Competitive Platinum Findings

[kabigon]

It looks like salamence has a chance of being moved to uber with his new gamebreaking outrage.>_>.

 

[AJ™]

I don't think it will.
I think putting Garchomp in Uber was a mistake to begin with. Putting Salamence in there would be even worse.

Technician Scizor also amuses me, and will be going in my team.
80 Base from Bullet Punch. Being a priority move makes it nice too. :D!

Edit: Yay! 900 Posts!

 

[kabigon]

I don't think it will.
I think putting Garchomp in Uber was a mistake to begin with. Putting Salamence in there would be even worse.

Technician Scizor also amuses me, and will be going in my team.
80 Base from Bullet Punch. Being a priority move makes it nice too. :D!

Edit: Yay! 900 Posts!

I dont think putting garchomp in uber is a mistake... because seeing his stupid face in every other wifi battle I have sickens me.

 

[Volkner's Apprentice]

Garchomp definitely needed uberness...who cares if he can survive in the uber tier, he was causing every single team in OU and under to think "Wait! I need a specific Garchomp counter" and that's not what you should be thinking of when constructing a team.

I definitely don't think Salamence is going to go that far though. Need I pinpoint the extreme base defense difference. Once again, get an unpredictable scarfer out that will outspeed Salamence and you've got a OHKO with ice beam before he can dance or go crazy on your team.

 

[Aurafire]

I don't think it will.
I think putting Garchomp in Uber was a mistake to begin with. Putting Salamence in there would be even worse.

Technician Scizor also amuses me, and will be going in my team.
80 Base from Bullet Punch. Being a priority move makes it nice too. :D!

Edit: Yay! 900 Posts!

Scizor just got a lot more dangerous...

I wouldn't like any of my pokemon taking a STAB'd base 80 priority move from someone with an attack stat like that.

 

[LethalTexture]

I feel this discussion would be alot more prudent in S&M.

*moves*

 

[Haza]

I already have a tech Scizor and I will be giving it bullet punch for this reason. Is it possible to enter the Union room with platinum?

 

[Dark Azelf]

Originally Posted by Fat UsainBolt
I was researching to improve the LC metagame by finding out which tutor moves the LC Pokemon get... I wont list all... because I can just list the ones I caught ( the ones in Sinnoh Dex ) , this doesnt include the Swarm Pokemon, etc... I also couldnt catch Pokemon such as Hippopotas, but I think I'll post the left Pokemon soon.


