YGO: Individual Card Discussion

[Frostweaver]

It's powers is broken.

Beyond words can describe. It's 2nd to CED and/or/with Yata-lock on the broken scale if you exclude the infinite loopholes with Elma.

If we're comparing Sixth Sense's broken power to Magical Scientist, then Sixth Sense is still the more broken one. True that Magical Scientist can OTK and Sixth Sense cannot, but one takes skill and the other requires no form of thinking at all.

*unloved*

 

[Forci Stikane]

MST on Big Bang Shot= Bye Bye.

If you have a Blue Eyes White Dragon deck. Would you mind reviewing mines then? It will be made tomorrow.

*Changed Big Bang Shot to Fairy Meteor Crush*

HA!! NOW WHAT!??

...Already did.

As far as Sixth Sense goes, it depends on luck...of course, there isn't anything keeping you from saying "5 & 6" and then not having to worry as much about it...

DICE RE-ROLL!!

This will probably be unbanned, but limited when it arrives,...depending on whether or not Pot and Graceful stay banned :( ...

 

[Zaikiro]

*Changed Big Bang Shot to Fairy Meteor Crush*

HA!! NOW WHAT!??

...Already did.

I could just play Book of Moon or Enemy Controller.

As far as Sixth Sense goes, it depends on luck...of course, there isn't anything keeping you from saying "5 & 6" and then not having to worry as much about it...

DICE RE-ROLL!!

This will probably be unbanned, but limited when it arrives,...depending on whether or not Pot and Graceful stay banned :( ...

Luck or not. This was a staple in every deck in Asia. Even though you don't get 5 or 6, it still deck thins.

And with the cards they have there.(In Asia) They can make useful stragties with it. It's a 1-2 avdtange.

 

[Frostweaver]

"Deck thin" is not enough to express Sixth Sense's power. It's more like "INSANE Deck thin with free dump so please abuse me with premature and call, along with a 1/3 chance of drawing enough for +4 or +5 card advantage." (it's 1/3 chance, and for that bargain it's insanely good.)

Sixth Sense shall be banned and stay banned.



No one should ever use Fairy Meteor Crush since there's Big Bang Shot. Anyone with half a brain using Big Bang Shot will definitely be smart enough to know that you must first clear absolutely everything on the field (Giant Trunade, for the win!) and go for the trample-kill. If, for miraculous reasons, that MST still haven't been played by your opponent yet by the time you finished your Big Bang Shot setup (which is a pretty slow setup), then you can only blame luck for it. It's just so rare that MST isn't played early on in game to disarm important magic/trap.

Of course, that's the time when one of my favorite magic card can help you lure out that MST... Go Go Wave Motion Cannon!

*unloved*

 

[Zaikiro]

No one should ever use Fairy Meteor Crush since there's Big Bang Shot. Anyone with half a brain using Big Bang Shot will definitely be smart enough to know that you must first clear absolutely everything on the field (Giant Trunade, for the win!) and go for the trample-kill. If, for miraculous reasons, that MST still haven't been played by your opponent yet by the time you finished your Big Bang Shot setup (which is a pretty slow setup), then you can only blame luck for it. It's just so rare that MST isn't played early on in game to disarm important magic/trap.

Of course, that's the time when one of my favorite magic card can help you lure out that MST... Go Go Wave Motion Cannon!

*unloved*

I perfer Metorian out of both of those and I'm sure I have a whole brain..^_^'

There are reason to run Fairy Metor Crush. For example, 400 atk increase ins't everything and the remove from play effect makes Big Bang Shot more safer. I would play it over Big Bang Shot though anyday. But Big Bang Shot is good also.^_~

Of course, that's the time when one of my favorite magic card can help you lure out that MST... Go Go Wave Motion Cannon!

Go Des Koala and Breaker! I choose you!

 

[Frostweaver]

Well, with the new advanced format, warriors may have lost their star player (at the same time, changing from chaos-warrior to just warrior most of the time), so does this mean Kinetic Soldier will lose its place in the sidedeck?

In the pass, it's so easy to run into BLS along with its fellow warriors that Kinetic Soldier is a great choice in the sidedeck. Its bonus effect allows you to destroy BLS, or simply be used facedown as a wall for a dumb warrior to run into (and oh look, its defense is suddenly 3800 now! *warrior-player cries*) In late game when most goodies are used up, warrior players will have an even tougher time in destroying Kinetic Soldier.

Warrior is weakened due to the absense of BLS, but it will still linger around. So, what do you think will happen to Kinetic Soldier? Will it remain in your side deck, or is it time for Kinetic Soldier to join the "cool card but I got no space for you" pile?

 

[Zaikiro]

It's tech and the only machine that could stand up to BLS mighty power in the last format. This card seen a lot of side decks. It has always been quite impressive.

