Pokemon Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald Remake Speculation Thread

[C Payne]

There will be expansion of water theme in B2/W2. So far we know that protagonists are wearing swimsuits, there's underwater tunnel, water gym. Also, there probably will be tropical beach town in Unova just like in Hoenn...

Now swimsuits as a hint? If that's the case, wouldn't nearly all regions be remade this gen? Gen I: Cerulean City had a pool gym, with swimmers; Gen II: whirl island area with swimmers; Gen III: Obviously has swimmers, etc.

I didn't say Unova was made only to be hint for remakes. I'm only pointing out its similarities to Hoenn because there are actual similarities.


I thought now that there is problem with Hoenn for 3DS... Full 3d game for 3DS would require large region with cities full of buildings which would actually look like real cities. B/W started it with having Castelia being actually big, but that's only one city.
Honestly, is Hoenn really complex enough to be made for 3DS? It doesn't have large cities, bridges, etc. Imo Hoenn wouldn't make use of 3DS graphics like new, large region would do. I think Hoenn would look perfectly fine in B/W and B2/W2 engine. I'd prefer to save 3DS for new large region, designed for making use of 3DS' potential. Look at this from developers' point of view. Why would they make full 3d engine for region which doesn't really have anything worth rendering to full 3d? Hoenn doesn't even have a single city which is even close to size of Castelia.

What does that have to do with anything, in all honesty? There's more to a region than just cities. Not to sound rude, but when did I even say they would develop the engines for the remakes either way? They more than likely would start it off with a new region. By the logic you are going with(cities), even Unova wouldn't fit the bill because only Castelia would be worth making.

Also, it's pretty obvious that they could easily expand the amount of buildings, etc. Hoenn is even bigger than Unova region-wise and diversity(judging by the games mainly), compare the maps if you fail to see it.

You even forgot about how much cities like Sootopolis(that's even huge, and inside a crater at that; could really benefit from 360 degrees), Fortree City(houses in trees), the views from Mt. Pyre and Mt. Chimney, Mossdeep and the Space Center, inside dive areas, and even the VAST ocean. 3D effects would do greatly as well, with the weather and all. There's tons that could be done to greatly improve the whole 'nature' region that is Hoenn.

No offense, but how can you not see what could be done? Are you wanting them that badly 'right now'?

If it wasn't for the fact that they had gotten a start so early, Unova probably would've been in 3D as well; so that is no excuse to keep RS for the DS(i), if they did happen to start near or after they got the 3DS dev kit.

Once again, I see a small possibility of it being for the DS(i), I'm just trying to point out that they could do them much better justice with the 3DS, imo.

 

[wombateiro]

Now swimsuits as a hint? If that's the case, wouldn't nearly all regions be remade this gen? Gen I: Cerulean City had a pool gym, with swimmers; Gen II: whirl island area with swimmers; Gen III: Obviously has swimmers, etc.

Not generally swimmers, but protagonists living in water themed area. It's really something that reminds of Hoenn.

What does that have to do with anything, in all honesty? There's more to a region than just cities. Not to sound rude, but when did I even say they would develop the engines for the remakes either way? They more than likely would start it off with a new region. By the logic you are going with(cities), even Unova wouldn't fit the bill because only Castelia would be worth making.

Also, it's pretty obvious that they could easily expand the amount of buildings, etc. Hoenn is even bigger than Unova region-wise and diversity(judging by the games mainly), compare the maps if you fail to see it.

You even forgot about how much cities like Sootopolis(that's even huge, and inside a crater at that; could really benefit from 360 degrees), Fortree City(houses in trees), the views from Mt. Pyre and Mt. Chimney, Mossdeep and the Space Center, inside dive areas, and even the VAST ocean. 3D effects would do greatly as well, with the weather and all. There's tons that could be done to greatly improve the whole 'nature' region that is Hoenn.

No offense, but how can you not see what could be done? Are you wanting them that badly 'right now'?

If it wasn't for the fact that they had gotten a start so early, Unova probably would've been in 3D as well; so that is no excuse to keep RS for the DS(i), if they did happen to start near or after they got the 3DS dev kit.

Once again, I see a small possibility of it being for the DS(i), I'm just trying to point out that they could do them much better justice with the 3DS, imo.

