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    Maybe, but on the other hand, Misty also returned when May was among the group, and it was pretty clear that Misty didn't feel even remotely jealous of May's interaction with Ash, and if May didn't make Misty jealous, I'm extremely doubtful that Serena will make Misty jealous either. Not to mention, they also brought Charizard back (even upgrading him to being an Oak Pokémon instead of a loaned Pokémon) even when they really didn't need to do so (especially not make him an Oak Pokémon and thus make him a semi-permanent roster on Ash's team), so they probably could bring Misty back and come up with something non-shippy to do (like a water tournament. After all, we've got a pure Water type E4 member in Kalos, anyways, and we do need Misty to actually pursue and complete her Water Pokémon Master goal instead of being forced to run a gym).

    And if Pokémon's not even on the Top 10, then the show's definitely in real deep trouble, since if the decreasing ratings aren't enough to convince people it's going to fail, it not even being on the top ten sure is. And I blame Misty's removal in part for the decreasing ratings.

    Maybe, but Haruka wasn't even harbouring feelings for the Kantou native compared to Serena (and really, marketing people from XY series had rly made a real fuss with that. Valentine posters, Summer poster, character charts and actually a potential date episode [AKA, the "fabled episode" as people from the amour thread on Serebii have called to that episode]), so, given that Kasumi and Serena are actually the 2 only main charas. (not CotW like Lila, Moe or Aoi) to have feelings for Satoshi, well, it's unavoidable the jealously (mostly from Kasumi given that she's more of a hothead and a tsundere) and even bickering about him (Serena saying Satoshi is a hontou ni sugoi toreenaa [really amazing trainer] and Kasumi saying Satoshi is a bakayarou [retard] and a a dame-toreenaa [failure trainer]). Very much a DekaRed vs DekaBlue/Taichi vs Yamato scenario (bickering in casual situations, but being real pals on dangerous situations). Given the Serena's profile, it's logical Kasumi would return with a tsundere-ish and jealously behaviour but that would be only if Satoshi's conlusion is confirmed and Pokemon takes the Super Sentai formula (replacing characters every series, but everyone is connected in some sense), however, that would be likely impossible for now.

    As for tv ratings, if Satoshi's finale and the logical timeskip is announced, tv ratings would spike strongly. DBGT's ratings spiked when New Dr. Slump was announced as its replacement as seen here (these are the rating for the last 10 episodes

    EP55 got 11,5% (Vegeta's flashback about his feud with Goku)
    EP56 got 14,3% (San Shinron/3 star dragon appears)
    EP57 got 12,4% (Ii Shinron/1 star Dragon appears and kills Suh Shinron/4 star dragon)
    EP58 got 13,3% (Goku gets saiya power from Gohan, Goten and Trunks to fight against Ii Shinron)
    EP59 got 12,0% (Vegeta gets Blutz rays to go SSJ4)
    EP60 got 14,0% (Super Gogeta 4 appears)
    EP61 got 14,6% (Goku eats the Sushinchuu/4 star DB. 1st New Dr. Slump's preview is aired)
    EP62 got 15,6% (Suh Shinron saves Goku and Vegeta reverts to his base form. 2nd New Dr. Slump's preview)
    EP63 got 16,1% (Goku kills Ii Shinron with a cho-genkidama, 3rd New Dr. Slump's preview)
    EP64 got 18,9% (Final episode. Goku goes away with Shenron. Last New Dr. Slump's 1st episode preview)

    Source: Kanzenshuu

    So, announcing Pokemon would be replaced with another show will make people getting curious and getting a newfound interest about Satoshi's finale. And i've put DBGT's example because is very similar to Pokemon XY regarding marketing revenue and tv ratings performance (saving the proportions, getting 18% in 1996/97 means more or less to get 5,5% actually). And Dragon Ball franchise was very much an institution in mid 90's very much like Pokemon was on early 2k and late 2008
     
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    Maybe, but Haruka wasn't even harbouring feelings for the Kantou native compared to Serena (and really, marketing people from XY series had rly made a real fuss with that. Valentine posters, Summer poster, character charts and actually a potential date episode [AKA, the "fabled episode" as people from the amour thread on Serebii have called to that episode]), so, given that Kasumi and Serena are actually the 2 only main charas. (not CotW like Lila, Moe or Aoi) to have feelings for Satoshi, well, it's unavoidable the jealously (mostly from Kasumi given that she's more of a hothead and a tsundere) and even bickering about him (Serena saying Satoshi is a hontou ni sugoi toreenaa [really amazing trainer] and Kasumi saying Satoshi is a bakayarou [retard] and a a dame-toreenaa [failure trainer]). Very much a DekaRed vs DekaBlue/Taichi vs Yamato scenario (bickering in casual situations, but being real pals on dangerous situations). Given the Serena's profile, it's logical Kasumi would return with a tsundere-ish and jealously behaviour but that would be only if Satoshi's conlusion is confirmed and Pokemon takes the Super Sentai formula (replacing characters every series, but everyone is connected in some sense), however, that would be likely impossible for now.

