[YGO] My Own Plant Deck

[Diablerie]

Well Plants seem to be popular around here, and I've also been playing them for a couple years now. This is my current build - I know it looks really random, but it must work, cos a couple days ago it beat out Gladiator Beasts, Lightsworns, Scraps and a Big City E-Hero deck to win a local cash tournament. Anyways, it's well above fourty cards, and I'm having problems with what to cut out/add in. So comments/constructive criticism would be appreaciated - thanks! :)

Monsters (24)
1x Tytannial, Princess of Camellias
2x Lonefire Blossom
2x Gigaplant
3x Mystic Tomato
1x Dark Armed Dragon
2x Ryko, Lightsworn Hunter
2x Cactus Bouncer
1x Spore
1x Debris Dragon
1x Cyber Dragon
1x Thunder King Rai-Oh
1x Botanical Lion
1x Plaguespreader Zombie
1x Gorz
2x Dandylion
1x Effect Veiler
1x Lord Poison

Spells (11)
1x Foolish Burial
2x Book of Moon
2x Miracle Fertiliser
1x Gold Sarcophagus
1x Mark of the Rose
1x Mind Control
1x Monster Reborn
1x Dark Hole
1x Mystical Space Typhoon

Traps (5)
1x Mirror Force
1x Torrential Tribute
1x Dimensional Prison
1x Solemn Judgment
1x Bottomless Trap Hole

Total - 40 cards

Synchros (15) - The usual stuff, plus Splendid Rose and Queen of Thorns.

 

[Apple Juice]

-1 Marshmallon
-1 Cyber Dragon
-1 Lord Poison
-1 Scapegoat
-2 Wall of Thorns
-1 Pollinosis
-1 Miracle Fertilizer
-1 Revival Rose

These cards just seem to crowd your deck and have no actual reason to be there besides there general quality as an individual card, and taking them out will help your consistency, unless you have a reason for keeping these in there.

I'll do a better rate when I have the time. :x

 

[Cirrus]

I would suggest a different set of cards to cut, but Apple Juice has the right idea.

-1 Marshmallon
-1 Revival Rose
-2 Mystic Tomato
-1 Dark Armed Dragon
-1 Scapegoat
-1 Creature Swap
-1 Wall of Thorns
-1 Tyrant's Temper

The rest is general goodstuff, and I think an issue with your deck is that it doesn't synergize extremely well, so you could / should cut another Wall of Thorns, your Pollinosis, your Mystic Tomato, your Plaguespreader, your Thunder King and Cyber Dragon and so on - the general goodstuff - and make your deck synergize more with things like ... Super Solar Nutrient? And so on.

(Depending on what city you live in... 'local cash tournament' is rather undescriptive. I mean I live in Toronto and Jason Grabher-Meyer goes to my local card store. ._. I got to shake hands with him and get a signature. I am having trouble imagining anyone winning Regionals or even a big Locals with this... Sabers and so on run amok at my Locals, along with playsets of Pot of Duality.)

 

[Apple Juice]

As much as I agree with you Cirrus, the only reason I didn't take out the Tomatoes and DaD is because I thought there was some sort of strategy behind the two. Could you explain your reasoning for taking them out? I'm a tad bit curious. :3

 

[Cirrus]

It's a largely inconsistent combo. I realize there is the combo of dumping 3 DARKs into the yard and then dropping Dark Armed, but what if you don't draw into any Tomatoes and you draw into your Dark Armed? Instant dead draw. What if your initial Tomato gets blown up by Ryko or whatever? Instant dead draw for Dark Armed. The deck doesn't run enough DARKs or have enough card dump/draw/graveyard manipulation (basically, speed) to warrant Dark Armed, and as far as I can see the Tomatoes' sole purpose is to drop Dark Armed / be fodder for it for the most part (other than a few borderline usages, like fetching Plaguespreader, which is why I kept it in at all).

 

[Apple Juice]

Well I know it's inconsistent, but thanks for pointing it out. I fully understand now.

In an attempt to stay on topic, how many Splendid Rose/Queen Of Thorns are in your extra deck?

 

[Diablerie]

Also I forgot to mention, there was a Glow-Up Bulb on the way, once I scrounge up enough spare money.

-1 Marshmallon
-1 Cyber Dragon
-1 Lord Poison
-1 Scapegoat
-2 Wall of Thorns
-1 Pollinosis
-1 Miracle Fertilizer
-1 Revival Rose

Hm, I guess most of that stuff could be cut, but isn't Cyber Dragon a staple? It's usually a free summon and doesn't lose any card advantage or anything... Also, Miracle Fertiliser and Lord Poison are pretty useful for reviving stuff like Tytannial, Gigaplant, Queen of Thorns, Splendid Rose or Lonefire and have saved my butt a lot.

-1 Marshmallon
-1 Revival Rose
-2 Mystic Tomato
-1 Dark Armed Dragon
-1 Scapegoat
-1 Creature Swap
-1 Wall of Thorns
-1 Tyrant's Temper

The rest is general goodstuff, and I think an issue with your deck is that it doesn't synergize extremely well, so you could / should cut another Wall of Thorns, your Pollinosis, your Mystic Tomato, your Plaguespreader, your Thunder King and Cyber Dragon and so on - the general goodstuff - and make your deck synergize more with things like ... Super Solar Nutrient? And so on.

I know what you mean - when typing the deck list up, I realised just how random it looked. -_- Well the general consensus seems to be to dump Wall of Thorns, Pollinosis, Scapegoat, Marshmallon and Revival Rose, so I guess they're gone - I'll edit it up top. Actually, I have tried Super Solar before, but it always seemed to be a dead draw for me with all my non-Plant cards, so I'm not really sold on that one...

