Gen VII speculation, new features and discussion thread

[Sun]

As well as potentially controversial. Even though I'd still rate BW's Dex well above RBY/FRLG and DP's in terms of variety (it isn't utterly infested with Poison/Water/Normal), a lot of people hated not being able to use any older Pokémon and how many of the new ones were blatant expies/replacements for the older ones. I think B2W2 and XY's Dexes were partially done as a response to the controversy over BW's.

I actually love the idea of regional dexes particularly BW's. As I used to think that old Pokémon were stealing too much spotlight. Then yeah, I realized the flaws of regional dexes -- lack of diversity (bar Kalos and Unova 2, since the respective regional dexes have over 300 Pokémon).

Kalos lacks a lot of new Pokémon, but the type diversity actually grades A++.

Hopefully Gen VII's not gonna face this problem again, in other words old Pokémon are welcomed to be part of other regional dexes. Or Game Freak can create over 300 kinds of new Pokémon (which I highly doubt that's happening anyway).

 

[BettyNewbie]

I actually love the idea of regional dexes particularly BW's. As I used to think that old Pokémon were stealing too much spotlight. Then yeah, I realized the flaws of regional dexes -- lack of diversity (bar Kalos and Unova 2, since the respective regional dexes have over 300 Pokémon).

Kalos lacks a lot of new Pokémon, but the type diversity actually grades A++.

Well, Regional Dexes were mostly invented in the first place as a response to GSC giving more spotlight to the older Pokémon than the newer ones, as well as the fact that the National Dex was starting to get too large to keep within a single region.

BW was the best balanced sub-200 Dex by far, while B2W2 and XY were the most balanced, overall. GF seems to have finally learned from their mistakes with the past Regional Dexes (like clogging the Dex with Water types and putting hardly any Fire types there).

 

[Sun]

Well, Regional Dexes were mostly invented in the first place as a response to GSC giving more spotlight to the older Pokémon than the newer ones, as well as the fact that the National Dex was starting to get too large to keep within a single region.

BW was the best balanced sub-200 Dex by far, while B2W2 and XY were the most balanced, overall. GF seems to have finally learned from their mistakes with the past Regional Dexes (like clogging the Dex with Water types and putting hardly any Fire types there).

Agreed. Fire is rare in nature, while water in nature is more abundant. 70% of Earth's surface is composed by water. We all know that GF are basing on those facts, and then the region's climate in order to create a regional dex. Thus the lack of Fire-types in Sinnoh, while the amount of Fires in Hoenn is a lot more.

Tbh tho, not much people care about that sorta stuff. I prefer diversity over basing too much on the realistic aspect. Gen VII we're looking at you.

 

[BettyNewbie]

Agreed. Fire is rare in nature, while water in nature is more abundant. 70% of Earth's surface is composed by water. We all know that GF are basing on those facts, and then the region's climate in order to create a regional dex. Thus the lack of Fire-types in Sinnoh, while the amount of Fires in Hoenn is a lot more.

Hoenn didn't exactly have "a lot more" Fire types. Not counting Torchic's line, you just had Camerupt, Magcargo, Torkoal, and Ninetales. Considering that Dex had 50 more than DP's, that's pretty bad.

And, DP's Dex wasn't even all that "realistic," because it had exactly as many Ice types as it did Fire types, even though Sinnoh was supposed to be a cold region.

When it comes to Regional Dexes, there needs to be some gameplay and story segregation applied. Remember that Dex diversity isn't just about what you can use but also what NPCs can use. Sure, it makes sense for Ice types to be rare in a hot region, but the end result, in practice, is an Ice E4 who's team is entirely made up of the same two evolutionary families. Larger Regional Dexes mean better quality opponents.

 

[Sun]

Well, Regional Dexes were mostly invented in the first place as a response to GSC giving more spotlight to the older Pokémon than the newer ones, as well as the fact that the National Dex was starting to get too large to keep within a single region.

BW was the best balanced sub-200 Dex by far, while B2W2 and XY were the most balanced, overall. GF seems to have finally learned from their mistakes with the past Regional Dexes (like clogging the Dex with Water types and putting hardly any Fire types there).

