Why is Heatran not uber but Garchomp is?

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    Heatran's total base stats equals 600. So that's uber. However, this one guy said he wasn't, along with a very famous person by the name of AquaBlade11.

    I guess his reasoning for him not being uber is "Because he gets owned by Ground Moves." But Garchomp is considered uber even though he's owned by Ice.

    I don't get these rules of what's uber and what isn't. You can't just decide a certain Pokemon is uber because it kicks your butt and stuff... so what's the deal?
     
    Uber isn't soley detemined by stats. I think Garchomp is uber, because they way it's stats are spread. If it can switch in, set up, and kill everything, it kinda takes the fun outta the game:p
     
    He's not uber because he's already top-tier Legendary.
     
    The Uber Tier is based on the balance of the game. Heatran, while quite good, doesn't have the stat distribution that Garchomp has, and also has the disadvantage of being a Special attacker (hi Blissey!). Garchomp also has the ability to create 101 HP Subs, and it has some of the best Offensive Typing in the game. It also has access to one of the best stat-up moves in the game with Swords Dance, making him instantly able to OHKO almost everything in sight. He also has speed that outruns the uncountable base 100 pokemon, and the bulk to take several hits. Heatran has none of these qualities in the same capacity as Garchomp and therefore stays OU.
     
    Garchomp is uber because Dragon-types in general are ridiculously overpowered. The offensive value Dragon as a type holds is unprecidented; ONE TYPE RESISTS IT. And 90% of Dragons can pack both Flamethrower/Fire Blast AND Earthquake to get around that, meaning that regardless of what ability your Bronzong picks, it's getting owned.

    It doesn't help Garchomp's case when not only is one of those anti-Steel types (Ground) ITS STAB, but coming off base 130 Attack. Not only that, but it has 102 base Speed and 108/95/85, which is no joke. It can live most Ice attacks if holding a Yache Berry.

    Its STAB moves are also far superior in accuracy, power or all-around availability when compared to Heatran's. Outrage, STAB Earthquake...that's just the tip of the iceberg, seriously.

    Heatran, meanwhile, while it's legendary and has 600 BST (lol Celebi, Cresselia, Dragonite, Jirachi, Latias, Metagross, Salamence and Tyranitar? lolololol), is extremely predictable. The vast majority of them run Fire Blast / Earth Power / Explosion / HP Ice.

    It's also much slower and doesn't 6-0 teams like Garchomp can. It has utility in other uses, but its STAB attacks are much easier to absorb. Fire resistance is necessary for any teams using Scizor (which...well, half of them do), so a lot of teams prepare for it.

    Garchomp was the reason people used Bronzong and Cresselia. Notice how nobody does anymore? That's because their defenses were only useful to live boosted Outrages.

    Heatran isn't enough of an immediate threat to people to warrant an entire change in the metagame. Arguably, it's the Cresselia/Bronzong of this "format" of the metagame, since so many goddamn people use Scizor and Heatran can own it so well. (4x Bullet Punch resist vs. 4x Fire weakness...so yeah.)

    Garchomp is a monstrous sweeper. Heatran is the metagame's antithesis. Their uses are totally different.

    You're only classified Uber if Standard can't handle you. A slow, 4x Ground-weak Pokemon is EASILY disposed of. Garchomp, when it was OU...wasn't.
     
    All it takes is one Earthquake, and that's most likely the end to your smoking piece of metal. Don't forget, type match-ups also play a big role in things.
     
    This.

    DonRoyale said:
    Garchomp is uber because Dragon-types in general are ridiculously overpowered. The offensive value Dragon as a type holds is unprecidented; ONE TYPE RESISTS IT. And 90% of Dragons can pack both Flamethrower/Fire Blast AND Earthquake to get around that, meaning that regardless of what ability your Bronzong picks, it's getting owned.

    It doesn't help Garchomp's case when not only is one of those anti-Steel types (Ground) ITS STAB, but coming off base 130 Attack. Not only that, but it has 102 base Speed and 108/95/85, which is no joke. It can live most Ice attacks if holding a Yache Berry.

    Its STAB moves are also far superior in accuracy, power or all-around availability when compared to Heatran's. Outrage, STAB Earthquake...that's just the tip of the iceberg, seriously.

    Heatran, meanwhile, while it's legendary and has 600 BST (lol Celebi, Cresselia, Dragonite, Jirachi, Latias, Metagross, Salamence and Tyranitar? lolololol), is extremely predictable. The vast majority of them run Fire Blast / Earth Power / Explosion / HP Ice.

    It's also much slower and doesn't 6-0 teams like Garchomp can. It has utility in other uses, but its STAB attacks are much easier to absorb. Fire resistance is necessary for any teams using Scizor (which...well, half of them do), so a lot of teams prepare for it.

    Garchomp was the reason people used Bronzong and Cresselia. Notice how nobody does anymore? That's because their defenses were only useful to live boosted Outrages.

    Heatran isn't enough of an immediate threat to people to warrant an entire change in the metagame. Arguably, it's the Cresselia/Bronzong of this "format" of the metagame, since so many goddamn people use Scizor and Heatran can own it so well. (4x Bullet Punch resist vs. 4x Fire weakness...so yeah.)

    Garchomp is a monstrous sweeper. Heatran is the metagame's antithesis. Their uses are totally different.

    You're only classified Uber if Standard can't handle you. A slow, 4x Ground-weak Pokemon is EASILY disposed of. Garchomp, when it was OU...wasn't.
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