Depending on what city you live in... 'local cash tournament' is rather undescriptive. I mean I live in Toronto and Jason Grabher-Meyer goes to my local card store. ._. I got to shake hands with him and get a signature. I am having trouble imagining anyone winning Regionals or even a big Locals with this... Sabers and so on run amok at my Locals, along with playsets of Pot of Duality.)

Oh, wow. Well the cash tournament had an $80 prize, and I'd say guys there are fairly pro - most of the decks are tier 1 or 2 and they use stuff like Sabers, Scrap, Monarchs, Blackwings, so they aren't pushovers or anything. Truthfully I did lose a match to a Saber deck, but still went on to win thanks to it being roundrobin style.

It's a largely inconsistent combo. I realize there is the combo of dumping 3 DARKs into the yard and then dropping Dark Armed, but what if you don't draw into any Tomatoes and you draw into your Dark Armed? Instant dead draw. What if your initial Tomato gets blown up by Ryko or whatever? Instant dead draw for Dark Armed. The deck doesn't run enough DARKs or have enough card dump/draw/graveyard manipulation (basically, speed) to warrant Dark Armed, and as far as I can see the Tomatoes' sole purpose is to drop Dark Armed / be fodder for it for the most part (other than a few borderline usages, like fetching Plaguespreader, which is why I kept it in at all).

Well, I guess you're right, but I am kinda fond of DaD. And between Tomato, Foolish and Ryko it usually isn't too hard to get the right number of DARKs in the graveyard, although with Revival Rose it becomes a little more difficult. All in all, I think I may keep it in...

In an attempt to stay on topic, how many Splendid Rose/Queen Of Thorns are in your extra deck?

Just one of each, mainly cos I haven't been able to find any other copies. -_-

Either way, thanks for the advice guys, it's definitely looking a fair bit better now. Was there anything else?

I'm not sure if it matters, but it seems kinda... unbalanced, with a ton more monsters than spells and traps...

 

[Apple Juice]

It does look random, but you should probably test it out and see if you keep drawing hands full of monsters before you change it.

 

[Cirrus]

Dark Armed works. Sort of. But you have to really REACH for it to work... which isn't good for Dark Armed Dragon. The most important thing about Dark Armed Dragon is that you are able to effortlessly blast the opponent with 3 cards off their field and a 2800 beater... if you have to manipulate your cards / draw into Ryko and or Tomato to even pull off Dark Armed (Ryko and Tomato are both fairly inconsistent for you to rely on SPECIFIC cards), you probably shouldn't run it. (Basically, ask yourself this question. Can you run Allure? If so, you can run Dark Armed. If you can't run Allure safely, don't run Dark Armed.)

Foolish should be used on Dandylion / Spore / Glow-Up Bulb, not used as a setup card for Dark Armed. : x

Super Solar Nutrient works in Plant Synchro (really well at that), which is why I advise taking out all of the general goodstuff and making it much more specialized.

 

[Diablerie]

Mm, you're probably right. I'll run some tests with the updated deck, with and without DaD. I actually did have Allures in the deck a little while back, and I could usually pull one off.

One last thing, is Tragoedia worth adding? A friend has a copy he's willing to sell, but I wasn't sure.

Thanks for the help!

 

[Cirrus]

Tragoedia is worthless except in decks that can keep up hand advantage or keep resources... like Gadgets or Monarchs.

Playing Allure is a bad idea if you can pull it off usually... ideally you should play Allure when you draw it. (But I don't know... if you want to play Dark Armed, I guess that's up to you.)

Cut another card, though. Probably a monster.

 

[Apple Juice]

Oh my gosh, Cirrus. You keep stealing me rates!

So yeah, to add 'weight' to what Cirrus said, Trag isn't worth it. And making your deck at a clean, easy 40 cards will increase the fluency of drawing the correct cards by a lot, so yes, you should probably take out another monster of your choice.

 

[Cirrus]

Cutting the Twilight Rose Knight seems fine to me... it is just instant synchro fodder, and you don't need it... you play Plaguespreader, Spore, and Deburi Doragon already.

 

[Diablerie]

...And Glow-Up is coming. Ok, Twilight is gone, cheers.

And that should about do it for the time being...

 

[Apple Juice]

I have to say, I'm not a fan of such a big monster count, but if it works for you, then good job with the deck!

 

[Cirrus]

It's fine. I've run decks with more monsters (the highest I've run is 36 monsters to 4 spells and 0 traps, but that's a bit of a corner case as it was Merchant Pot Turbo... I have run a 27 monster deck and it worked fine though, so I don't think it's that bad. High monster count decks have trouble against Gravekeepers, however, so be forewarned. Royal Tribute is basically a blowout).

 

[Apple Juice]

Well, he can always side against Gravekeepers. And that's a special deck thats surronded around the monsters/spells. Anyways, I was thinking, maybe you could run 2 Mark of the Rose and see how that goes?

 

[123wert50]

Gold Sarc seems a bit slow in a deck like this.

-1 Gold Sarc

+1 BTH (Or another D-Pris, there both nice in here.)

 

[Cirrus]

I agree, actually, but I thought the aim was to simply cut it to forty...

 

[Circuit]

Well, if he wants to improve it further than just cutting to 40 cards, now would be the time to start. But yeah, I would remove Gold Sarc, and put in another Mark of the Rose or a Bottomless. Are you keeping Tomato and DAD then? I would cut them personally, because, as Cirrus said, you shouldn't have to REACH for DAD. It should just be there and you can use it when you need. If you really want to keep DAD, then keep Gold Sarc to pull it out (maybe). I would take it out though, and replace the four cards with 1 BTH, 1 MST and 2 D Prison. If you remove Gold Sarc, put in another Mark of the Rose.