Hoenn didn't exactly have "a lot more" Fire types. Not counting Torchic's line, you just had Camerupt, Magcargo, Torkoal, and Ninetales. Considering that Dex had 50 more than DP's, that's pretty bad.

And, DP's Dex wasn't even all that "realistic," because it had exactly as many Ice types as it did Fire types, even though Sinnoh was supposed to be a cold region.

When it comes to Regional Dexes, there needs to be some gameplay and story segregation applied. Remember that Dex diversity isn't just about what you can use but also what NPCs can use. Sure, it makes sense for Ice types to be rare in a hot region, but the end result, in practice, is an Ice E4 who's team is entirely made up of the same two evolutionary families. Larger Regional Dexes mean better quality opponents.

Yeah, larger Dex = better quality opponents; less same Pokémon appearing again and again. *cough*Swellow and Manectric in Emerald.*cough* I hope it's as you said, GF truly realizes their flaws on their regional dexes.

Defensive wise, majority of Grass-types aren't considered as strong, but I'm still waiting for a Grass-type E4 and hopefully there's one in Gen VII. C'mon there are Ice type and Fire types Elites already, so why not the puny Grass-type? Who knows, that Roserade and Ferrothorn might caught the Trainers off guard. XD

 

[skyburial]

Since a new generation typically makes up for the iniquities of the former, I think we'll probably see 120-200 new monsters, some Gen VI and Gen IV mega-evolutions, and new resistances for the Ice type, which has withered into obscurity with the addition of Fairy types.

 

[BettyNewbie]

Defensive wise, majority of Grass-types aren't considered as strong, but I'm still waiting for a Grass-type E4 and hopefully there's one in Gen VII. C'mon there are Ice type and Fire types Elites already, so why not the puny Grass-type? Who knows, that Roserade and Ferrothorn might caught the Trainers off guard. XD

As someone else said earlier, Hoenn's where we should've gotten a Grass E4, as there were plenty of those in the Hoenn Dex--Ludicolo, Breloom, Vileplume, Bellossom, Roselia, Cradily, Tropius, etc. I would've much rather seen a good Grass E4 instead of Glacia and her Sealeo/Glalie/Sealeo/Glalie/Walrein team, I know that.

new resistances for the Ice type, which has withered into obscurity with the addition of Fairy types.

Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. IF GF was going to give Ice more resistances, it would've happened when they changed the chart this Gen. Alas, it appears that they want to just shove the type under the rug and forget about it instead of trying to fix it.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Maybe if they make a sound type they'll make Ice resistant to it in reference to Snowpoint lacking music...Also next Gen we should get a Dragon Eeveelution.


Btw just like Dark was the only post Gen I type that didn't get a gym in it's gen of introduction, Steel is the only one of the three to not have gotten an eeveelution...

 

[Pendraflare]

Of the types that Eevee hasn't had an evolution for, I think that Flying would be the next type I could see them going with. And it's not likely that they'll have a Dark-type Gym if they're just gonna give a bunch of Dark-types to the villainous team like they always do.

And a Sound-type? Just imagine that bouncing off icy walls of a cave...

 

[BettyNewbie]

Maybe if they make a sound type they'll make Ice resistant to it in reference to Snowpoint lacking music...Also next Gen we should get a Dragon Eeveelution.

Yeah... I don't see either happening. If either were going to happen, they would've happened this Gen (which introduced both a new type and a new Eeveelution), not the next one. Plus, "Sound Type" just smacks of bad fanfiction (similar to the infamous "Light Type"). I'd rather GF stay away from Pokémon Brown's new types.

Btw just like Dark was the only post Gen I type that didn't get a gym in it's gen of introduction, Steel is the only one of the three to not have gotten an eeveelution...

That's because Steel wasn't a Special type. All of the Eeveelutions are former Special types (or types that presumably would've been Special, like Fairy), which makes the lack of a Dragon Eeveelution all the more glaring.

 

[Sun]

Fairy-type in a sense, is no different than the fanmade Light-type. Sound-type reminded me of the fangame Pokémon Brown version as well, hahaha. XD Sound-type in a sense is like Normal or even Flying-type, given how Flying-type moves are mostly associated with air. As everyone knows noises and sounds travel through air.