They could expand every city in Hoenn with lots of new buildings and add 3d surroundings, but that would make remakes too much different from original versions. They're remakes after all, not 3d visualizations. Anyway, even after expansion, none of Hoenn cities would have that "big city" look like Castelia did.

Having B2/W2 as first sequels to main game in Pokemon history was really valid reason to remake Unova into full 3d for 3DS, but GF still didn't do it. Imo Unova is designed to be looking good in modern graphics more than Hoenn, so if GF refused to make Unova for 3DS, I doubt they will make Hoenn for 3DS.

 

[MaddogSix]

ok people, R/B were remade in Gen III, G/S were remade in Gen IV, if R/S aren't remade in Gen V, then they will be remade in Gen VI, I personally would rather have Yellow remade so I could get all 3 starters again, but R/S are good too

 

[blue]

ok people, R/B were remade in Gen III, G/S were remade in Gen IV, if R/S aren't remade in Gen V, then they will be remade in Gen VI, I personally would rather have Yellow remade so I could get all 3 starters again, but R/S are good too

Either that or we won't get the remakes at all, since the announcement of B2W2 we have no idea what Game Freak will do next.

 

[wombateiro]

I'd say that R/S remakes for DS, more precisely for DSi, will be the last remakes ever because I don't think they will remake D/P/Pt and B/W/B2/W2. One reason is that Platinum storyline would make no sense to be mixed with Diamond or Pearl and Black2/White2 storyline would be impossible to be mixed with Black/White.

Another reason is 3DS' capabilities. I honestly don't see Hoenn/Sinnoh/Unova needing to be made for 3DS simply because they are not complex enough. I think 6 gen region for 3DS should be something looking like real world with streets full of people and cars, not little towns with some buildings. I wish that new region would be something like one big city divided into districts instead of towns.

 

[voicerocker]

I'd say that R/S remakes for DS, more precisely for DSi, will be the last remakes ever because I don't think they will remake D/P/Pt and B/W/B2/W2.

Since they are promoting the 3DS with AR Searcher for B2/W2, there's no reason they'd choose to go backwards and focus on the DSi for R/S/E remakes.

And why can't later games be remade as well? Who says they HAVE to combine 3 games into 2 for remakes to work? The only reason it worked before was because there was no huge differences in the stories, and they could easily have been just added to one another, which is why the Crystal story about Suicune was added. I believe now there could be a chance that if Gen 3 remakes happen, they may actually remake Ruby, Sapphire AND Emerald since the stories are so different.

One reason is that Platinum storyline would make no sense to be mixed with Diamond or Pearl and Black2/White2 storyline would be impossible to be mixed with Black/White.

Platinum is too different from Diamond and Pearl, but Emerald isn't too different from Ruby and Sapphire?

And why can't they just remake Black and White, and Black 2 and White 2 later? A remake keeps the same basic story, so there's no need to change it. If compatibility is lost with these games in the future, there's no reason they couldn't be remade as well.

Another reason is 3DS' capabilities. I honestly don't see Hoenn/Sinnoh/Unova needing to be made for 3DS simply because they are not complex enough.

What do you mean by "not complex enough"? A region's design shouldn't determine whether or not it can be re-modeled into a 3D form, assuming Pokemon were to ever truly become fully 3D in the first place, as they have already said they prefer 2D sprites for the main series.

I think 6 gen region for 3DS should be something looking like real world with streets full of people and cars, not little towns with some buildings. I wish that new region would be something like one big city divided into districts instead of towns.

So, Gen 6 should just be one city rather than an entire country/region? How would Gym battles work if we stay in 1 city? Plus, Pokemon doesn't need to be realistic since it is a fantasy world.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

Just wanna say one thing. There has only ever been 1 DSi Game in existence when the DSi first came out and never has there been one after that. If RSE are made again for this current Generation it will be a DS game, not a DSi game. For it to be a DSi Game the entire game would need to be around the camera function like the original DSi game was.

Its the DS series as a whole that is slowly being shut down, the DSi have maybe a year or so left before Nintendo shuts that one down at the very least. Considering I see the remakes appearing no later than 2014, I see them on the 3DS as well.

As for complexity, there are some very simple 3DS games and there are some very complex DS games. Connectivity isn't an issue as 3DS's do have the original DS's engine in it as well, no one said a 3DS game shouldn't be able to connect with a DS game, they just haven't made one that does yet.