Magby = Fire Punch, Thunderpunch, Snore, Helping Hand, Uproar, Heat Wave, Mud Slap
Azurill = Icy Wind, Knock Off, Snore, Swift, Helping Hand, Uproar
Shellos = Icy Wind, Dive, Snore, AncientPower, Earth Power
Buizel = Icy Wind, Dive, Ice Punch, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap
Wooper = Icy Wind, Dive, Ice Punch, Snore, Mud Slap, Rollout, Aqua Tail, AncientPower, Earth Power
Wingull = Icy Wind, Air Cutter, Knock Off, Ominous Wind,Snore,Swift,Uproar, Mud Slap, Twister
Tangela = Knock Off, Snore, Synthesis, AncientPower, Seed Bomb
Yanma = Air Cutter, Ominous Wind, Snore, Swift, Signal Beam, AncientPower
Combee = Air Cutter, Ominous Wind, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap, Endeavor,
Psyduck = Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Dive, Zen Headbutt, Snore, Swift, Signal Beam, Aqua Tail, Mud Slap
Starly = Air Cutter, Ominous Wind, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap, Heat Wave, Twister, Endeavor
Budew = Snore, Synthesis, Swift, Uproar, Mud Slap, Seed Bomb
Kricketune = Snore, Uproar, Mud Slap, Endeavor
Abra = Fire Punch, Ice Punch, ThunderPunch,Zen Headbutt, Trick, Knock Off, Snore, Signal Beam
Bidoof = Icy Wind, Fury Cutter ( lol ), Snore, Swift, Last Resort, Mud Slap, Rollout, Superpower, Aqua Tail
Shinx = Fury Cutter, Snore, Magnet Rise, Swift, Signal Beam, Mud Slap
Tentacool = Icy Wind, Knock Off , Dive, Snore
Togepi = Trick, Zen Headbutt, Snore, Swift, Last Resort, Uproar, Mud Slap, Rollout, Signal Beam, Endeavor
Magikarp = Bounce !!!!!!!!!
Meditie = Fire Punch, Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, Zen Headbutt, Vacuum Wave, Trick, Snore, Swift, Helping Hand, Mud Slap, Signal Beam
Geodude = Sucker Punch, ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Snore, Mud Slap, Rollout, Superpower, AncientPower, Earth Power
Rhyhorn = Icy Wind, Snore, Uproar, Spite, Mud Slap, Rollout, Superpower, Aqua Tail, AncientPower, Earth Power, Endeavor
Onix = Snore, Mud Slap, Rollout, Iron Head, AncientPower, Earth Power, Twister
Zubat = Air Cutter, Zen Headbutt, Ominous Wind, Snore, Swift, Uproar, Twister, Heat Wave
Ralts = Icy Wind, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Trick, Zen Headbutt, Snore, Swift, Helping Hand, Signal Beam, Mud Slap
Wurmple = Snore
Buneary = Snore, Swift, Last Resort, Helping Hand, Uproar, Mud Slap, Endeavor, Bounce
Drifloon = Icy Wind, Air Cutter, Knock Off, Trick, Sucker Punch, Ominous Wind, Snore, Swift, Spite, Mud Slap, Rollout
Chingling = Icy Wind,Trick, Zen Headbutt , Knock Off, Snore, Helping Hand, Swift, Rollout, Signal Beam,
Hoothoot = Zen Headbutt, Air Cutter, Ominous Wind, Swift, Mud Slap, Twister, Heat Wave
Gastly = Icy Wind, Fire Punch, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Ominous Wind, Trick, Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Snore, Spite, Uproar
Swinub = Snore, Mud Slap, Superpower, AncientPower, Earth Power, Endeavor
Goldeen = Icy Wind, Knock Off, Fury Cutter, Dive, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap, Aqua Tail, Bounce
Barboach = Dive, Icy Wind, Snore, Mud Slap, Aqua Tail, Earth Power, Bounce
Bronzor = Trick, Snore, Rollout, Signal Beam, AncientPower
Mantyke = Dive, Icy Wind, Air Cutter, Snore, Helping Hand, Swift, Mud Slap, Bounce
Nosepass = ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Snore, Magnet Rise, Mud Slap, AncientPower, Rollout, Earth Power,Iron Defense
Pichu = Snore, Helping Hand, Magnet Rise, Swift, Uproar, Mud Slap, Signal Beam, Rollout
Scyther = Ominous Wind, Fury Cutter, Knock Off, Snore, Swift
Gligar = Fury Cutter, Snore, Swift, Aqua Tail, Earth Power
Skorupi = Fury Cutter, Snore, Aqua Tail, Mud Slap
Gible = Fury Cutter, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap, Earth Power, Outrage, Iron Head, Twister
Houndour = Sucker Punch, Snore, Spite, Swift, Uproar, Mud Slap, Heat Wave
Lickytung = ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Zen Headbutt, Icy Wind, Snore, Aqua Tail, Rollout, Mud Slap
Machop = ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Vacuum Wave, Snore, Helping Hand, Superpower, Mud Slap,
Croagunk = Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, ThunderPunch, Ice Punch, Vacuum Wave, Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Snore, Spite, Mud Slap, Gunk Shot, Bounce
Remoraid = Dive, Icy Wind, Snore, Swift, Mud Slap, Signal Beam, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb, Bounce ( Wow... this guy got pretty good things ) !
Finneon = Icy Wind, Dive, Air Cutter, Ominous Wind, Snore, Swift, Aqua Tail, Twister, Bounce
Snover = Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Snore, Synthesis, Mud Slap, Seed Bomb
Snorunt = Icy Wind, Snore, Spite, Rollout
Sneasel = Ice Punch, Fury Cutter, Knock Off, Snore, Spite, Swift, Mud Slap
Magnemite = Snore, Magnet Rise, Swift, Rollout, Signal Beam, Iron Defense
Riolu = Fury Cutter, Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, Zen Headbutt, Vacuum Wave, Snore, Helping Hand, Magnet Rise ( lol.. dun ask me why ), Swift, Iron Defense, Mud Slap
Duskull = Icy Wind, Ominous Wind, Snore, Spite,
Porygon = Icy Wind, Trick, Zen Headbutt, Snore, Last Resort, Swift, Signal Beam
Elekid = Ice Punch, Fire Punch (lol.. no ThunderPunch for you ), Snore, Helping Hand,Swift, Magnet Rise, Uproar, Mud Slap, Signal Beam
Eevee = Snore, Swift, Last Resort, Mud Slap
Swablu = Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Snore, Swift, Uproar, Mud Slap, Outrage, Heat Wave, Twister