I agree with OrAs, there should be a Dragon-type Eevee. Then again, as the other says, GF is less likely making a creating a Dragon Eeveelution, at least not for Gen VII. So far Eeveelutions make their debut on a even numbered generation. A Flying-type and/or even Bug-type are more forseeable in the future generations.

As for Dark-type Gyms, some people stated that Dark in the Japanese versions is 'aku-typu' which can translate as evil type (or other semilar meanings). So people claimed that is why, there isn't any Dark-type Gyms. < I don't buy this though, if that's the case E4 shouldn't include Dark-type in the first place then. :/ A Dark type Gym should be at least placed as the 5th Gym or beyond, given how most Dark-type are strong on the offensive side.

Makes me wonder the standards for Gyms and E4. *cough* Glacia and Candice's Ice types, Flint and his Fire-types, Volkner and his Electrics. Oh and Lenora, why Watchog? Just why? *cough*

 

[Zaheer]

Fairy-type in a sense, is no different than the fanmade Light-type. Sound-type reminded me of the fangame Pokémon Brown version as well, hahaha. XD Sound-type in a sense is like Normal or even Flying-type, given how Flying-type moves are mostly associated with air. As everyone knows noises and sounds travel through air.

I agree with OrAs, there should be a Dragon-type Eevee. Then again, as the other says, GF is less likely making a creating a Dragon Eeveelution, at least not for Gen VII. So far Eeveelutions make their debut on a even numbered generation. A Flying-type and/or even Bug-type are more forseeable in the future generations.

As for Dark-type Gyms, some people stated that Dark in the Japanese versions is 'aku-typu' which can translate as evil type (or other semilar meanings). So people claimed that is why, there isn't any Dark-type Gyms. < I don't buy this though, if that's the case E4 shouldn't include Dark-type in the first place then. :/ A Dark type Gym should be at least placed as the 5th Gym or beyond, given how most Dark-type are strong on the offensive side.

Makes me wonder the standards for Gyms and E4. *cough* Glacia and Candice's Ice types, Flint and his Fire-types, Volkner and his Electrics. Oh and Lenora, why Watchog? Just why? *cough*

The only explanation that explains why GameFreak rarely puts what fans want into Pokemon and why they are so hungry for downgrading is that they like to anger their fanbase and see how much it affects sales.

I mean..seriously. It must make them hard to browse these sites.

 

[BettyNewbie]

Fairy-type in a sense, is no different than the fanmade Light-type. Sound-type reminded me of the fangame Pokémon Brown version as well, hahaha. XD Sound-type in a sense is like Normal or even Flying-type, given how Flying-type moves are mostly associated with air. As everyone knows noises and sounds travel through air.

I think Fairy IS meant to be our "Light Type" equivalent. Fairy is associated with goodness and love, making it the opposite of Dark (which is associated with evil). The fact that Fairy is strong against Dark is a testament to this.

A Flying-type and/or even Bug-type are more forseeable in the future generations.

Creating Eeveelutions for former Physical types before Dragon would be the ultimate slap in the face, IMO. Even Fairy was pushing it.

 

[Sun]

The only explanation that explains why GameFreak rarely puts what fans want into Pokemon and why they are so hungry for downgrading is that they like to anger their fanbase and see how much it affects sales.

I mean..seriously. It must make them hard to browse these sites.

I've heard that PUSA staff actually browse fan web sites and pages. But then PUSA is uh.. PUSA, I believe they aren't led by Masuda like the main one from Japan. Thus PUSA has no direct influence to the games' planning and creation. If there are any influence from PUSA, it's just the dubbing, translating and marketing part.

Or... Are they perhaps leaning towards the Japanese fans? Since most of the stuff began there. Just look how they are favoring the fans there, Arceus, Keldeo, Victini, etc are all distributed on their Gen VI games. Just my two cents.

Creating Eeveelutions for former Physical types before Dragon would be the ultimate slap in the face, IMO. Even Fairy was pushing it.