    Apparently, neither you or Famon have heard of Advanceshipping (you know, MayxAsh), not that I believe in the ship myself, or any shipping for that matter (I only believe in ships if they are either Romeo and Juliet or most Disney ships, specifically those that are love at first sight). And besides, if I remember correctly, Misty got miffed with Melody since the latter gave a welcoming kiss in Pokémon the Movie 2000, and neither Melody nor Ash even have the hots for each other beyond that. That alone, especially if Pokeshipping is canon, would have made Misty somewhat jealous of May even if there isn't any shipping going on. Hence why I have doubts about Misty getting jealous of Serena. Serena being jealous of Misty? Maybe that might be the case, but I don't know about that either.

    Either way, I could think of plenty of ways to have Misty return, all of which actually relate to her character and goals, and barely any even deal with shipping of any sort (I'm not a believer in Pokeshipping due to it not being a Love at First Sight type of shipping). And I'm not sure if Misty's personality actually was subsided in AG either. Sure, she didn't really hit Ash or the others, but she did do some teasing, and she did get angry at various points as well as scream when beedrill were chasing her in her second reappearance, which is all stuff she did beforehand (especially beedrill and bug Pokémon in general).

    And as far as the "date episode," that's likely to just be false advertising just to inspire intrigue for the viewers and as a cheap way to gain some ratings and probably won't be as much as they think it is (besides, Ash and Serena are 10. Why would they even bother with romance when they are underage and not even going through puberty yet). Don't forget, Date with Delcatty's Japanese title implied that Misty would do a life-risking action, when she really doesn't even do anything that actually risked her life in any way, and Luvdisc is a Many Splendored Thing's Japanese promos implied that Orangeshipping (Misty and Tracey) would be canon over Pokeshipping, when in the actual episode, most of the "hints" were from Daisy's overactive imagination, and even the one bit that actually was reality was due to Luvdisc basically using attract between the two for the purposes of their water show. The Simpsons' recent season even did something like that with its season premiere, teasing that an important character would be killed off, when in the actual episode, the only character who died was Krusty's dad, who clearly wasn't an important character at all and if anything was moreorless a background character, a minor character at best. Now, who knows, maybe they actually are intending for it to be canon this time around, but it's better to just take any indications that they'll actually enter a relationship with a grain of salt, especially considering the show's past history of giving misleading titles and previews.

    As for tv ratings, if Satoshi's finale and the logical timeskip is announced, tv ratings would spike slightly. DBGT's ratings spiked when New Dr. Slump was announced as its replacement as seen here (theae are the rating for the last 10 episodes

    EP55 got 11,5% (Vegeta's flashback about his feud with Goku)
    EP56 got 14,3% (San Shinron/3 star dragon appears)
    EP57 got 12,4% (Ii Shinron/1 star Dragon appears and kills Suh Shinron/4 star dragon)
    EP58 got 13,3% (Goku gets saiya power from Gohan, Goten and Trunks to fight against Ii Shinron)
    EP59 got 12,0% (Vegeta gets Blutz rays to go SSJ4)
    EP60 got 14,0% (Super Gogeta 4 appears)
    EP61 got 14,6% (Goku eats the Sushinchuu/4 star DB. 1st New Dr. Slump's preview is aired)
    EP62 got 15,6% (Suh Shinron saves Goku and Vegeta reverts to his base form. 2nd New Dr. Slump's preview)
    EP63 got 16,1% (Goku kills Ii Shinron with a cho-genkidama, 3rd New Dr. Slump's preview)
    EP64 got 18,9% (Final episode. Goku goes away with Shenron. Last New Dr. Slump's 1st episode preview)

    Source: Kanzenshuu

    So, announcing Pokemon would be replaced with another show will make people getting curious and getting a newfound interest about Satoshi's finale. And i've put DBGT's example because is very similar to Pokemon XY regarding marketing revenue and tv ratings performance (saving the proportions, getting 18% in 1996 means more or less to get 6% actually).

    Maybe, but then again, Pokémon's been replacing shows since AG was made, and in fact it's been through five shows thus far (Original Series, Advanced Generation, Diamond and Pearl, Best Wishes, and now XY), so I'm doubtful that they'll get interest in.
     
