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they killed the good ghost moves...

Thraxxacor

GHOST + ELEMENT = You Knub'd
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    tombstoner... pain nail... pain splitter... [edit: perish song]... whatever did happen to the classic ghost-type moves?

    i realize they still exist, but in a different way... pain nail is basically 'curse' except pain nail would sacrefice much less of your hp, and YOU couldnt be killed by using it with low hp... and it would still curse...

    tombstoner was the 'flamethrower' of ghost type moves... had good attack power, and good accuracy, and was the best general-use ghost move...

    pain splitter i think is now just an ability for duskull... psh... in silver/gold, it was a buff that, when enemy attacked, it would do damage to them equal to damage recived, and if you die, they too automatically die...

    song of passing was a meh so-so version of 'destiny bond'... destiny bond is better in the fact that it only affects the enemy when the user dies... however, it doesnt affect ghost-resistant foes, and even if it does, doesnt always work. song of passing would start a 5 turn count down where Both misdreavus and the enemy would both be killed, 100%, and since its a buff, it affected all types...

    i know ghost pokemon have never been all that popular until now... (about time they got some decent ones..) but i think nintendo took it's hatred for ghosts just a bit too far.

    pokemon used to be fun because it was tactical... you could cleverly execute moves that would taunt and destroy your enemie's self-esteem... slowly... but surely... and now, its like every type can kill every type, and its all beat'em up with raw power... its kinda moved beyond 'effective, and not effective' into 'attack and special attack power' and the elemental types have less influence in battle.
     
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    pokemon used to be fun because it was tactical... you could cleverly execute moves that would taunt and destroy your enemie's self-esteem... slowly... but surely... and now, its like every type can kill every type, and its all beat'em up with raw power... its kinda moved beyond 'effective, and not effective' into 'attack and special attack power' and the elemental types have less influence in battle.
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    Bull.

    Pokemon takes as much strategy as it ever did (although Anti will pop up and tell me that RSE was way more tactical DP, But he's an old fart.). The tactics just lie elsewhere. There's more to it than just reading "It's super effective!" on your screen. It's all about predicting your opponent, and countering him before he makes his move. And if you're talking about making your opponent crack, try sending in Infernape, and watch your opponent squirm as they try and guess what build it runs. Like I said, the tactics lie elsewhere.
     
    thats basically what i said... im saying the tactics no longer really involve the type of the pokemon quite as much as they used to. and when i was talking about 'raw power beat em up' i was mainly refferring to online battle...
    the basic str/weaknesses of each type was much clearer in earlier versions... now, it's like every type can learn moves from most other types... almost defeating the purpose of having a pokemon type.

    i just want me ghost moves back... (i wonder if i trade old pokemon into diamond, they will still have those great moves?)
     
    DP is only compatible with R/S/E/FR/LG, and R/S/E/FR/LG are incompatible with G/S/C/R/B/G/Y... so no. I highly dou-

    hold on a second. I think I'll go check on PokeSAV for those moves

    EDIT:
    Song of Passing= Perish Song.
    Pain Splitter= Destiny Bond?
    Pain Nail=Curse
    Tombstoner=No idea.
     
    Thraxxacor, I've been looking up those moves you described- and I think you might be crazy. According to Bulbapedia:

    Song of Passing: Doesn't exist. Closest match is Perish Song.
    Pain Splitter: Doesn't exist, never did. There's Destiny Bond, which is like that, but nothing exactly like it. Also, Pain Split is a move, not an ability.
    Pain Nail: Doesn't exist. There's Curse. But that's it.
    Tombstoner: Doesn't exist, never did. All there is/ was is Shadow Ball.

    And I looked up the entries on Serebii's RBY Pokedex: neither Gengar nor Misdreavus, the only ghost types of the time, learned these moves.

    I don't know what game you were playing, but it definitely wasn't G/S.
     
    lol it WAS called perish song... was thinking zelda.
    pain splitter was deffinitely a move. no doubt.
    if you read the 1st post, i did say pain nail was renamed curse, though it had less of a negative effect on the user... and it was only for ghosts instead of '???'

    and yeah, tombstoner, pain nail, and pain splitter were in red/blue... they renamed in silver (also said that : / )
     
    uh... hows pokemon red version for you?not fire red, 1998 original gameboy RED version. how many times am i going to have to repeat all the stuff thats in the first post...?

    play red version, and level up a 80-ish gengar...
     
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    There is no such thing as Tombstoner and Pain Splitter! You must have had a hacked game, otherwise, you're simply these up.
     
    Yes ADV is more tactical because it relies on prediction and skill rather than how much SAtk you can pump into that Porygon-Z, anyways...

    I can't wait to research these moves though lol. I've played Blue before and I've never heard of these moves :0

    Also a pokemon's typing is more important than ever since the attacks used today are so powerful and resistances and immunities are key to have.
     
    Dude, I had like twenty level 100 Gengars in Yellow and like five in Red. One level sixty in Blue. I was a huge fan of Ghost-type Pokemon. There's no such thing as Pain Splitter back then, or Pain Nail. Pain Nail/Curse was introduced in G/S/C. Play moar Pokymanz plz.
     
    I think I heard Tombstoner somewhere in a 1st gen game. IIRC, it appeared in a quiz in Cinnabar Gym.
     
    Thraxxacor said:
    uh... hows pokemon red version for you?not fire red, 1998 original gameboy RED version. how many times am i going to have to repeat all the stuff thats in the first post...?

    play red version, and level up a 80-ish gengar...
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    Acting annoyed doesn't make you any less delusional. They didn't kill any of thos emoves, they just didn't EXIST.
     
    The moves you're referring to were probably only existing in the TCG.
     
    nevermind

    filler filler filler filler
     
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