For some unknown reasons, heated opinions within the fandom such as Battle Frontier in OrAs but a copy-paste Maison from XY showed up, 'Light-type' didn't surface but Fairy-type instead, Mega Milotic for OrAs didn't make its debut but a Mega Audino is given instead (lol), No Dark-type Gyms since the type's debut while Fairy got its own when it made its first appearance, etc.

You have to wonder of they are trolling the fans, or if the Japanese community actually represents the whole fandom and have a different opinion to the global, thus eventually affecting the development.

P.S. Not hating on Japan/Japanese, I love them. Hopefully my words didn't give a wrong impression.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Yeah... I don't see either happening. If either were going to happen, they would've happened this Gen (which introduced both a new type and a new Eeveelution), not the next one. Plus, "Sound Type" just smacks of bad fanfiction (similar to the infamous "Light Type"). I'd rather GF stay away from Pokémon Brown's new types.



That's because Steel wasn't a Special type. All of the Eeveelutions are former Special types (or types that presumably would've been Special, like Fairy), which makes the lack of a Dragon Eeveelution all the more glaring.

Yeah, but Steel was introduced in Gen II, where the special only wasn't so entrenched, so they could've made one.

Who knows, GF may reset the timeline again so I rather they introduce a new type that has existed for awhile, rather than for the discovery be unexplained like Dark's... Also using your logic a Dragon Eeveelution (Dragon vs Fairy fits the pattern of like Grass vs Ice, Psychic vs Dark (more so this one), Fire vs Water Vs Electric) didn't happen this Gen then like the Sound type it shouldn't happen any time soon.

 

[BettyNewbie]

I've heard that PUSA staff actually browse fan web sites and pages. But then PUSA is uh.. PUSA, I believe they aren't led by Masuda like the main one from Japan. Thus PUSA has no direct influence to the games' planning and creation. If there are any influence from PUSA, it's just the dubbing, translating and marketing part.

Or... Are they perhaps leaning towards the Japanese fans? Since most of the stuff began there. Just look how they are favoring the fans there, Arceus, Keldeo, Victini, etc are all distributed on their Gen VI games. Just my two cents.

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For some unknown reasons, heated opinions within the fandom such as Battle Frontier in OrAs but a copy-paste Maison from XY showed up, 'Light-type' didn't surface but Fairy-type instead, Mega Milotic for OrAs didn't make its debut but a Mega Audino is given instead (lol), No Dark-type Gyms since the type's debut while Fairy got its own when it made its first appearance, etc.

You have to wonder of they are trolling the fans, or if the Japanese community actually represents the whole fandom and have a different opinion to the global, thus eventually affecting the development.

P.S. Not hating on Japan/Japanese, I love them. Hopefully my words didn't give a wrong impression.

I think GF has always favored the Japanese fandom to an extent. Just look at Celebi and the GB Mobile Adapter being JP-exclusive all the way back in Crystal, or even them remaking the JP-exclusive Red and Green instead of the RBY that most of the world got. This stuff's been going on for ages.

Outside of GF being a Japanese company, themselves, I think one reason for this is the fact that Pokémania never really died in Japan like it did in the West. Even when the games were at their lowest point in popularity overseas (Gen 3), they were still hugely popular among kids in Japan, and even pre/teens who played the games didn't face the same social stigma as their Western counterparts. At that time, it literally made financial sense to cater to Japan over everyone else.

Nowadays, though, the franchise has seen a mini-resurgence in the West, while it has started to (slightly) taper off in Japan, so we'll see if that has any impact on GF's decisions in the coming years.

Also using your logic a Dragon Eeveelution (Dragon vs Fairy fits the pattern of like Grass vs Ice, Psychic vs Dark (more so this one), Fire vs Water Vs Electric) didn't happen this Gen then like the Sound type it shouldn't happen any time soon.

It's odd how GF seems so resistant to giving Eevee a Dragon evolution. I mean, we're talking about one of the most popular types and most popular Pokémon, so the marketing possibilities, alone, should be endless with a Dragon Eevee.