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    Well bringing back older highly popular characters while usually saved as last resort, is one of strategies which in most cases helps to increase faltering reputation and popularity of any anime. Depending on how strong following, loyalty and interest among fans that character enjoys.
    Because based on responses, love, constant talk and share of opinions between people there exists massive demand for Misty return to pokemon series. Im not talking about few hundreds, but in reality hundreds of thousands of people based on responses on internet, all kind of sites, youtube, petitions , tumblr etc asking for exact same thing. That Misty returns in pokemon.


    With people being interested in writers continuing with development of older forgotten characters who have just as enjoyable, if not more fun personalities and unfinished dreams, unresolved questions and mysteries about themselves giving material for plausible, creative and endearing storyline. Rather than seeing new ones getting all attention they can have, while older ones who have room and potential to offer more are lying in dust forgotten like they never matered.

    People want continuity, consistency in storyline and revisit their chiodhood memories and characters they grew to like and were able to identify themselves with refreshed, updated and enriched with new skills, quirks and enjoyable details in their lives, dreams and storyline.

    Something focus on older generations and important companions which meant something to plot and Ash character are more than capable of delivering.

    p.s. On side note, i dont know what are people talking about? But Misty personality was great in Hoenn and chronicles.

    She was hilarious brimming with spunk, playful enthusiasam, shy and insecure nature and witty sarcasm liking her interactions with Ash, Brock or Max when relating to each other over older siblings(that moment in cave between them was heartwarming with Misty acting like older sister to him), Badass as well perplexing everyone when using gyarados being full of pride, confidence and slight arrogance in positive way of not letting others to mess up with her like colonel Hanson.
    Keeping Brock under control with that ear pull to distance him asway from princess SArah being truily priceless leaving May and Max impressed.

    She was still playful, terrified of bugs shaking and acting nervous like crazy while expressing lot of emotion when having to say goodbye to her Togetic.

    She still showed outbursts such as Psyduck teasing her over having crush on another boy when Georgio asked her on date, Being all angry. Annoyed when Casey and Sakura thought Tracey was her boyfriend pushing him away making her irked that everyone assume this. Sassy toward her older sister Daisy when chasing TR in Luvdisc chronicle special and her carefree behavior,.
    But also developed closer bond with her oldest sisters with their teamwork in defeating Butch and Cassidy being pretty sweet.

    She even bickered with Ash just like in good old days when coming to dr. Yung castle over who is better trainer and got furious at colonel Hanson for wanting her Togepi.

    Misty in Hoenn was still tomboyish, witty and caring girl we all know and like. She was only more mature, tolerant and confident in her abilities which was great character development for her.

    Allowing to earn sisters respect for her battle skills, taming berserk Gyarados, showing high level of resourcefulness when protecting Togepi and taking care of Max and Pikachu when lost in forest. And interacted with Ash in playful more smartass way still teasing him and challenging his ego coming in clash being annoyed. But instead of hatred, we witnessed to desire in outsmarting each other and brag about their skills showing above everything respect and admiration. Reflecting how much their friendship evolved coming to accept differences and qualities feeling like long time friends who have close and un breakable bond between themselves.

    Given the Serena's profile, it's logical Kasumi would return with a tsundere-ish and jealously behaviour but that would be only if Satoshi's conlusion is confirmed and Pokemon takes the Super Sentai formula (replacing characters every series, but everyone is connected in some sense), however, that would be likely impossible for now.

    Wouldn't people be actually more interested if Misty were to return in other things beside just serving as vector in helping push concept of romance and Ash love story in anime though?

    Like her own story, dreams and interests. Such as career of becoming water pokemon master which she never accomplished? Possibility to mega evolve her pokemon like Gyarados making massive improvement as trainer?
    Enter strong tournaments with high competition, whether its expansion on Whirl Cup, Battle Chateau, maybe something even on global basis like World Cup was helping her to come closer toward achievement of her dreams?

    Meeting prestigious water experts like E4 Sirebld who is first elite trainer specializing in water pokemon helping Misty to unlock hidden potential of her pokemon, become more skilled trainer, learn to use Psyduck properly?

    Possibly taking Misty as his apprentice preparing to become E4 member one day hersečf. Sice she said ghow she wishes to become strongest water trainer in world wanting to become powerful as her idol Lorelei/Prima. Dreaming to reveal whole world how unique and adaptable water specie ids.

    Or Misty unresolved flaws and insecuritioes. Such as bug phobia making her meet peculiar water pokemon like Surskit who is half big, or strangely design pokemon like Binnacle causing conflict and struggling in character. In having to get over her prejudices of measuring pokemon by looks, instead of their inner beauty.