Well, with the new advanced format, warriors may have lost their star player (at the same time, changing from chaos-warrior to just warrior most of the time), so does this mean Kinetic Soldier will lose its place in the sidedeck?

Not at all. Arrgo is being play a lot now, with D.D Assilant and Warrior Lady. It is still useful. But D.D Surivor may compete with this also with increased play of Bottomless Trap Hole

In the pass, it's so easy to run into BLS along with its fellow warriors that Kinetic Soldier is a great choice in the sidedeck. Its bonus effect allows you to destroy BLS, or simply be used facedown as a wall for a dumb warrior to run into (and oh look, its defense is suddenly 3800 now! *warrior-player cries*) In late game when most goodies are used up, warrior players will have an even tougher time in destroying Kinetic Soldier.

Not really. We got Dark Hole unbanned.(Which should have "not" happen. It's too broken) There are many ways to destroy it thugh. Like to any other monster. Espacilly that rare from Cyberenetic Revolution. Power Shutdown, and Acid Rain.

Warrior is weakened due to the absense of BLS, but it will still linger around. So, what do you think will happen to Kinetic Soldier? Will it remain in your side deck, or is it time for Kinetic Soldier to join the "cool card but I got no space for you" pile?

Sad the same thing happed to Kycoo the ghost Destroyer and Enraged Enraged Battle Ox.
I believe that this card will be still played(in side decks) . Espacilly with the release of Elemental Enegry. Almosy half of their Super and Ultra rare set are warriors. Elemental Heros may get a lot of play. And who knows...BLS may be unbanned next format.

My Rating.
Traditional: 3.2/5
Avdenced: 3.8/5

Side Deck
Traditional: 3.6/5
Avdenced: 4.0/5

 

[Inuyasha]

been a while. xD Well. first off, lemmie say... I fixed my deck, and the bad list "Blows major @$$."
Secondly... Yata-locks are toally cheap and uber lame.
Third... Sixth Sense seems more of an SDS card to me then useful...
Last... *UNBAN* BLS-Envoy... -gets on his knees and begs-

Although... my deck isnt too bad without it now...

 

[Frostweaver]

Bottomless trap hole isn't really getting "that" much play, enough to bring D. D. Survivor out. D. D. Survivor is usually side deck now to fight his 4 cousins, mainly. Without BLS, Survivior won't be maindecked anymore. I don't think those cards you mentioned are problematic at all for Kinetic Soldier. No one will seriously use those cards because they are so situational...

Enraged Battle Ox will still see play. It's the only way to give a group trample. Even if there is Excarion Universe out which everyone use in the last tourney (THE anti-goat card, but too bad no one will get a chance to copy it because goat is limited right after that tourney, haha), EBO is still the heart of some trample decks and beast-themed decks. Enraged Battle Ox should survive in comparison to Kinetic Soldier and Kycoo.

 

[Zaikiro]

been a while. xD Well. first off, lemmie say... I fixed my deck, and the bad list "Blows major @$$."
Secondly... Yata-locks are toally cheap and uber lame.
Third... Sixth Sense seems more of an SDS card to me then useful...
Last... *UNBAN* BLS-Envoy... -gets on his knees and begs-

Although... my deck isnt too bad without it now...

OMG!! O.O Inu. I though you left. Welcome back. ^^

I would love to see your deck.
Yata lock is impressive.
What's SDS?
Nooooooo. That card is too broken. It really did make chaos. Hence the name of the set it came from "Invasion of Chaos"

Bottomless trap hole isn't really getting "that" much play, enough to bring D. D. Survivor out. D. D. Survivor is usually side deck now to fight his 4 cousins, mainly. Without BLS, Survivior won't be maindecked anymore. I don't think those cards you mentioned are problematic at all for Kinetic Soldier. No one will seriously use those cards because they are so situational...

Enraged Battle Ox will still see play. It's the only way to give a group trample. Even if there is Excarion Universe out which everyone use in the last tourney (THE anti-goat card, but too bad no one will get a chance to copy it because goat is limited right after that tourney, haha), EBO is still the heart of some trample decks and beast-themed decks. Enraged Battle Ox should survive in comparison to Kinetic Soldier and Kycoo.

Bottomless will get a lot of play. Even you said get your Bottomless trap holes. Phoenix and Zombies are comming. Not everyone used Excarion Universe in the last SJC...only 7 our of 8 did >__>

Enraged Battle Ox is losing play due to Scapegota restriction. Even Airknight Pairasph is.

Survivor is gaining play seriously. Espacilly in Strike Ninjas.

Enraged Battle Ox is still good. And I will always have them maindecked...unless something comes up.