Although, it's a possibility that they want Dragon to mostly be the home of large, powerful (and also highly marketable) "badass" Pokémon like Garchomp, Haxorus, Hydreigon, and the Box Legendaries, which an Eeveelution obviously wouldn't fit, but how do you explain the likes of Dragalge and Goodra, then? (The latter of whom I would've happily exchanged for a Dragon Eeveelution. It's past time for another type to be a Pseudo-Legend.)

 

[Sun]

I think GF has always favored the Japanese fandom to an extent. Just look at Celebi and the GB Mobile Adapter being JP-exclusive all the way back in Crystal, or even them remaking the JP-exclusive Red and Green instead of the RBY that most of the world got. This stuff's been going on for ages.

Outside of GF being a Japanese company, themselves, I think one reason for this is the fact that Pokémania never really died in Japan like it did in the West. Even when the games were at their lowest point in popularity overseas (Gen 3), they were still hugely popular among kids in Japan, and even pre/teens who played the games didn't face the same social stigma as their Western counterparts. At that time, it literally made financial sense to cater to Japan over everyone else.

Nowadays, though, the franchise has seen a mini-resurgence in the West, while it has started to (slightly) taper off in Japan, so we'll see if that has any impact on GF's decisions in the coming years.



It's odd how GF seems so resistant to giving Eevee a Dragon evolution. I mean, we're talking about one of the most popular types and most popular Pokémon, so the marketing possibilities, alone, should be endless with a Dragon Eevee.

Although, it's a possibility that they want Dragon to mostly be the home of large, powerful (and also highly marketable) "badass" Pokémon like Garchomp, Haxorus, Hydreigon, and the Box Legendaries, which an Eeveelution obviously wouldn't fit, but how do you explain the likes of Dragalge and Goodra, then? (The latter of whom I would've happily exchanged for a Dragon Eeveelution. It's past time for another type to be a Pseudo-Legend.)

That has something to do with the Japanese culture, most Japanese remain dedicated to those stuff that they like. That is why it is not strange to see Japanese women in their 20s, 30s, 40s and even 50s with Hello Kitty and other Sanrio franchise. That explains why Pokémon remains popular and loved there.

C'mon, there's Altaria and even Dragonite from the very first Generation. -3- That reason is not acceptable for the lack of Dragon-type Eeveelution.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I think GF has always favored the Japanese fandom to an extent. Just look at Celebi and the GB Mobile Adapter being JP-exclusive all the way back in Crystal, or even them remaking the JP-exclusive Red and Green instead of the RBY that most of the world got. This stuff's been going on for ages.

Outside of GF being a Japanese company, themselves, I think one reason for this is the fact that Pokémania never really died in Japan like it did in the West. Even when the games were at their lowest point in popularity overseas (Gen 3), they were still hugely popular among kids in Japan, and even pre/teens who played the games didn't face the same social stigma as their Western counterparts. At that time, it literally made financial sense to cater to Japan over everyone else.

Nowadays, though, the franchise has seen a mini-resurgence in the West, while it has started to (slightly) taper off in Japan, so we'll see if that has any impact on GF's decisions in the coming years.



It's odd how GF seems so resistant to giving Eevee a Dragon evolution. I mean, we're talking about one of the most popular types and most popular Pokémon, so the marketing possibilities, alone, should be endless with a Dragon Eevee.

Although, it's a possibility that they want Dragon to mostly be the home of large, powerful (and also highly marketable) "badass" Pokémon like Garchomp, Haxorus, Hydreigon, and the Box Legendaries, which an Eeveelution obviously wouldn't fit, but how do you explain the likes of Dragalge and Goodra, then? (The latter of whom I would've happily exchanged for a Dragon Eeveelution. It's past time for another type to be a Pseudo-Legend.)

Like Makoto says there are cute Dragons like Dragonite, Altaria, plus there's Goodra. So there is little reason for GF not to make one, plus eeveelutions are highly marketable, just look at Sylveon and XY stuff pre-release. It did take GF three gens to make the highly anticipated grass eeveelution...so perhaps next Gen we'll get our even more anticipated Dragon eeveelution. Btw this Gen having one eeveelution changes how eeveelutions may be handled from now on. It's possible GF made a Dragon eeveelution already but saved it for Gen VII for marketing purposes...