So I checked the moves of 58 Pokemon... this probably may not sound pretty much.. but there's kinda surprising things to notice ( Magikarp learnS Bounce ). I hope that I didnt list anything wrong.. I gave my best =o

So have fun with this!

AND

Originally Posted by Fat dbolt
I skipped the snowpoint move tutor for all of these.


Vileplume: Gastro Acid, Seed Bomb


Raichu: ThunderPunch, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Rollout, Signal Beam

only signal beam and knock off


Floatzel: Dive, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Mud-slap, Aqua Tail
Lapras: Dive, Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Ancientpower, Signal Beam
Rapidash: Bounce, Heat Wave
Ampharos: Fire Punch, ThunderPunch, Outrage, Signal Beam
Flareon: Mud-slap, Superpower, Heat Wave
Lopunny: Fury Cutter, Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Mud-slap, Endeavor, Bounce
Delcatty: Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt, Sucker Punch, Mud-slap, Rollout



Typhlosion: Fury Cutter, Fire Punch, ThunderPunch, Mud-slap, Rollout, Heat Wave



Poliwrath: Dive, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Vacuum Wave, Mud-slap
Victreebel: Knock Off, Sucker Punch, Gastro Acid, Seed Bomb
Rampardos: ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Zen Headbutt, Mud-slap, Superpower, Iron Head, Endeavor, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power
Persian: Icy Wind, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb
Claydol: Mud-slap, Ancientpower, Signal Beam, Earth Power, Zen Headbutt, Trick

and a few others i've checked too.

Abomasnow: Ice Punch, Icy Wind, Mud-slap, Outrage, Seed Bomb
Aerodactyl: Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Twister, Heat Wave
Arceus: Dive, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Ominous Wind, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Mud-slap, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Ancientpower, Signal Beam, Earth Power, Twister, Iron Defense, Heat Wave
Aggron: Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, Mud-slap, Rollout, Superpower, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Endeavor, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Iron Defense
Alakazam: Fire Punch, Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Knock Off, Signal Beam
Ambipom: Fire Punch, Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, Fury Cutter, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb, Bounce
Arbok: Aqua Tail, Gastro Acid, Gunk Shot, Seed Bomb
Ariados: Sucker Punch, Signal Beam, Bounce
Armaldo: Fury Cutter, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Superpower, Aqua Tail, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Iron Defense
Articuno: Icy Wind, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Mud-slap, Ancientpower, Signal Beam, Twister
Azumarill: Dive, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Knock Off, Mud-slap, Rollout, Superpower, Aqua Tail
Bastiodon: Mud-slap, Iron Head, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Iron Defense
Beautifly: Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Signal Beam, Twister
Beedrill: Endeavor, Fury Cutter, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter, Knock Off
Bellossom: Gastro Acid, Seed Bomb
Bibarel: Mud-slap, Rollout, Superpower, Aqua Tail, Dive, Fury Cutter, Icy Wind
Blastoise: Mud-slap, Rollout, Aqua Tail, Outrage, Signal Beam, Iron Defense, Dive, Icy Wind, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt
Blaziken: Mud-slap, Superpower, Bounce, Heat Wave, Fury Cutter, ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Vacuum Wave, Knock Off
Blissey: Mud-slap, Rollout, Endeavor, Icy Wind, ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt
Breloom: Fury Cutter, ThunderPunch, Vacuum Wave, Mud-slap, Superpower, Seed Bomb

