Wall: Umbreon

[Feuerbach]

Hello, I'd like your feedback on this guy.
Didn't really intend to make one, but seeing his stats (110 Def and 130 Sp.Def) I thought he could qualify as a wall.

Is this viable?

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Ability: Synchronize
Adamant Nature
- Toxic
- Mean Look
- Confuse Ray / Moonlight
- Dark Pulse / Moonlight

EV: Def and Atk
Having the enemy Badly Poisoned, Confused and Flinched looks neat. An option is to make use of Umbreon's Ability and make him hold a Toxic Orb, but I guess it's too dangerous. Flame Orb could work.
Suggest your own variants of an Umbreon wall!

Have a nice day.
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[Shiraishi]

Dark pulse is a special attack.

 

[Gabriel-]

Umbreon@Leftovers
Trait:Synchronize
Impish Nature
EVs:252 HP/152 DEF/104 SP.DEF
Moves:
-Wish
-Mean Look
-Toxic/Taunt
-Baton Pass

Toxic is more indicated but Taunt is also an opinion.

 

[Shiraishi]

Most people see a toxic trap umbreon coming, so they switch out to something with a fighting move or even worse, guts while you trap it. (Heracross)

 

[c_dog]

toxic umbreon is one of the very worst pokemon out there. i find it funny people still think they can get away with it.

and that base defense is nothing. you can give it impish/bold with max hp and max def ev's and a stab close combat can still almost OHKO it.

 

[Samson]

and that base defense is nothing. you can give it impish/bold with max hp and max def ev's and a stab close combat can still almost OHKO it.

NO. it does more like 3/4ths damage unless the person is carrying choice band or guts is activated. that is still a lot of damage, but that's the point. you shouldn't use umbreon unless you can manage it.

 

[c_dog]

NO. it does more like 3/4ths damage unless the person is carrying choice band or guts is activated. that is still a lot of damage, but that's the point. you shouldn't use umbreon unless you can manage it.

that's pretty close to OHKO and i said "almost OHKO" so i was right. my umbreon has excellent defense(Impish with max hp, 200ev's in defense) and a life orb infernape with barely any attack ev's(around 20ev's i bet) at neutral nature almost OHKO it with close combat(took the hp to red in one hit). so yeah, you can be sure fighting moves pretty much ruin umbreons if they land.

umbreon is ruined by fighting types because when it uses meanlook the opponent can switch to a fighting type, making mean look useless because you're going to have to switch out. umbreon isn't easy to bring in either because as a special wall, opponents may predict a blissey and use a fighting move on it. as a physical wall it's not going to get the job done because of all the high damage fighting moves around in 4th gen.

there IS a way to use umbreon right, but Toxic is never an option.

Umbreon@leftovers
impish/bold
252hp 200def 58spdef
-wish/moon light
-taunt/curse
-mean look
-baton pass

with the ev's, it should survive a fighting move barring critical hit but you should still avoid being hit by them at all costs. taunt ruins a lot of pokemon and with mean look and baton pass you can pass them off to a teamate who happens to be the right counter for the finish. wish is good for self healing and healing teammates.

 

[Samson]

that's the thing. you just shouldn't use mean look at all if you don't have a fighting resist on your team.

you said almost OHKO, btw, and that's not 3/4ths. almost KO is 4 hp left, not 100.

this gen, you may as well just use umbreon for subpassing and taunt.

 

[c_dog]

that's the thing. you just shouldn't use mean look at all if you don't have a fighting resist on your team.

you said almost OHKO, btw, and that's not 3/4ths. almost KO is 4 hp left, not 100.

this gen, you may as well just use umbreon for subpassing and taunt.

meh, i'm sure most umbreons if hit by a stab fighting move would have their hp go to red or maybe OHKO, even if they have bulky defense. most umbreon just don't have max defense. my umbreon's pretty good i think and it usually gets almost OHKO'ed which is why i say that. maybe you have slightly different experience with yours.

and yea, i almost laugh when i see umbreons in 4th gen due to its limited ability.

 

[shedinjask]

Umbreon can pass Mean Looks. That's pretty good. But yes, it dies to Close Combat. Charm fixes that.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/4 Sdef -- Bold/Impish
Charm
Yawn
Wish
Protect

Yawn and Charm screws things over, especially Heracross. The only Hera that gets past a Charm switch in is Adamant CB, and who the hell uses Adamant CB. Wish for healing and Protect for being annoying. If you're going to use Umbreon, please use it right.

 

[Syaoran]

Umbreon can pass Mean Looks. That's pretty good. But yes, it dies to Close Combat. Charm fixes that.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/4 Sdef -- Bold/Impish
Charm
Yawn
Wish
Protect

Yawn and Charm screws things over, especially Heracross. The only Hera that gets past a Charm switch in is Adamant CB, and who the hell uses Adamant CB. Wish for healing and Protect for being annoying. If you're going to use Umbreon, please use it right.

I don't think Umbreon is any help for the team. Sure Yawn sounds good, but they're gonna switch anyway and get him hit every time after he uses Yawn.

Charm Umbreon is extremely vulnerable to Focus Punchers.

 

[Azonic]

Charm causes lowering ATK, while yawn is PseudoHazing. Those don't belong together.