Pretty much all arguments against making it for the 3DS are as superficial as the reasons for remaking the Gen 3 games in the first place. None of them need to be done, but can be done.

Also another superficial connection just randomly thought up.

RBY = Gameboy
GSC = Gameboy Color
RSE/FRLG = Gameboy Advance (First Remakes was on the third Generation system)
DPPt/HGSS = Nintendo DS (Second Remake on Fourth Generation System)

Now Black and White broke the order for Main Series games coming out on the next generation model. As the Fifth Generation System is the 3DS, but if the remakes continue in that order they could come out for the 3DS. The Remakes skip a 1 System update and move to the next Generation.

This fits about as well as the every 10 year thing.

 

[C Payne]

They could expand every city in Hoenn with lots of new buildings and add 3d surroundings, but that would make remakes too much different from original versions. They're remakes after all, not 3d visualizations. Anyway, even after expansion, none of Hoenn cities would have that "big city" look like Castelia did.

Having B2/W2 as first sequels to main game in Pokemon history was really valid reason to remake Unova into full 3d for 3DS, but GF still didn't do it. Imo Unova is designed to be looking good in modern graphics more than Hoenn, so if GF refused to make Unova for 3DS, I doubt they will make Hoenn for 3DS.

I'm sorry, but that made my day.

By what you're saying, why even make remakes then? Remakes are supposed to build upon the storyline/visuals to make an overall better experience.

Ask yourself these questions: Was there a Safari Zone in the original GSC? Was there a Pokethlon in the originals? Was there a BF in the originals? The same goes for any other area changes.

I highly doubt adding in new buildings to town, and I mean regular buildings, with regular people talking about regular Hoenn things, would ruin it and cause them to seem too far from the originals; if anything, they'd feel a little more lively.



Anyways...the buggy thing about this all is that we have no idea how a 3DS region will look like, although that makes trying to picture Hoenn on the 3DS even more exciting. Right now I have a sudden urge to restart Emerald and/or RS yet again, for the heck of it.

 

[wombateiro]

Platinum is too different from Diamond and Pearl, but Emerald isn't too different from Ruby and Sapphire?

We discussed it before, Emerald is not different enough to not being able to be mixed with Ruby or Sapphire. Platinum completely cancels Diamond and Pearl storylines and is unable to be mixed.

So, Gen 6 should just be one city rather than an entire country/region? How would Gym battles work if we stay in 1 city? Plus, Pokemon doesn't need to be realistic since it is a fantasy world.

Every district of that city could have its Gym Leader. And the whole city would be still called "region", with the difference that it would be more urbanized than previous regions. Region like that would totally make use of 3DS' capabilities, with all that urban architecture and upstate areas.

Anyways...the buggy thing about this all is that we have no idea how a 3DS region will look like, although that makes trying to picture Hoenn on the 3DS even more exciting.

I have doubts about Hoenn being made for 3DS because I think that game for 3DS should have ability to rotate view in 360 degrees and Hoenn wasn't originally designed for that purpose. It's the same like Unova wasn't originally designed for 360 degrees and that wasn't changed in B2/W2.
That's why the only way I can agree about R/S remakes being made for 3DS is the situation when GF would make them only for 3DS to improve 3DS sales, but it would be basically the same engine like in B/W, preprogrammed for 3DS with some 3d details added. Those remakes wouldn't be "full" 3d game, and they wouldn't feature 360 degrees view rotation.

 

[Xander Olivieri]

We discussed it before, Emerald is not different enough to not being able to be mixed with Ruby or Sapphire. Platinum completely cancels Diamond and Pearl storylines and is unable to be mixed.

Um...no. Emerald and Platinum do the exact same thing. They combine the two individual stories into one game, and then adds its own spin on it. Pearl and Diamond have a better chance of having Platinum's game story added into them seeing as unlike Ruby and Sapphire, Pearl and Diamond had carbon copy journeys with no changes between them for different teams.

Platinum only changed a few location looks as well as very minor changes to the story up until you get to spear pillar where like in DP Cyrus summons the legendary Pokemon and is stopped before realizing his goal. Difference here is in Pt Cyrus is stopped by Giratina and in DP he is stopped by the three fairies.