AND

So far known tutor moves.
Thanks to Stellar:

Palkia:
- Mud Slap
- Aqua Tail
- Outrage
- Earth Power
- Ancient Power
- Twister
 
Dialga:
- Mud Slap
- Iron Head
- Earth Power
- Ancient Power
- Iron Defense
- Twister
 
Mamoswine:
- Mud Slap
- Superpower
- Earth Power
- Ancient Power
- Endeavor
- Icy Wind
 
Celebi:
- Mud Slap
- Ancient Power
- Signal Beam
- Earth Power
- Seed Bomb
- Zen Headbutt
- Trick
 
Azelf:
 - Zen Headbutt
- Mud Slap
- Signal Beam
- Ice Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Fire Punch
- Trick 
- Knock Off
 
Jirachi:
- ThunderPunch
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Mud Slap
- Ancient Power
- Trick
- Iron Head
- Iron Defense
- Signal Beam
- Icy Wind
 
Altaria:
- Mud Slap
- Outrage
- Twister
- Heat Wave
- Air Cutter
- Ominous Wind
 
Venomoth:
- Signal Beam
- Twister
- Air Cutter
- Zen Headbutt
- Ominous Wind
 
Dusknoir: 
- Mud Slap
- Icy Wind
- ThunderPunch
- Ice Punch
- Fire Punch
- Ominous Wind
- Trick
- Sucker Punch
 
Drifblim:
- Mud Slap
- Rollout
- Icy Wind
- Ominous Wind
- Air Cutter
- Trick
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
 
Entei:
- Mud Slap
- Iron Head
- Heat Wave
 
Meganium:
- Mud Slap
- Outrage
- Ancient Power
- Seed Bomb
- Fury Cutter
 
Clefable:
- Mud Slap
- Rollout
- Endeavor
- Signal Beam
- Bounce
- Icy Wind
- ThunderPunch
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Trick
- Knock Off
 
Jynx:
- Mud Slap
- Signal Beam
- Icy Wind
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Trick
 
Arcanine:
- Mud Slap
- Iron Head
- Heat Wave
 
Absol:
- Mud Slap
- Super Power
- Bounce
- Fury Cutter
- Icy Wind
- Zen Headbutt
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch

I got this from smogon, Just thought it may help !.

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

*looks at Azelf's move tutor moves*

Is a CB Azelf viable now? xp

 

[Dark Azelf]

*looks at Azelf's move tutor moves*

Is a CB Azelf viable now? xp

WAY ahead of you lol


Azelf@Choice Band
42 HP / 252 ATT / 216 SPEED
Jolly Nature
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- Zen Headbutt
- Trick / U-Turn / Explosion/ Thunderpunch


Zen headbutt has a good change to 2hko Max hp / max def bold Blissey =3.

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

lololololol

It's just weird thinking about CB Azelf considering we all think of him as a special sweeper.

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Adamant
64 HP/252 ATK/192 SPD
Ice Shard
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Superpower

Wonder how this handles Skarm and Zong.