 

[Frostweaver]

Until i realized that no zombie deck runs 3 vamp lord anyway >>; it doesn't really matter if vamp lord is limited or unlimited, because it's always going to be 2 of them either way. As for Phoenix, bottomless trap hole is used because the asian list banned DD Assailant but they somehow survived in North America. Together, DD Trap Hole or Bottomless trap hole will see play, but will never completely replace sakuretsu (instead, it's probably going to end up sharing the trap slots. Instead of 2 sakuretsu, you may get 1 sakuretsu and 1 bottomless)

I dunno about Strike Ninjas too well, but don't they want dark food and not light monsters that can't be removed... =o?

 

[Zaikiro]

Until i realized that no zombie deck runs 3 vamp lord anyway >>; it doesn't really matter if vamp lord is limited or unlimited, because it's always going to be 2 of them either way. As for Phoenix, bottomless trap hole is used because the asian list banned DD Assailant but they somehow survived in North America. Together, DD Trap Hole or Bottomless trap hole will see play, but will never completely replace sakuretsu (instead, it's probably going to end up sharing the trap slots. Instead of 2 sakuretsu, you may get 1 sakuretsu and 1 bottomless)

Last time I checked the banlist. D.D Assilant was unabanned :surprised . I will check.

I dunno about Strike Ninjas too well, but don't they want dark food and not light monsters that can't be removed... =o?

D.D Surivor is a dark type monster.

 

[Frostweaver]

k sorry there got the types of DDWL and DDS mixed up

 

[Zaikiro]

It's okay. Mabye it would be better if we spoke of this on MSN.

 

[Frostweaver]

Well time for a new card, shall we? Let's look at a good tech-support card for Blue Eyes Decks and Dark Magician Decks.

Special Summon 1 Normal Monster from your Graveyard in Defense Position. When this card is removed from the field, the monster is destroyed. When the monster is destroyed, this card is also destroyed.

Interesting part of the effect... the keyword here is "destroyed" vs "removed." If someone destroys the trap card, the monster lives because the trap is not "removed." This allows the trap card to be abused with giant trunade, similar to Premature Burial in this sense.

Sadly, only normal monsters can be resurrected. There's only a couple of normal monsters used, and those are Blue Eyes White Dragons and Dark Magician. There are a few other normal monsters, such as the 1800-beatsticks in ocean decks, and a special version of trample decks which use only cards such as Mad Dog of Darkness and Vorce Raiders with Enraged Battle Ox, but they make up a minority at most.

I personally think that this card is greatly underestimated in those two decks. It eases up the burden of Call of the Haunted, and Premature Burial. It allows easier "dump and revive" (though how are you going to do controlled-dumping without Graceful Charity is beyond me.) What do you guys think? Or, does this card have room elsewhere outside of these two deck types as well?

 

[Zaikiro]

Here is a bigger pic of it.

I must say, normals are underrated. If it returned back to the hand by Giant Trudande, it is destroyed. Same with Call of the Haunted. It is just like a Call of the Haunted. But for normal. It could be useful is many cases. To summon monsters like Melminun Shield or Soul Tiger. A great thing about this card, that it is un-restricted. In the past, some normal decks had have to chance to rise. But not often.

You you said frostweaver, it could be useful in Dark Magican and Blue Eyes White Dragon decks, but not always often. This card can do great in a deck of it's own.

Overall Rating.
Traditiona:l 1.5/5
Traditional: Normal Deck. 3.5/5

Avdenced:2.0/5
Avdenced: Normal Deck. 3.0/5

I feel like making a deck of it now.

 

[Ozone Layer]

That my favorite card

 

[Frostweaver]

The problem is that even Dark Magician will feel uneasy with it... Not only does it last for only one round, but it's a dead draw until you get Dark Magician out... Scapegoat is restricted, and the current metagame greatly encourages fast and rapid monster destruction/removal. Really, there's hardly any chance of using this card to hit more than 2 targets anyway.

(well yes Dark Magician of Chaos can use it too... ok fine, so 2 monsters in the world can use it ^^)

It's another rather weak attempt to boost Dark Magician decks... what Dark Magician need is more early support to bring it out faster >>;

 

[Dark Magician ruler]

Not all that ture the socerer of black magic can also use it I hane that card in my magicians deck so it can work trust me I've done it

 

[Forci Stikane]

o_O...I leave for two weeks and you all go through 4 cards...well, let's start...

Kinetic Soldier: EVIL. "Oh, look, the next Structure Deck is going to be Warrior!! And it's pretty good, too!!!" ......*DECKED*

Soul Resurrection: EXACTLY like Call of the Haunted ("removed from the field" includes "destroyed", dudes), except it goes in defense position (for a wall), Normal monsters ONLY, and it's unlimited. However, I've got a BEWD deck, a Dark Magician deck, AND a Normal-Monster-SWARM deck, and I've NEVER needed/wanted to use this card. It's one to side at best.

Diffusion Wave-Motion: Only TRULY useful when countering monster swarms. 'Nuff said.