Emerald added a new lair for Magma which would have to be added as well as had them constantly switch up on who was the dominant bad guy, then had you leave sootopolis to get Rayquaza to stop their fighting.

Both triads are identical in the third game fused the stories together, but Platinum being mixed in has a better chance than Emerald being mixed in does seeing as Ruby and Sapphire are the only two Pokemon games that have dynamic differences. Its also the only game whose not separated mainly by the Mascot legend. The Bad Guys also separate the game. And Emerald changes the story flow just as much if not more than Platinum did.

 

[MaddogSix]

ok, GF & Nintendo both know that if they do remakes of R/S, they will make lots of money, so they will almost definitely do it, either in Gen 5 or Gen 6
Reasons for Gen 5: Make Hoenn region for DSi and 3DS, Money sooner
Reasons for Gen 6: Completely overhaul the look and feel with full 3D capabilities, Gen 6 might not be compatible with Gen 3 at all

 

[C Payne]

I have doubts about Hoenn being made for 3DS because I think that game for 3DS should have ability to rotate view in 360 degrees and Hoenn wasn't originally designed for that purpose. It's the same like Unova wasn't originally designed for 360 degrees and that wasn't changed in B2/W2.
That's why the only way I can agree about R/S remakes being made for 3DS is the situation when GF would make them only for 3DS to improve 3DS sales, but it would be basically the same engine like in B/W, preprogrammed for 3DS with some 3d details added. Those remakes wouldn't be "full" 3d game, and they wouldn't feature 360 degrees view rotation.

No offense, but duh...the Gba would have been no where near capable of pulling something like a real 360 view off. Have you heard of Sootopolis? It's located within a crater)surrounding the middle 'lake', so that right there is an example of something that would benefit from having a 360 view.

The part how you see them being on the 3DS makes little sense as well. Why would they waste branding it as a 3DS game if it is just going to be mainly DS engine? That would be better off as just a DS game, but with 3DS enhancements; which is what they should have done with BW2(as far as we know, they said we could play them in '2d' on the 3DS in one of those descriptions).

 

[wombateiro]

No offense, but duh...the Gba would have been no where near capable of pulling something like a real 360 view off. Have you heard of Sootopolis? It's located within a crater)surrounding the middle 'lake', so that right there is an example of something that would benefit from having a 360 view.

The part how you see them being on the 3DS makes little sense as well. Why would they waste branding it as a 3DS game if it is just going to be mainly DS engine? That would be better off as just a DS game, but with 3DS enhancements; which is what they should have done with BW2(as far as we know, they said we could play them in '2d' on the 3DS in one of those descriptions).

I still think R/S remakes should be DS game. But if 3DS promotion is needed so badly, I said I can agree with being them branded on 3DS with some new 3d graphic effects just for 3DS selling purpose. But basically they should stay in B/W engine to keep connection with 5 gen.

You don't have to explain something that obvious like GBA being incapable of handling 360 view.
You say about Sootopolis crater benefiting from free 360 view. I've got a bit different idea about this. I can see view angles in Sootopolis changing automatically while player is walking in that city, the same like in places like Castelia or Skyarrow Bridge. In the same way, I can see view angles changing automatically while surfing on those vast ocean routes and while sailing with Mr. Briney to Dewford and Slateport. Free 360 view is not really necessary imo.

 

[C Payne]

I still think R/S remakes should be DS game. But if 3DS promotion is needed so badly, I said I can agree with being them branded on 3DS with some new 3d graphic effects just for 3DS selling purpose. But basically they should stay in B/W engine to keep connection with 5 gen.

You don't have to explain something that obvious like GBA being incapable of handling 360 view.
You say about Sootopolis crater benefiting from free 360 view. I've got a bit different idea about this. I can see view angles in Sootopolis changing automatically while player is walking in that city, the same like in places like Castelia or Skyarrow Bridge. In the same way, I can see view angles changing automatically while surfing on those vast ocean routes and while sailing with Mr. Briney to Dewford and Slateport. Free 360 view is not really necessary imo.

Then what need is there for a free 360 view if the game is going to just be one big sandbox(which you suggested before as like one big city? with different sections)? I was using that as an example because of you saying that nothing would really utilize it, when it could get the job done better than just an automatic rotational view.