    Get over her issues with older sisters telling them what bugs her about their behavior and irresponsibility.Taking advantage of her kindness and feel of guilt in not wanting to risk her home ending shut down, having difficulties in expressing her feelings about it. As evidenced in taking over gym mainly because of them being lazy and selfcentered, feeling she has no choice to stay until problem with Cerulean gym gets resolved, Putting her own dreams on hold to help family out expressing frustration and disappointment over not being able to count on her family when talking to Max.

    To add on writers could even enrich whole story by revealing more of her past by introducing parents. They could be some high class water trainer with their daughter wanting to gt acknowledged by them as good trainer having potential to become one day good as they are fearing to fail to fulfill their expectations.
    By finding out about her parents we could also find out why she started to prefer water giving us insight in her past.
    Etc.

    There exists a lot more reasons which hold higher value, importance and innovation in making Misty relevant to pokemon series again.

    Than just exploring more on her feelings for Ash in reality and delivering new dimension to character interactions abnd relationship currently existing in XY between Ash, Serena, Clemont and Bonnie.
    Just saying.

    Apparently, neither you or Famon have heard of Advanceshipping (you know, MayxAsh), not that I believe in the ship myself, or any shipping for that matter (I only believe in ships if they are either Romeo and Juliet or most Disney ships, specifically those that are love at first sight). And besides, if I remember correctly, Misty got miffed with Melody since the latter gave a welcoming kiss in Pokémon the Movie 2000, and neither Melody nor Ash even have the hots for each other beyond that. That alone, especially if Pokeshipping is canon, would have made Misty somewhat jealous of May even if there isn't any shipping going on. Hence why I have doubts about Misty getting jealous of Serena. Serena being jealous of Misty? Maybe that might be the case, but I don't know about that either.

    Well to be fair Misty only got jealous, upset and grumpy if other girl flirted with Ash, got too close to him or expressed love interest. Giving Misty reason to react abruptly.

    Such as Melody kissing Ash on cheek and zooming around him trying to gsther his attention. When Ash got interested in Giselle startoing to blush and stare in her. When fire trainer Macy in Johto leasue asked Ash to take her on dinner, flirting infront of Misty and implying to be perfect person for her in "becoming couple" etc.

    May when Misty made return didnt do any of those things, didnt even insinuated in any shape or form how she has romantic interest in Ash. So in reality its not like Misty had reason to be jealous, shocked and in dibelief developing any kind of displease.

    Serena is on other hand different story though, not hiding that she clearly has feelings for Ash. So Misty encounter with her could arguably bring more drama and disharmony in interactions between two girls,. Learning to overcomne their differences and misunderstanding with close friendship eventually blossoming out of it.

    Because we do have to take in account how character interactions and way in which theyll react is defined by circumstances, situations, other people and how would their personality mesh between each other.
     
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    Apparently, neither you or Famon have heard of Advanceshipping (you know, MayxAsh), not that I believe in the ship myself, or any shipping for that matter (I only believe in ships if they are either Romeo and Juliet or most Disney ships, specifically those that are love at first sight). And besides, if I remember correctly, Misty got miffed with Melody since the latter gave a welcoming kiss in Pokémon the Movie 2000, and neither Melody nor Ash even have the hots for each other beyond that. That alone, especially if Pokeshipping is canon, would have made Misty somewhat jealous of May even if there isn't any shipping going on. Hence why I have doubts about Misty getting jealous of Serena. Serena being jealous of Misty? Maybe that might be the case, but I don't know about that either.

    Either way, I could think of plenty of ways to have Misty return, all of which actually relate to her character and goals, and barely any even deal with shipping of any sort (I'm not a believer in Pokeshipping due to it not being a Love at First Sight type of shipping). And I'm not sure if Misty's personality actually was subsided in AG either. Sure, she didn't really hit Ash or the others, but she did do some teasing, and she did get angry at various points as well as scream when beedrill were chasing her in her second reappearance, which is all stuff she did beforehand (especially beedrill and bug Pokémon in general).

    And as far as the "date episode," that's likely to just be false advertising just to inspire intrigue for the viewers and as a cheap way to gain some ratings and probably won't be as much as they think it is (besides, Ash and Serena are 10. Why would they even bother with romance when they are underage and not even going through puberty yet). Don't forget, Date with Delcatty's Japanese title implied that Misty would do a life-risking action, when she really doesn't even do anything that actually risked her life in any way, and Luvdisc is a Many Splendored Thing's Japanese promos implied that Orangeshipping (Misty and Tracey) would be canon over Pokeshipping, when in the actual episode, most of the "hints" were from Daisy's overactive imagination, and even the one bit that actually was reality was due to Luvdisc basically using attract between the two for the purposes of their water show. The Simpsons' recent season even did something like that with its season premiere, teasing that an important character would be killed off, when in the actual episode, the only character who died was Krusty's dad, who clearly wasn't an important character at all and if anything was moreorless a background character, a minor character at best. Now, who knows, maybe they actually are intending for it to be canon this time around, but it's better to just take any indications that they'll actually enter a relationship with a grain of salt, especially considering the show's past history of giving misleading titles and previews.