Go with the standard Mean-Passing Umbreon

 

[Feuerbach]

Dark Pulse.. my bad. Thank you all for your imput.

and yea, i almost laugh when i see umbreons in 4th gen due to its limited ability.

Use a little grace.

 

[Feuerbach]

Assuming Umbreon is just used for trapping via Mean Look, I realized the question is how many times it gets hit.

Slower than opponent = 2 hits received before Baton Pass
Faster than opponent = 1 hit received before Baton Pass

Making it Jolly, and maxing Spd EV's, will 251 Spd be enough for surviving the average battle? Gotta hate it's speed...

Thanks again.

 

[c_dog]

Umbreon can pass Mean Looks. That's pretty good. But yes, it dies to Close Combat. Charm fixes that.

Umbreon @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/4 Sdef -- Bold/Impish
Charm
Yawn
Wish
Protect

Yawn and Charm screws things over, especially Heracross. The only Hera that gets past a Charm switch in is Adamant CB, and who the hell uses Adamant CB. Wish for healing and Protect for being annoying. If you're going to use Umbreon, please use it right.

If you're going to post a set, please at least make sure you know what you're talking about.

That set SUCKS and that's obvious to everyone. Charm sucks especially since you don't have mean look and baton pass to go along with it. Your opponents can just switch out and your set doesn't even have any offensive options, so what are you trying to achieve with that set?

"if you're going to use Umbreon, please use it right"?? such big words for someone who obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[c_dog]

Assuming Umbreon is just used for trapping via Mean Look, I realized the question is how many times it gets hit.

Slower than opponent = 2 hits received before Baton Pass
Faster than opponent = 1 hit received before Baton Pass

Making it Jolly, and maxing Spd EV's, will 251 Spd be enough for surviving the average battle? Gotta hate it's speed...

Thanks again.

if you make it jolly it's not going to have good enough defense to pull off mean look. at least with defensive umbreon you can take ANY hit that's not a strong fighting move, and you're better off taking a chance on that than go for 251 speed, which wouldn't outspeed any of the sweepers anyway.

umbreon can take a lot of hits that's not a stab strong fighting move.

 

[BrainDamage]

you REALLY are better off not using umbreon. its disadvantages over whelm the advantages. i wouldnt consider him a wall... more possibly a sponge tho

 

[shedinjask]

My god, have you people even used that Umbreon? Don't knock it till you try it. It's absolutely amazing. Yes, it pseudo-hazes, but that's just a perk. Charm and Yawn let things switch in and ruin setups. Wish heals. It supports, and it gets you free switch-ins. That's what it's meant to do. If you seriously think it sucks, go use it. It may not be as good as some other walls but it still works. Mean Look passing is good, but this is more fun, and you still get to set up with it. And don't double post.

I don't think Umbreon is any help for the team. Sure Yawn sounds good, but they're gonna switch anyway and get him hit every time after he uses Yawn.

Charm Umbreon is extremely vulnerable to Focus Punchers.

No, that's the point. Free switch, a heal with Wish, some stalling, and a setup. And lol, Focus Punchers fail against Charm. Most people don't expect Charm so they just Focus Punch from the start, and Yawn goes through any subs they might put up. The only Focus Puncher who beats this is Toxic Orb Breloom, but hey, nothing's perfect.

 

[BrainDamage]

the point for me is if im gonna use an umbreon, i want to use an umbreon like a man. a stron pokemon liking, body building man. more attack than just annoying moves in general- just cause its one of my favs. but in competitive battling, it can be useful. another thing for me, is that my umbreon is shiny- so its of no use cause i cant egg move it... but htats just me. i do partially agree with shedinjask

 

[c_dog]

My god, have you people even used that Umbreon? Don't knock it till you try it. It's absolutely amazing. Yes, it pseudo-hazes, but that's just a perk. Charm and Yawn let things switch in and ruin setups. Wish heals. It supports, and it gets you free switch-ins. That's what it's meant to do. If you seriously think it sucks, go use it. It may not be as good as some other walls but it still works. Mean Look passing is good, but this is more fun, and you still get to set up with it. And don't double post.



No, that's the point. Free switch, a heal with Wish, some stalling, and a setup. And lol, Focus Punchers fail against Charm. Most people don't expect Charm so they just Focus Punch from the start, and Yawn goes through any subs they might put up. The only Focus Puncher who beats this is Toxic Orb Breloom, but hey, nothing's perfect.

stop pretending like you're good at competitive battling because it's obvious you're not. if you have ANY battling experience you would know that the set you just suggested in an absolute joke. the scenarios you listed aren't realistic at all. you do know that if a physical sweeper comes in and use closecombat and take away ~85-90% of your hp that even if you use charm you're still gonna be KO'ed the next turn right? same for yawn, which takes a turn to set in so your opponent can just hit you once, and then switch to avoid sleeping. wish healing can help you regain hp but wish also takes a turn to set in, and there's a good chance you'll be receiving more damage than you're healing, which is why your set is absolutely worthless and absolutely fails. like i said, charm is a useless enough move as it is and to not even have mean look to go with it?

oh, and as far as i know, yawn doesn't go through subs. it would be amazing if it does but i doubt it.