Also, there still would be no point in branding them as full 3DS games if they would basically be mostly DS; since the 3DS has DS parts in it obv, they should just keep them for DS, just with 3DS enhancements. It would be a waste otherwise, imo at least.

 

[wombateiro]

Then what need is there for a free 360 view if the game is going to just be one big sandbox(which you suggested before as like one big city? with different sections)? I was using that as an example because of you saying that nothing would really utilize it, when it could get the job done better than just an automatic rotational view.

Also, there still would be no point in branding them as full 3DS games if they would basically be mostly DS; since the 3DS has DS parts in it obv, they should just keep them for DS, just with 3DS enhancements. It would be a waste otherwise, imo at least.

Imo Hoenn, like all other regions created so far, is too small and too simple for getting full 360 view. I think full 360 view will be introduced with new region, designed like real city, not like little "cities" created so far. Castelia is now the closest city in main Pokemon games to that idea.

Imo automatic changes of view like in B/W would be perfect for Sootopolis - when player would be standing on entrance dive spot there would be view of the whole city. When player would be getting closer to gym, view would be getting closer to gym as well. When player would go to left or right side of city, view would also move to left or right side. And finally, when player would be getting close to Cave of Origin entrance, view would be going back to centered point.

Surfing on vast ocean routes and sailing with Mr. Briney could work as Hoenn's counterparts to passing Unova's Skyarrow Bridge, featuring many view eagles changing automatically.

 

[voicerocker]

I really don't think Pokemon is going to have full 360 degree view. Even of Colosseum and XD we kept a very similar viewing standard with the games, only with it changing as needed like in B/W and being able to move more than just up, down, left and right.

The 3DS will just be able to generate better graphics and possibly allow for 3D characters and Pokemon battles, but then how would catching wild Pokemon in the grass work if they go full 3D?

I heard that Game Freak prefers the main games to keep the 2d sprites, so it's very possible that even with a jump to the 3DS, we'll still see 2D sprites return, which isn't really a bad thing as long as the games are fun.

 

[C Payne]

Well even if they were like Colosseum and XD, I wouldn't complain; loved those games. The thing about that is...how would a real overworld work with something like that? Catching Pokemon would be the same as like any battle on those games, except hopefully more fast-paced.

Btw, wombat, I'm not saying it wouldn't work out, I'm just saying it would work well with what I was saying too.

I mean I love sprites and all, but it would be nice to see them gone at least at some point. As far as I know, each angle and stuff of each Poke has to be redrawn and such, so that adds up to a lot of work...which is where the 3D designs of them come in. It would work out for sprites to stay if they just kept like they were doing, with there being one design for each class, etc. and just adding them all over; on top of that, Pokes being the ones in 3D(I guess in battles at least) would be a lot less work for them.


Wait a minute...maybe they could do like the 'entrance' scenes? Like how when you leave for a new town, it just shows you moving away from your current one in a little clip; that could work for switching between towns and routes, etc. I guess, although might be odd. I'm not sure how they'd work it out too well without a free 360 view.

Also, voicerocker, are you saying like a Colosseum style movement and such, but with more of a halfway top down view? Kind of like our standard view now, but just with enhanced graphics and free movement?

 

[iPianist]

There is one more sign that I want to add about that:

In the Nacrene City Museum, the fossil of a Armaldo (the rock/fossil has armaldo's carve on it) is shown.

 

[xGunLuis]

im curious to see if they did remake these two games...what the differences would be from the originals

 

[Xander Olivieri]

im curious to see if they did remake these two games...what the differences would be from the originals

Like the other remakes, hardly any changes would be made to the main story. It would still be the same Story as Ruby and Sapphire. They'd just throw in a small change to some of the cities, maybe add in a few extra traps to the gyms if they don't change the Gym Layout.

A few teams may be redone. And there is the after E4 extra story/Features (Like FR/LG's Sevii Island thing since unlike Gold/Silver, Ruby and Sapphire didn't have an after story.)

Any changes to the story would be small or to give small characters a larger part in the story (Kimono Girls in HG/SS and Bill in FR/LG)

How you get Items would prolly change as well, as a few story items were recieved differently in the Remakes than the originals.

Either way, the games will just be visually updated versions of Ruby and Sapphire. That's pretty much all remakes are.