    Maybe, but then again, Pokémon's been replacing shows since AG was made, and in fact it's been through five shows thus far (Original Series, Advanced Generation, Diamond and Pearl, Best Wishes, and now XY), so I'm doubtful that they'll get interest in.

    Just because their is a Shipping call Advanceshipping doesn't mean May has feeling for Ash.
    And Misty is not some crazy Yandere that get jealous of every girl near Ash.
    She was only angry at Melody for Kissing Ash & teasing her as Ash's jealous girlfriend.

    Here is the Reason why Original series got better rating then XY Series--

    Spoiler:
     
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    Just because their is a Shipping call Advanceshipping doesn't mean May has feeling for Ash.
    And Misty is not some crazy Yandere that get jealous of every girl near Ash.
    She was only angry at Melody for Kissing Ash & teasing her as Ash's jealous girlfriend.

    Here is the Reason why Original series got better rating then XY Series--

    Spoiler:

    Hmm... good point.

    Still, I wish people would keep a lid on regarding whether Amourshipping's going to be canon or not, especially with that "first date" episode that's coming in February. Don't forget, the Anime has been proven to over-hype things before in their titles and even their previews. Luvdisc is a Many Splendored Thing, for example, was hyped up to be confirmation that Orangeshipping was canon in the previews, yet in the actual episode, most if not all of those things were actually from Daisy's overactive imagination, and even the one bit that was arguably real was caused by Luvdisc using attract, which isn't exactly a true form of confirmation. There's also Date with Delcatty, where it's Japanese title implied that Misty would do something like what Ash constantly does or how she saved Gyarados in Cerulean Blues, yet it doesn't even come close to actually matching that anyways.

    And it's not just Pokémon either: Clown in the Dumps, the Season 26 premiere of the Simpsons, was caught under fire by viewers because the previews as well as Al Jean strongly implied at the very least that a major character was going to die in the Season Premiere, yet it turned out to be Rabbi Krustofsky, Krusty the Clown's father, who died, and he wasn't even a major character (granted, he was a beloved character, but still...), and it was bad enough that even Jean admitted the episode was overhyped. There's also Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes. At one point around this time last year, Hideo Kojima indicated that "something big" was going to be unveiled at a gaming event relating to Ground Zeroes, and it then turned out to be the Extra Op mission Deja Vu that at the time was going to be PS3/PS4-exclusive, which wasn't what most people had in mind. It was so controversial that ToraShiro of NeoGAF forums actually had to apologize to several of the fans, and also state they have to reign in Kojima from making any more extremely over-hyping statements lest they "have more gray hairs."

    Really, we need to cut down on the hype that it's going to be confirmed canon, as we have no real way of knowing right now. In fact, I'm actually a bit suspicious that they're just over-hyping on this. For goodness sakes, they're 10 years old, why would they even bother going into a romantic relationship at that age, anyways? At least age them up to a more believeable age before actually having them enter a relationship anyways. Same goes for Pokeshipping as well. Besides, I don't believe in any shippings in Pokémon unless they are confirmed to be Love at First Sight and they are actually open.

    And anyways, if that ends up being an instance of overhyping, that may result in it backfiring in the writers face especially as Clown in the Dumps ended up confirming. The writers are entering extremely treacherous terrain right now. The ratings are very bad as it is, and this might actually kill the show as a result.
     
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    Just because their is a Shipping call Advanceshipping doesn't mean May has feeling for Ash.
    And Misty is not some crazy Yandere that get jealous of every girl near Ash.
    She was only angry at Melody for Kissing Ash & teasing her as Ash's jealous girlfriend.

    Here is the Reason why Original series got better rating then XY Series--

    Spoiler:

    Reality was becasue Pokemon was the hot thing in Japan those years. Sat. TV wasn't still as massive as right now and one seg television and stream sites were just a dream. It has nothing to do with the gag and slapstick comedy nature of Original Series.

    DP and BW (S1) had 9 - 7% because of the streaming boom and Sat TV Massification (and IWRC, DP was a boom in Japan because of Hikari and the overhype of Satoshi's team). 2010 had the analogic shutdown, and ratings suffered a strong downfall, however Pokemon BW had ratings similar to DP (in 2012 began the downfall in a countercyclic basis).

    In 2013 ratings began to recover to pre-2010 percentages cuz Video Research started to count twitter and one seg tv systems, but Pokemon ratings still are decreasing.

    And IIRC XY was more hyped than Best Wishes and DP, and prior series, even it was overhyped, but ratings didn't pay for that hype.
     