Also as for FRLG over FRWB being chosen according to them it was because Fire and Water seems more war like compared to Fire and Leaf. I actually think I get them now after writing in a story I'm working on about how while water nurtures wood (grass), wood feeds fire, but water simply destroys fire, gaining nothing from it at all. Of course that may just be an excuse like no liking the BF anymore so why not cut it off from ORAS, yet still hint at it to iritate fans...

 

[BettyNewbie]

That has something to do with the Japanese culture, most Japanese remain dedicated to those stuff that they like. That is why it is not strange to see Japanese women in their 20s, 30s, 40s and even 50s with Hello Kitty and other Sanrio franchise. That explains why Pokémon remains popular and loved there.

Yeah, there's less of a stigma attached to adults liking "kids stuff" in Japan than there is in the West. Plus, I think the Japanese fans tend to like more "cute" Pokémon (like Pikachu), while Western fans are more into "badass" Pokémon (like Charizard) and are more obsessed with the battling aspect of the games, in general. (See, for example, Origins getting more hype and higher ratings overseas than it did in Japan. Western fans loved the darker, more serious tone and heavy focus on Charizard, while Japanese fans were mostly bored with it. Like I was.)

C'mon, there's Altaria and even Dragonite from the very first Generation. -3- That reason is not acceptable for the lack of Dragon-type Eeveelution.

Altaria and especially, Dragonite were made before the Dragon Type was turned into a marketing tool for little boys and competitive meatheads (ie. the DS era). And, even back then, I remember a ton of fanboys complained about Dragonite not being "cool" enough to be a real Dragon and wished Charizard and Gyarados had the type, instead. :rolleyes2:

It did take GF three gens to make the highly anticipated grass eeveelution...so perhaps next Gen we'll get our even more anticipated Dragon eeveelution. Btw this Gen having one eeveelution changes how eeveelutions may be handled from now on. It's possible GF made a Dragon eeveelution already but saved it for Gen VII for marketing purposes...

We can only hope that is the case. It would be outright trollish for Dragon to just get ignored like that.

Also as for FRLG over FRWB being chosen according to them it was because Fire and Water seems more war like compared to Fire and Leaf. I actually think I get them now after writing in a story I'm working on about how while water nurtures wood (grass), wood feeds fire, but water simply destroys fire, gaining nothing from it at all. Of course that may just be an excuse like no liking the BF anymore so why not cut it off from ORAS, yet still hint at it to iritate fans...

Yeah, they pulled out some BS cultural excuse (one only needs to look at California right now to know that fire and plants can very much cause "war"), completely forgetting that most people would've preferred getting WaterBlue over LeafGreen simply because Blue was the game they originally got. :rolleyes2:

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Yeah, there's less of a stigma attached to adults liking "kids stuff" in Japan than there is in the West. Plus, I think the Japanese fans tend to like more "cute" Pokémon (like Pikachu), while Western fans are more into "badass" Pokémon (like Charizard) and are more obsessed with the battling aspect of the games, in general. (See, for example, Origins getting more hype and higher ratings overseas than it did in Japan. Western fans loved the darker, more serious tone and heavy focus on Charizard, while Japanese fans were mostly bored with it. Like I was.)



Altaria and especially, Dragonite were made before the Dragon Type was turned into a marketing tool for little boys and competitive meatheads (ie. the DS era). And, even back then, I remember a ton of fanboys complained about Dragonite not being "cool" enough to be a real Dragon and wished Charizard and Gyarados had the type, instead. :rolleyes2:



We can only hope that is the case. It would be outright trollish for Dragon to just get ignored like that.



Yeah, they pulled out some BS cultural excuse (one only needs to look at California right now to know that fire and plants can very much cause "war"), completely forgetting that most people would've preferred getting WaterBlue over LeafGreen simply because Blue was the game they originally got. :rolleyes2:

I wonder what percent of the fanbase is from Japan compared to overseas...at least at the time of Gen I. Well it's more of an elemental harmony thing, also no need to insult one's culture 0_o...

Anyways on topic I'll like to see Torkoal get the Roselia treatment in Gen VII. I hope GF realizes that (some) fans still want some normal evos to old mons.