"Ubers" in D/P/Plat that shouldn't be Uber

[FreakyLocz14]

1) Wynaut:
If I don't consider Wobbuffet Uber, than it's pre-evo def is not.

2) Wobbuffet:
Easy to take down it's pathetic. The only thing it's got is to take you down with it with Destiny Bond. With it's horrible Speed a nice Toxic can get in on it before it can set up Safeguard. Stat move than can be used to stall it out, since it can't learn damaging moves. Also OHKO moves (though these are usually banned) and Perish Song+Whirlpool or Fire Spin, etc. can do the trick.

3) Manaphy and Mew:
600 Base stats, same as Celebi, but Celebi is only OU. I can somwhat understand Mew do to it's ability to learn virtually any move but def not Manaphy.

4) Shaymin Sky Forme:
Ice Shard anyone?

 

[jigglyppuff8]

Wynaut/Wobbuffet: They've got Shadow Tag which prevents switching. Also, Encore. If the opponent is stuck on an attacking move, just use Counter or Mirror Coat respectively. With its low defense but monstrous HP, these will do plenty of damage. Status Move? Charm for a set up. Charm is useless? Then just switch in a Pokemon that can assuredly KO it without any problem. Either way, a Pokemon will be going down if it is facing Wobuffet one way or another. Sure, Sableye and Spiritomb shut it down immediately, but then all teams would need to bring those in for just that one threat, therefore breaking the metagame.

Manaphy: If set up with Rain Dance, it can constantly use Rest to heal damage and immediately wake up due to Hydration. Unlike Dewgong, it's bulky enough to pull it off.

Mew: It learns all TM moves and has access to Baton Pass along with it. This makes it very versatile. Unlike Smeargle, it can actually stay alive long enough to pull stuff off.

Celebi: It the highest amount of weaknesses in the Game. That's why it's OU.

Skymin: Like Ice Shard is commonplace on most teams. Forcing every team to carry Ice Shard would be metagame breaking as well.

This is just a basic understanding. I'm sure that someone else could provide a better understanding.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

Wynaut/Wobbuffet: They've got Shadow Tag which prevents switching. Also, Encore. If the opponent is stuck on an attacking move, just use Counter or Mirror Coat respectively. With its low defense but monstrous HP, these will do plenty of damage. Status Move? Charm for a set up. Charm is useless? Then just switch in a Pokemon that can assuredly KO it without any problem. Either way, a Pokemon will be going down if it is facing Wobuffet one way or another. Sure, Sableye and Spiritomb shut it down immediately, but then all teams would need to bring those in for just that one threat, therefore breaking the metagame.

Manaphy: If set up with Rain Dance, it can constantly use Rest to heal damage and immediately wake up due to Hydration. Unlike Dewgong, it's bulky enough to pull it off.

Mew: It learns all TM moves and has access to Baton Pass along with it. This makes it very versatile. Unlike Smeargle, it can actually stay alive long enough to pull stuff off.

Celebi: It the highest amount of weaknesses in the Game. That's why it's OU.

Skymin: Like Ice Shard is commonplace on most teams. Forcing every team to carry Ice Shard would be metagame breaking as well.

This is just a basic understanding. I'm sure that someone else could provide a better understanding.

Wynaut/Wobbuffet: Toxic takes it out. If it Encores Toxic it will still be eaten away slowly. Charm won't do much to Toxic since the damage worsens each turn. Again it's so slow you can use Toxic before it uses Safeguard. Also Shedinja shuts it down too.

Shaymin: Every team should have an Ice move. Some of the most OU Pokemon are 4x weak to Ice or at least 2x weak.

 

[Jake♫]

Let's see, Wobbuffet and Wynaut wouldn't switch into a Pokemon that would know Toxic in the first place, as said Pokemon wouldn't do enough damage for a successful Counter/Mirror Coat. With Shadow Tag, the user can easily predict what thype of attack the Pokemon is going to use, whether it is already attacking, or is using a stat-up move. If it is statting-up, Encore says hi. Since they can't switch, free Safeguard. Basically, they can kill pretty much anything (To a lesser degree Wynaut, but it has the potential).