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    Reality was becasue Pokemon was the hot thing in Japan those years. Sat. TV wasn't still as massive as right now and one seg television and stream sites were just a dream. It has nothing to do with the gag and slapstick comedy nature of Original Series.

    DP and BW (S1) had 9 - 7% because of the streaming boom and Sat TV Massification (and IWRC, DP was a boom in Japan because of Hikari and the overhype of Satoshi's team). 2010 had the analogic shutdown, and ratings suffered a strong downfall, however Pokemon BW had ratings similar to DP (in 2012 began the downfall in a countercyclic basis).

    In 2013 ratings began to recover to pre-2010 percentages cuz Video Research started to count twitter and one seg tv systems, but Pokemon ratings still are decreasing.

    And IIRC XY was more hyped than Best Wishes and DP, and prior series, even it was overhyped, but ratings didn't pay for that hype.

    I really wouldn't say that DP was a "boom" in Japan. A boom would imply being around Johto's range in terms of ratings, maybe Kanto's (being two digits, in other words). The beginning of DP was actually closer to Advance Generation's second season, or the seventh season of the overall show. Also, Youtube existed as a direct result of the Janet Jackson Wardrobe Malfunction, meaning about 2004, yet the ratings still collapsed during AG even when that was at its infancy. I'm also pretty sure the official site streamed Pokémon around the time of DP, so it definitely wouldn't have impacted ratings that much. NCIS streams its episodes, and its ratings are within the tens digits, for example. Besides, AG's ratings spiked when Misty was brought back, so I'm doubtful it was due to changes in environments (in fact, even online, Pokémon's doing pretty terrible in terms of views), and more due to creative decisions that the writers made that the viewers found very unpopular. And anyways, since its target audience is families with kids, having it lose viewership like that would not be likely, even with a decrease in fertility rates unless it was at catastrophic levels.

    And anyways, I'm pretty sure Pokémon was Japan's equivalent of Star Trek or Star Wars, which wasn't a fad at all.
     
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    And anyways, I'm pretty sure Pokémon was Japan's equivalent of Star Trek or Star Wars, which wasn't a fad at all.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Star Trek of Japan is Kidou Senshi Gundam franchise. Yeah, it had very poor ratings on it's debut (5% in 1979 was pretty much an absolute and freaking loss of money for anime producers in 70'/80's, top 10 anime were on the 40%-20% range in early 80's, and in that time, japanese series depended solely on ratings because marketing revenue variable wasn't added until early 90's). But reruns in 1982 spiked grossly the ratings on the top 10 range. Gundam is the japanese star trek because their audience is very loyal and is willing to buy the toys for new installment, despite it's poor ratings (as seen on the actual installmente "Reconguista in G". Gundam is more of a niche anime for otaku kodomos and old otakus, very much like Star Trek is for Sci-fi enthusiasts). And very much like ST TNG was the top installment for Star Trek, Zeta Gundam was the top installment for KSG franchise (it's ratings rivalized with Hokuto no Ken, Dr. Slump, Doraemon, Sazae-San and Urusei Yatsura in that time).

    Pokemon is more like the japanese equivalent for... nothing, Pokemon was a rather unique concept.

    Japanese anime depends very hardly on marketing revenue, IE: Naruto had worse ratings than Pokemon (in the 3-2% range) and still is more profitable for TV Tokyo than Pokemon because the franchise, despite the manga ahs ended, is still making positive revenue in dvd sales, license commercialization and marchandising. Pokemon right now is below the average, and it's less profitable than Naruto and even newcomers like Youkai Watch or Aikatsu! and other kid series which Pokemon has surpassed multiple times in the past, like Super Sentai franchise or Pretty Cure franchise.

    Other factor that hinders pokemon popularity very badly is that Hulu, the legal streaming service that streams Pokemon XY episodes, flopped in Japan. Japanese people, surprisingly as it seems, is very stuck in the past regarding use of technologies (they're still surprisingly loyal to Laser Discs and VHS systems)
     
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    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Star Trek of Japan is Kidou Senshi Gundam franchise. Yeah, it had very poor ratings on it's debut (5% in 1979 was pretty much an absolute and freaking loss of money for anime producers in 70'/80's, top 10 anime were on the 40%-20% range in early 80's, and in that time, japanese series depended solely on ratings because marketing revenue variable wasn't added until early 90's). But reruns in 1982 spiked grossly the ratings on the top 10 range. Gundam is the japanese star trek because their audience is very loyal and is willing to buy the toys for new installment, despite it's poor ratings (as seen on the actual installmente "Reconguista in G". Gundam is more of a niche anime for otaku kodomos and old otakus, very much like Star Trek is for Sci-fi enthusiasts). And very much like ST TNG was the top installment for Star Trek, Zeta Gundam was the top installment for KSG franchise (it's ratings rivalized with Hokuto no Ken, Dr. Slump, Doraemon, Sazae-San and Urusei Yatsura in that time).

