SBaby said:
All right! That's like the third time the site's bugged out on me. Let's try posting this again.
Not really through a process of 'liking', but more like the, 'Oh, I can't win against that Pokemon, so it's banned from my game'. That seems to be the trend. And if it keeps up, like I said, it'll get to the point where only very basic Pokemon are even allowed anymore. You watch. It'll happen. Because somewhere down the line, someone will find issues with the currently allowed Pokemon.
But I do tell you that removing the level cap in Pokemon games would definitely solve alot of issues facing them (and I was talking about the games there, not the on-line battling thing).
Things like this are why I started PD-20 in the first place. I was just so sick of all the whining about ubers. Changing the battle system in the process to help balance the game was just a perk.
Ahh...now I see what you're getting at. However, the practice you're referring to is a bit different from the tiers. Slapping a ban on anything that beats you is commonly known as 'N00Bclausing' and is actually not endorsed by the majority of competitive players. The shifts in the tiers, on the other hand, are mostly back and forths between UU, BL, and OU, and I'd like to note that
no pokémon have been added to or removed from the uber tier since the new generation came around. The smaller shifts usually occur when a pokémon either becomes largely unused because of a shift in team building trends (Meaning that it is no longer as large a threat to others as before and can thus be allowed on lower tiers) or, conversely, when a single species starts dominating its own tier and gets moved up, as was the case with Jumpluff. In the context of ubers, the tier is practically set in stone as the ones in it are there by obvious merits, and for the rest...I'm sorry, but I can't really take your doomsday prophecy of everything but basic forms being banned seriously. Like I said; the shifts in tiers are generally back and forth and no pokémon has been moved more than one tier up or down from its original. The notion of Ivysaur becoming an uber is, I'm sorry to say, downright ridiculous. I personally don't know about the console-based online battling, but that place seems far more chaotic than NB so I seriously doubt it.
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that only Heracross learns Megahorn. Forgive me for failing to mention the minority of the ubers list, such as Salamance, Metagross, and Garchomp because as I recall, legendaries are a majority on every uber list.,which must have misled you into believing I'm not informed on how ubers work and which Pokemon are ubers.
Also, I fail to see how mentioning legendaries in an uber topic is considered a sign that I have no form of intelligence on forum posting and Pokemon mechanics.
This really isn't worth arguing over, so please don't instantly judge a person's intelligence by his post count. I know perfectly well on what ubers are and how they work, so there's no need to act like legendaries with Substitute/Recover/Reflect/etc cannot be beaten. Besides, who in their right mind would Megahorn a Lugia?
~Diggeh
How ironic...first you say that this isn't worth arguing over then you argue over this. The first of two internal contradictions that I see in this post.
First: I said absolutely nothing about anyone's intelligence in my post. I have no idea where you picked that up from but even after re-reading I can't find it. Would you care to point that part out for me, please? If not then maybe
you're the one who needs to stop assuming things.
Second: I don't give a damn about post counts and I haven't even looked at yours. Again, this is a completely baseless assumption for which I can't find any support in my post.
Third: Salamence, Garchomp, and Metagross are all OUs;
not ubers (See my earlier post for a list of the pokémon in the uber tier), so you'll have to forgive me if I remain 'misled' into believeing that you aren't quite aware of what does and doesn't fall into the tier. Heracross is just about the only Megahorner who would even have a fair shot at hurting ubers on account of its high Attack and STAB. Rhyperior comes close because of its Solid Rock trait, but it doesn't have the SDef for the job, unless you're willing to invest so many EVs in it that it won't manage a KO.
Finally, to answer your question: no-one in their right mind would use Megahorn on a Lugia, but you claimed that Megahorn would solve the problem of the psychic legendaries (To which Lugia belongs). That just isn't true, plain and simple. I'm not claiming that the ubers are invincible; I'm just saying that in a game between two players of comparable skill, an uber will usually drag down at least two to three OUs with it through brute force and endurance, which isn't a fair fight. Even when you
do manage to KO them the 'Pressure' trait posessed by the vast majority of ubers will have sapped out
a lot of your PP. This disbalance can not be erased by simply slapping on a super effective move like you claim.
