Choice Scarf Cresselia = Garchomp counter. Oh what now! (If you take that seriously I will do everything in my power to run you out of this thread lol :P) To its credit it does beat the uncounterable set :P
I really wish I had a link to MoP's post awhile back about this but I'm too lazy to search Smogon. Garchomp will probably be banned anyways. It's really easy to play around and even easier to revenge kill though. I compared it to SD FO Cross and all I ever get is "Garchomp is a lot faster and half the time he can switch out of Outrage." Interesting, because all of the time Heracross can switch out and decimate every slow wall in the game. Garchomp is either trapped and revenge killed, or its sweep is temporarily stopped (and at around 50% health it's a lot harder to switch in).
Yeah SD FO cross dies quicker and is easily revenge killed, but Garchomp is easy to revenge kill. Its yache berry will probably be gone, so feel free to ice shard it to hell. About every choice scarfer in the game outspeeds it can can KO it (assuming that your counter wore it down with an Ice Beam to break its berry before biting the dust to Outrage).
what I'm saying is that Garchomp has the ability to pretty much destroy every slow wall in the game with the uncounterable YacheOutrage chomp. However, various revenge killers can stop it from sweeping teams.
Also, remember that the metagame is highly offensive. Garchomp can take a beating repeatedly switching in on certain pokemon (for example, it is known to do great against SDluke, but if you switch in on LO Close Combat half of your health is gone,and all of a sudden you aren't uncounterable). Garchomp is very bulky, but even a lot of walls can't stand up to sweeping powerhouses that exist these days.
Quite frankly, I prefer both CBchomp and Scarfchomp to most any variant of SDchomp. BTW special mention goes out to Bronzong, who can survive one SD Fire Fang and sleep or blow up on Garchomp.
Also, with most teams being offensive these days, the idea of countering something isn't as important as it used to be.
Honestly though I would not be sad to see it go. It is the most powerful pokemon in OUs and it is on more than 1/3 of teams. Peopole are so paranoid about it and a lot of people overprepare. That is "over centralization," so maybe it should be banned. I just don't think that SDchomp is THAT much better than other fearsome sweepers like Salamence, Lucario, and Gyarados.
BTW I expect Garchomp to be banned after this month's ladder without Garchomp is over. Usually a counter and something to revenge kill it as a safety net works just fine, but I guess other people don't feel that way. I mean that's what I did with the presidents team and it worked just fine.
Yeah that's pretty much what I think. I know you all disagree but eh, just wanted to share my thoughts :P
BTW I haven't read through all of this thread, but if anybody is using the "Cress comes in to counter SDchomp and eats CB Outrage and dies in two hits so there, no counters" argument, you aren't thinking. Yeah CBchomp beats cresselia, but CBchomp isn't the reason people want garchomp uber. Not only that, but Garchomp isn't the only pokemon wherte one pokemon can't counter all of its sets. Take Lucario for example. Yeah Gliscor and weezing beat up SDluke, but if it's specsluke, they die. Just to say that in case somebody has or somebody wants to say that.
EDIT: For the recrod I'm not saying SD FO cross is the threat Garchomp is. It's the best analogy I could come up with lol
I do think Garchomp should be banned because it really affects peoples' teams these days. I don't think it SHOULD though, which is more what I'm trying to say I'm thinking. lol it's only a matter of time before that backlash comes :(