    Pokemon is more like the japanese equivalent for... nothing, Pokemon was a rather unique concept.

    Japanese anime depends very hardly on marketing revenue, IE: Naruto had worse ratings than Pokemon (in the 3-2% range) and still is more profitable for TV Tokyo than Pokemon because the franchise, despite the manga ahs ended, is still making positive revenue in dvd sales, license commercialization and marchandising. Pokemon right now is below the average, and it's less profitable than Naruto and even newcomers like Youkai Watch or Aikatsu! and other kid series which Pokemon has surpassed multiple times in the past, like Super Sentai franchise or Pretty Cure franchise.

    Other factor that hinders pokemon popularity very badly is that Hulu, the legal streaming service that streams Pokemon XY episodes, flopped in Japan. Japanese people, surprisingly as it seems, is very stuck in the past regarding use of technologies (they're still surprisingly loyal to Laser Discs and VHS systems)

    I know someone on Serebii (I think Cybercubed) claimed that Pokémon was the equivalent of Star Trek when claiming how Pokémon in America was just a fad while it was something else in Japan. It was around the time AG was starting, and one person pointed out that even Johto was doing much better than AG was (and keep in mind, he was using the United States rating systems).

    As far as marketing revenue, wasn't Love Hina cancelled precisely because of the producers running out of money, right when it was about to begin its second season or something? And besides, if they were using outdated stuff instead of streaming things, the ratings would be much higher since they DON'T have streaming as an issue (since apparently Nielsen ratings and similar rating systems don't factor in online streamings or something like that). And I'm doubtful that HULU's the only thing they could use, even the only legal thing. There's also Netflix, the Official Pokémon site, and the like, and those clearly are legal. I'm pretty sure it has to do with story and writing decisions the writers made that ticked off and drove away most of its audiences (I heard that BW did very badly because of poor writing decisions made there, not to mention the ratings experienced a drop after Misty was removed, and apparently they spiked when Misty returned briefly). Not to mention, I'm pretty sure ratings would allow for marketability, so higher ratings means more marketability, so having it be high marketing and low ratings seems really nonsensical. I have an aunt who works in advertising as well as an uncle who teaches advertising at the University of North Carolina, so I have a pretty good grasp on how ratings and viewership numbers work especially regarding marketability.
     
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    I know someone on Serebii (I think Cybercubed) claimed that Pokémon was the equivalent of Star Trek when claiming how Pokémon in America was just a fad while it was something else in Japan. It was around the time AG was starting, and one person pointed out that even Johto was doing much better than AG was (and keep in mind, he was using the United States rating systems).

    As far as marketing revenue, wasn't Love Hina cancelled precisely because of the producers running out of money, right when it was about to begin its second season or something? And besides, if they were using outdated stuff instead of streaming things, the ratings would be much higher since they DON'T have streaming as an issue (since apparently Nielsen ratings and similar rating systems don't factor in online streamings or something like that). And I'm doubtful that HULU's the only thing they could use, even the only legal thing. There's also Netflix, the Official Pokémon site, and the like, and those clearly are legal. I'm pretty sure it has to do with story and writing decisions the writers made that ticked off and drove away most of its audiences. Not to mention, I'm pretty sure ratings would allow for marketability, so higher ratings means more marketability, so having it be high marketing and low ratings seems really nonsensical. I have an aunt who works in advertising as well as an uncle who teaches advertising at the University of North Carolina, so I have a pretty good grasp on how ratings and viewership numbers work especially regarding marketability.

    Keep on mind Japanese system (very similar to the system Chile uses) doesn't count DVR recordings (and even with that, Pokemon would be still flopping becuse it isn't even a top 20 recorded series. Sazae-San and One Piece are the most recorded series on DVR boxes in Japan), Video Research only counts One Seg DTV/Twitter/DTV ratings. And this year average TV ratings for all programs were slightly better than 2013's ratings, and fairly better than 2009 and 2010 tv ratings. Pokemon is having the lethal debacle because it isn't only ratings anymore, it includes bad merchandising revenues and the lowest movie regarding box office. And even when AG had low ratings in 2005, it still was a top 5 franchise regarding merchandising revenues according to Bandai and Video Research surveys. And the sampling number Videor uses compared to 1997 and even 2006 is lower (right now is about 6600 houses the sample the japanese rating company uses).

    And Netflix still hasn't arrived to Japan because of Hulu's bad performance, so, Pokemon flopping on Netflix would be more applied to western users.
     
