yeah shoddy and stuff rmt

Give me one use HP Electric has besides beating Gyarados. It does nothihng to other bulky waters or anything else.

As in, don't use HP electric on Swampert. You'd only be robbing it of a moveslot. I'm not a huge fan of Stone Edge on Swampert either, or even Rock slide, but if you really hate Gyarados I suppose it's plausible considering it isn't totally useless like HP electric.

Honestly your sweepers don't even work that great together so maybe find a replacement for one of them (cough Garchomp) for something that will beat Gyarados, whether or not it's a sweeper.
 
Love how you corrected Fire Fire on Evilcheese's Garchomp moveset Anti XD

As for the BoltBeam weakness, I dare you to give Forretress Light Screen =PPPP

Oh, I hate to say this but.. it's best to replace Milotic with Blissey (Your Gyarados)
 
i did replace milotic.

yeah i was thinking garchomp doesnt go that well. ill probably need a mixed sweeper (maybe vire) or a nice tank.
 
People like mixed sweepers too much ._.

As for "Fire Fire," I seem to make that mistake every time I mean to say Fire Fang. Must be my short attention spn at work or something.

Speaking of fire, Fire BLAST > Flamethrower on Heatran please. I honestly don't want to hear about accuracy when people use Megahorn on Heracross. Now I hate fire blast on those pure physical attackers that just slip it in to kill skarm, who usually isn't much of a threat anyways, but on Heatran it is quite honestly a whole lot better.
 
ok ill go fire blast. and for the tank maybe a cmer? or tyraniboah er whatever its called (tyranitar with ice beam).
 
Taking away Gyara's leftovers recovery is not a good idea.

Actually it might be smart to run a Suicune or Milotic over Swampert with HP electric (though I'm not a big fan of it, it at least does something for those two) to beat Gyara. Of course you'd lose your rock resist, so it depends on who you fear more I guess.

As for Chomp's replacement, I wish I could help but I just woke up from a 4-hour snooze and I can't really think of anything at the moment hehe
 
Heatran carries good sp.atk, why risk the miss. Even if hera uses Megahorn, maybe they get lucky and you don't, assuming that luck will be nuetral wont work most of the time, I say flamethrower.
 
Outlawed said:
Heatran carries good sp.atk, why risk the miss. Even if hera uses Megahorn, maybe they get lucky and you don't, assuming that luck will be nuetral wont work most of the time, I say flamethrower.
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Well I'm waiting for Dark_Azelf to come in with all the damage calcs but I can explain it.

Heatran NEEDS the extra power. It's like trying to beat Skarmory with a Scarfcross instead of a CBcross practically. Heatran also can afford to miss with its overall bulk and good amount of resistances and whatnot.

Flamethrower manages pitiful damage against a lot of stuff. Fire Blast on the other hand will deal much more damage, especially when you throw in choice specs and a possible flash fire boost, the difference becomes a lot more obvious.

Also, considering opposing Heatran like to switch in on Heatran, Fire Blast missing probably can't be too bad now can it be?

Fire Blast >>>>>> Flamethrower.

While I usually prefer Flamethrower Fire Blast really is superior. Also for things that switch in on fire Blast (cough dragons cough) that predict your fire move take a ton more from Fire Blast than from Flamethrower, so wearing down on what is switching in on you is also handy.
 
Apart from the fact that Flash Fire doesn't even bother taking in the account of accuracy. So if you did Fire Blast a Heatran on the switch it would get the boost regardless of if the move hits it or not.

But yes, Fire Blast ftw!
 
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