Azelf @ Life Orb
Naive
36 ATK/252 SPATK/220 SPD
Psychic
Fire Punch
Explosion
U-Turn/Grass Knot/Thunderbolt?

Or a little twist over the current Life Orber.

 

[Dark Azelf]

lololololol

It's just weird thinking about CB Azelf considering we all think of him as a special sweeper.

Mamoswine @ Choice Band
64 HP/252 ATK/192 SPD
Ice Shard
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Superpower

Wonder how this handles Skarm and Zong.

Choice Band Super Power does 51% Average to standard Zong =o.

 

[Samson]

omg thank you for posting that DA. arbok is now back in business w/ Aqua Tail and Seed Bomb. i'm so happy for it =)

*take that sandslash/gastrodon*

 

[Dark Azelf]

Originally Posted by Fat Arael

Machamp gets Superpower;
Mesprit and Uxie get the Elemental Punches, Knock Off, Signal Beam and Trick;
Banette gets Icy Wind;
Hitmontop and Infernape get Endeavor;
Roserade gets Seed Bomb, rofl;
Earth Power for Ho-oh;
And nothing for Gardevoir :/

And, once again, Earth Power for Shaymin...

And apparently Honchrow gets Heat Wave too, aswell as Shaymin getting Zen Headbutt and Seed Bomb.







EDIT : -

Cacturne: Mud-slap, Superpower, Seed Bomb, Snore, Spite, Synthesis, Fury Cutter, ThunderPunch, Sucker Punch

Camerupt: Mud-slap, Rollout, Iron Head, Earth Power, Heat Wave, Snore

Carnivine: Mud-slap, Gastro Acid, Seed Bomb, Snore, Synthesis, Fury Cutter, Knock Off

Castform: Snore, Last Resort, Swift, Icy Wind, Ominous Wind

Charizard: Mud-slap, Outrage, Twister, Heat Wave, Snore, Swift, Fury Cutter, ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Ominous Wind, Air Cutter

Chatot: Mud-slap, Twister, Heat Wave, Snore, Swift, Uproar, Ominous Wind

Cherrim: Rollout, Seed Bomb, Snore, Helping Hand, Synthesis

Chimecho: Rollout, Signal Beam, Snore, Helping Hand, Last Resort, Uproar, Icy Wind, Zen Headbutt, Trick, Knock Off

Cloyster: Signal Beam, Iron Defense, Snore, Swift, Dive, Icy Wind

Dunsparce: Zen Headbutt, Mud-slap, Rollout, Aqua Tail, Endeavor, Ancientpower, Snore, Spite, Last Resort

Forretress: Rollout, Signal Beam, Iron Defense, Snore, Magnet Rise

Steelix: Mud-slap, Rollout, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Ancientpower, Earth Power, Twister, Snore, Magnet Rise

 

[Alakazam17]

Crap....I guess I'm finally going to post again in this section. XD

I'm actually happy for Bibarel, of all things. He now gets Curse, which thanks to his ability, is like Swords Dance + Iron Defence in one turn. @_@

Before this news came out, I figured I'd be changing a few of my movesets for the Platinum release. But after hearing all this there may not be a single one I plan to leave as is. Heck, even my Luvdisc will be getting an upgrade! :D

 

[Waffle-San]

Is everything learning an Elemental Punch these days. Looks like DPP could become a little more creative/dangerous.

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

And apparently Honchrow gets Heat Wave too, aswell as Shaymin getting Zen Headbutt and Seed Bomb.







EDIT : -

Whoa, Earth Power Sky Shaymin?

That thing is definitely in ubers... not even Meta and Tentacruel can stand up to it now.

EDIT: anything more on Toggy? Does he get anything good?

 

[sims796]

All I care about is Vileplume. Call me when it get's the Snow Point City tutors.

 

[Volkner's Apprentice]

So um yeah, Poliwrath. Pwnage.

 

[AJ™]

A lot of these Pokemon are getting the strangest moves I've ever seen.