yache berry, and Swords Dance coupled along with its already high attack, it could sweep through the metagame pretty easily. Also, there's the detail about Sand Veil along with the common use of Tyranitar and Hippowdon for Sandstorm teams.

A Pokemon isn't uber because "majority rules", it's uber because it breaks the metagame and is therefore, broken. There's always been disagreements to Garchomp's ban, but that doesn't change the fact that it fits the qualifications of an uber at all.

That explained it pretty much all I knew about it d: So that explains why I guess.

 

[jigglyppuff8]

The fact that Wobuffet and Wynaut are considered an Über makes me LOL so hard and yet we all know if a Wobuffet survives a powerful attack, Counter, Destiny Bond and Mirror Coat are going to own you so badly your jaw will drop in amazement.

It's not that necessarily, it's more of the fact that they fit this category:
Support Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other pokemon to sweep.

I still don't get why Garchomp is an uber, a good Ice type can destroy it. Same goes for a Dragon type using Dragon Rush or Outrage.

Garchomp is strong enough to not be OHKOed by most Ice type moves if it is holding a Yache Berry. Also, Garchomp is just fast enough to outspeed all other Dragons, so it'll be killing them first, especially with outrage. Also, Dragon Rush is a sucky move not worth the risk when there is a move nearly as powerful without the factor of probability (Dragon Claw).

P.S: What does OU stand for again?

Overused

i think it shouldnt be uber or banned because even its stats and movesets, i have a ev'd lvl100 chomp and i tested to see how well it went up against my others and it didnt get stomped, but it didnt just wipe everyone out either

Just because that's your experience doesn't mean that everybody else experienced the same thing.


Garchomp is a freaking overpowered beast in the standard metagame. Get over the fact that it's uber yet not a legendary.

 

[LethalTexture]

After debating what to do with this thread (since it doesn't belong here in D/P/P but technically doesn't belong in Strategies and Movesets), I have decided to lock this.

If people want to learn more about the competitive metagames, they should visit the Strategies and Movesets forum for resources and links to the various battling information.

*locks*