The TV show is sexist!!!!

[Jorah]

Sigh, several people (notably one of my relatives) thought that the way they portrayed the women in that episode as loud whiney airheads was a despicable and sexist way to portray them, and that they didn't like how they portrayed them. Heck, ask your friends or your parents about whether that scene was putting girls at a bad light, and I'm certain they (or at least some of them) probably would say it is.

They weren't acting like "loud, whiney airheads", they were just going crazy over the celebrity and they were going crazy because they chose a celebrity that would specifically appeal to girls because it was "girls day" or whatever.

As for why I feel bad about showing it, it's because some of the people whom I show the video to on the net always seem to mock me (the responses to my Youtube Videos are a big enough testament to that), and Serebii.Net Forums/BMGf forums are also doing this.

I know, I've seen your YouTube videos...but this is just a clip, so no need to worry

Also, battles? Other than the battle against gym assisstant Sid, Oscar and Andy, and the dojo incident, when has May actually battled (Team Rocket and Contest Battles don't count, since they aren't true battles [in the case of Contest battles, they aren't even battles. I mean, Zoey, Scott, and Brock confirmed they aren't battles. {the former's obvious, and the latter was with how Ash's battling style adopted by May is actually costing her more than gaining, which implies that Contest Battles aren't battles.}.], and the Mirage Mewtwo incident was more pinning him down to have Pikachu deliver the final blow than an ACTUAL battle, anyways, so it doesn't count either.).

I don't want to argue about whether contest battles count a "real" battles because they can be just as entertaining - and some of them even more so - than gym battles. One of the best battles ever has to be May vs Drew in Battle Frontier at the grand festival

Considering how several people rely on their government, their teachers, and other people to know how things work, yes. Besides, I already polled several people in regards to it, so even IF I didn't believe my family, the mere fact that several people oppose this stereotype should be enough for me to realize that it's a bad stereotype.

People relying on the governement and teachers to do their job has nothing to do with what an individual thinks about sexism in Pokemon. You do not have to believe what your family believes, y'know.

And also, 4kids? heheheheh... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 4kids had their fair share of questionable innuendo. For example, in the episode "Havin a Wailord of a time", 4Kids edited the original speech of Team Rocket to be basically a Viagra reference:

Innuendo is not sexism, offends no one because it is not meant to insult or demean someone, whether intentionally or not.

Besides, they gave good advice "It pays to have protection" XD

you know, if sexism led to war, why is it that the whole Jynx controversy didn't lead up to WWIII against Japan?

It was racist...

Hey, you were the one who mentioned how there isn't sexism in pokemon and that people are taking things WAY out of proportion. I only used those examples and asked if people took sexism out of proportion in these as a counterarguement.

Which still makes no sense.

If you ask me, the only reference was when Team Rocket said "It pays to have protection!!" and even then, weren't they talking about something completly different?

I'll try and highlight the right words heh

"Meowth: "Yeah, that might be right up his tree. You know how the boss likes having anything just so long as that thing is the biggest or the best?"

Meowth: "That ain't all that'll be enhanced when the boss sees this!"

James: "There's no way we're unloading this priceless package"

Not so sure about the James line, kind of, but, um, get it now? I laugh at these lines everytime I watch the episode, but "it pays to have protection" put me in hysterics last time I watched the episode

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

They weren't acting like "loud, whiney airheads", they were just going crazy over the celebrity and they were going crazy because they chose a celebrity that would specifically appeal to girls because it was "girls day" or whatever.

Let's just say that the way they were portrayed was TOO exaggerated, and would have raised a few alarms (in fact, for a bit of similar females to act kinda this way and are acting like airheads [or Bimboes], try the triplets from Beauty and the Beast [assuming that you've seen it]).

I know, I've seen your YouTube videos...but this is just a clip, so no need to worry

Meh, some people even mocked my examples, even without the video.

People relying on the governement and teachers to do their job has nothing to do with what an individual thinks about sexism in Pokemon. You do not have to believe what your family believes, y'know.

Even if I didn't believe in what they said, considering how many people I told about the female anime stereotype and how it's bad also thought the same thing, then I would have been convinced by other people, and a significant amount not to mention.

Innuendo is not sexism, offends no one because it is not meant to insult or demean someone, whether intentionally or not.

Besides, they gave good advice "It pays to have protection" XD

Ok, but the quote from Jessie while wrestling with Seviper may be considered sexist, though (Dogasu considered the line to have been pornographic, which is a form of sexism.)

My viewpoint on TR's Protection quote is, the only "good" protection is not having it at all.

It was racist...

I was talking about AdvanceK9's Sexism=WWIII scenario amd how apparantly, according to him in regards to America's viewpoint, Sexism in Japan = we must fight a war against Japan and bomb it, and thus I said, if America were to fight a war against Japan for something like Sexism, why didn't they fight a war against Japan in regards to Racism?

Which still makes no sense.

Yeah, I know, It's hard to explain, myself. But, some people want Playboy to be completely destroyed due to allegations of "Sexism" and "Chauvinism" because of how they portray Women (both in terms of porn and how Women are portrayed as bimboes). I was commenting as to how, if sexism in Pokemon was way out of proportion, wouldn't something like the people who want to abolish Playboy be considered blowing things way out of Proportion?

 

[Ninja Caterpie]

You know, the guy created the thread to argue that it's sexist against males, and you guys are slightly going offtopic by arguing completely differently.

Well, into this argument, I agree with you both. I don't see HOW it works, but I agree with you both.