Skymin: It isn't going to stay in on something that is going to use Ice Shard anyways o.o. Doesn't matter much. Seed Flare+Serence Grace, Air Slash+Serence Grace, it is just basically a haxier version of Jirachi, who can do more than flinch. If it can pull of the Special Defense Boosts, it can theoretically take out Blissey (Doesn't happen much, but it is very possible). No Skymin user is smart enough to leave a 4x weak Pokemon in on something like Mamoswine or Weavile, so the Ice Shard logic is nil.

Mew: "Hi there! I learn every TM move, and Baton Pass to pass along Swords Dance and Rock Polish!" Yeah, and its 100/100/100 defenses actually allow it to pull the strategy off with relative ease compared to something like Smeargle.

Manaphy: Its under testing in OU for a reason XD

 

[Dark Azelf]

Pointless thread. Wobby has been proven to be uber time and time again through testing. You logic is also wrong/bad. Perish Song users actually beat themselves since wobby can switch out and you cannot LOL :/, and "Like the wobby user is dumb enough to keep it in on something with Toxic". Whirlpool and Fire spin are rofl, they get Encored + Mirror Coated and then you lose, stat up move also get Encored and thus set up on by other pokemon. Wobby is used as the wobby user sees fit, by that i mean it can take out ANY of your pokemon whenever the wobby user wishes and can be sent in whenever they want. By removing any pokes the user sees fit and any anytime, wobby fits this : -

Support Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other pokemon to sweep.

I dont get why people bring up prediction with Wobby. That point is a moot and Encore makes it that way. Encore also makes it easy to get a 100% free set for another team mate combined with its ability, no other pokemon has the ability to grant that free of a set up, since you can simple switch out of any other pokemons encore, not wobby. There is a battle log with a Garchomp setting up on a Cress thanks to wobby. =/

You have 5 options in a battle, your 4 attack moves and switch. Wobby nulls this to just one attack with Encore and shadow tag. Something which other trappers dont do (Duggy and Zone), you at least get your 4 moves. In addition Duggy and Zone are limited to what they trap, wobby traps everything.

Wobby is also probably the best revenge killer in the game too, send it into something locked into a choice move and you take down a poke for free.

Honestly a good wobby user will always at the very LEAST take one poke down, since he or she can send it in whenever they like and eliminate one of your pokes for free pretty much and thats not even mentioning the following 2 strategies : -

Jolly wob : - Lets see, this means what it says on the label. You give your wobby max speed thus makes every pokemon in the game under wobby's max speed (181) non-existant (which means most walls), which is pretty simple, you send it in on something that slow pokemon does aka stealth rock/Softboiled/Roost etc and then Encore it and proceed to drain that move of pp and struggle stall it to death ^____^, cheap and simple.

Tickle Wob : - Then there is also Tickle Wobby (event move) + CB Pursuit user. Again, send it in on something that is not a threat, Encore a move and then Tickle down the foe to -6 def and then you send in your Pursuit user and as the foe switches, Pursuit them as they switch out. Keep in mind that a CB Tyranitars for example, Pursuit does ~95% to standard skarmory who RESISTS the move, so i wish good luck to everything else lol. This strategy can be found here.

Probably THE best wall breaker in the game ? I think so.

Also before people bring up moot points like "Its easy to ohko" (trust me, it alway seems to happen in these sort of threads) lolno, you could'nt be more wrong. Choice Band Tyranitar cant OHKO standard Wobby with Crunch (THE most powerful dark attack in ou, if not the game) nor can specs Gengar with Shadow Ball, which goes to show how much of a beating this thing can take.

Pretty much covers it too.

Shaymin, Manaphy are being tested currently to see if they dont break OU.

Mew because of its vast movepool also fits this : -

Support Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other pokemon to sweep.

Basically Baton Pass Mew can ALWAYS pass and due to its bulk its psuedo impossible to stop it and due to taunt too and its pretty easy to set up a sweep with it consistently.

Basically if you want this thread to be taken seriously, you should really make more viable arguments than things like whirlpool. :/

Aka : -

Offensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame with little effort.

Defensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is able to wall and stall out a significant portion of the metagame.

Support Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set up a situation in which it makes it substantially easier for other pokemon to sweep.

You should really be telling people why they dont fit the above.

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