 

[thorn96]

Jeez! This thread is really getting off topic. Good thing it's getting closed soon...

BTW, S. Magumarashi, why are you posting here so much?

 

[Charaxes]

Well, we're getting off topic, I'll say, "stick to the male side of it." I'm not ready to close it, unless there is an actual reason, of course.

 

[~Skittlez~]

No, the show is NOT. Listen up, who wins the pokemon league? Who is the main character? Ash (And I'm pretty sure he's a boy.)

 

[Vernikova]

No, the show is NOT. Listen up, who wins the pokemon league? Who is the main character? Ash (And I'm pretty sure he's a boy.)

Fixed.

Spoiler:

My reason stands that it isn't sexist. If it was sexist, then with the appearance of Jun would have the show turning less sexist.

 

[Charaxes]

No, the show is NOT. Listen up, who wins the pokemon league? Who is the main character? Ash (And I'm pretty sure he's a boy.)

Yes, but he did crossdress thrice. Hmm. I wonder we'll get a fourth time? Hehe.

 

[Spinor]

Yeah, I still remember those times of his her his her crossdresses

Ashley
Practice Voodoo for Brock
Maid.

Probably the next time will be to fake one of Dawn's Elementary Reunion Party or something because Kenny will threaten her to expose lots of luv and shame if she comes, thus, Ash butts in and goes instead of her...

Crossdressing isn't sexist anyways, it's plainly a way to add comedy to a show. After Ash goes through her fourth crossdress, she will be scarred forvever o_0.

 

[Trap-Eds]

I'll try and highlight the right words heh

"Meowth: "Yeah, that might be right up his tree. You know how the boss likes having anything just so long as that thing is the biggest or the best?"

Meowth: "That ain't all that'll be enhanced when the boss sees this!"

James: "There's no way we're unloading this priceless package"

Not so sure about the James line, kind of, but, um, get it now? I laugh at these lines everytime I watch the episode, but "it pays to have protection" put me in hysterics last time I watched the episode

Yeah, I get it now. xP But considering how random this joke is/seems to be, I don't think it's all that big a deal.

I was commenting as to how, if sexism in Pokemon was way out of proportion, wouldn't something like the people who want to abolish Playboy be considered blowing things way out of Proportion?

When I said "you guys are taking things waaaaay out of proportion," I meant that we seem to to be making a huge deal out of nothing. We have to dig really deep just to find any evidence of sexism in this show. :laugh: Besides, I think the author of this thread was just wondering how come all the main male characters of the games weren't in the anime...long enough.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Yeah, I get it now. xP But considering how random this joke is/seems to be, I don't think it's all that big a deal.

Considering how Dogasu had the guts to reference this on a comparison of the episode in question, it seems to be that big of a deal.

When I said "you guys are taking things waaaaay out of proportion," I meant that we seem to to be making a huge deal out of nothing. We have to dig really deep just to find any evidence of sexism in this show. :laugh: Besides, I think the author of this thread was just wondering how come all the main male characters of the games weren't in the anime...long enough.

Hey, people say the exact same things about playboy that you said about the whole Sexism issue, and yet it turns out that the people who were working against Playboy, seeking to destroy it, are actually right in the long run, that it does demean females. I mean, heck, the whole thing about the girls in PvP, May, and Dawn and how they are portrayed (as being nothing more than fanservice objects/not allowed by the writers to compete in any Gym Battles/Leagues and just stick to contests, and being extremely airheaded and blonde-stereotype-like beyond belief). For all we know, if they don't see the error in their ways in regards to what they did at the end of Johto, then the next girl (if there is even going to be one, that is,

Spoiler:

considering how, truthfully, the ratings in both Japan and the USA for Pokemon, each season, are sinking like a Brick pretty much ever since AG started.

) will be someone of the "Love Hina girls" caliber in physical, emotional, and mental respects.

As for the males, yeah, it is a bit sexist (though then again, what's even more sexist is treating the female characters as though they are expendable while Ash and Brock are continuing on in spite of the fact that they ALSO are getting stale [in fact, they are getting stale in a far worser rate than Misty ever did.].).

Also, AdvanceK9, why must you act like Ash is female? I mean, it's pretty clear he's a guy, among other things, even IF he crossdressed once a female partner (I can't exactly say "series" as they are still the same show, even IN Japan. Otherwise, they would have replaced the entire cast by AG.). I mean, James crossdressed far more than him, should we label James as a Girl as well?

 

[Vernikova]

Char said that we should keep this discussion on the guys not the girls. So let's discuss them.

 

[thorn96]

I'm not ready to close it, unless there is an actual reason, of course.

Everyone is getting off topic, and talking about junk that has nothing to do with the original topic!

BTW, S. Magumarashi or whatever ur called, stop posting here all the time to try and get the option of making a blog!!!!
Is that reportable? I don't care if it isn't, cause I see your point, but your making this thread the biggest I've
posted in the whole few months I've been on PC. Can you please stop?

 

[Charaxes]

Everyone is getting off topic, and talking about junk that has nothing to do with the original topic!

Alright, fine. One more time, people. Don't make me sorry I'm giving this a second chance.

And go complain to S. privately, if you would. I don't want the forum to be dragged into it. Okies?

 

[Jorah]

Oh. I just thought it was "I don't think this is sexist, but this is" or, in this case, nothing. So I can't even reply blah.

 

[TIC TAC]

I wouldn't really class it as sexist myself, I think that they spread it out.