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    Keep on mind Japanese system (very similar to the system Chile uses) doesn't count DVR recordings (and even with that, Pokemon would be still flopping becuse it isn't even a top 20 recorded series. Sazae-San and One Piece are the most recorded series on DVR boxes in Japan), Video Research only counts One Seg DTV/Twitter/DTV ratings. And this year average TV ratings for all programs were slightly better than 2013's ratings, and fairly better than 2009 and 2010 tv ratings. Pokemon is having the lethal debacle because it isn't only ratings anymore, it includes bad merchandising revenues and the lowest movie regarding box office. And even when AG had low ratings in 2005, it still was a top 5 franchise regarding merchandising revenues according to Bandai and Video Research surveys. And the sampling number Videor uses compared to 1997 and even 2006 is lower (right now is about 6600 houses the sample the japanese rating company uses).

    And Netflix still hasn't arrived to Japan because of Hulu's bad performance, so, Pokemon flopping on Netflix would be more applied to western users.

    Yeah, I kinda didn't count DVR recordings either. Even AG, DP, and BW, both separately and combined, are doing much better than XY is currently (and I'm not sure DP really qualifies as an insanely popular series. An insanely popular series would be in the two-digits, and by that, I mean about 15 up to 20, similar to Kanto and even Johto to some extent. Even AG did slightly better than DP, and that wasn't even a good series).

    Well, since the end is near for Pokémon, the writers had better get their affairs in order, including making sure Misty actually does pursue her goal instead of being stuck at a gym (I could care less about Pokeshipping, just as long as she at least is allowed to actually pursue her goal instead of being forced by her sisters to run the gym and put off her goal because of this, especially when the writers stupidly skipped the World Conference from B2W2 which actually would have been perfect to give Misty much-needed closure. Come on, most of the other main cast members were allowed to pursue their goals, even succeeding in the case of Tracey, and even Brock at least changed his goal of his own free will instead of being forced to change it), having Ash revisit Pidgeot (Battle Frontier had the perfect opportunity to have Pidgeot reappear, and they blew it), actually having Ash win a league for once (some people don't count the Orange Islands, possibly because it wasn't in the games), among other things.
     
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    Reality was becasue Pokemon was the hot thing in Japan those years. Sat. TV wasn't still as massive as right now and one seg television and stream sites were just a dream. It has nothing to do with the gag and slapstick comedy nature of Original Series.

    DP and BW (S1) had 9 - 7% because of the streaming boom and Sat TV Massification (and IWRC, DP was a boom in Japan because of Hikari and the overhype of Satoshi's team). 2010 had the analogic shutdown, and ratings suffered a strong downfall, however Pokemon BW had ratings similar to DP (in 2012 began the downfall in a countercyclic basis).

    In 2013 ratings began to recover to pre-2010 percentages cuz Video Research started to count twitter and one seg tv systems, but Pokemon ratings still are decreasing.

    And IIRC XY was more hyped than Best Wishes and DP, and prior series, even it was overhyped, but ratings didn't pay for that hype.

    Really , Then how come Old series like ''One Piece'' , ''Detective Conan'' , ''Doreamon'' and ''Crayon Shinchan'' still receiving better rating then Pokemon.
    Its obviously because they are well written & more enjoyable then Pokemon.
    As for Marketability, I heard Youkai watch ranked first in Bandai toy sales while Gundom took 2nd place and Kamen rider took 3rd .
    Last time I cheek , Pokemon dropped down to 8th place ! Don't know about current ranking.

    I think Pokemon XY series no longer has better and enjoyable story & gag like the Original series to attract viewer .
    In The XY Series , Ash & Gang act like they has to treat each other respectfully & Kindly So they are hesitant to treat each other without formality.
    But in Original Series , The Original trio was close to each other but they wasn't hesitant to mock & hit each other.
    Misty respect Brock but she would also hit him with a Log if she's Angry . Brock would also willing to do the same . Ash would also do that same as well.
    For example , Misty defiantly would get angry at Clemont for his bizarre Invention and would not put much faith on them.
    But Serena , She got chase by Clemont's out of Control Tripod robot But She was totally fine with Clemont using it all over again.
    But There noway Misty will ever be agree on using Tripod Robot ! She would show doubt and probably would thrush that robot herself.
    That why XY Series is freaking Boring and getting lesser rating. Even Mirror XY gang has better quality.
    Just imagine Ash traveling with--

    --- A Crybaby : A Cowardly & Timid Boy that cry over every single thing like Mirror Ash ! However there is time when he show noticeable bravery and sometime act like he changed ! However at the end he return to being the same Crybaby again.

    ---A short Temper girl : A Determinate and sarcastic girl with a really shot-temper. She has a habit of victimizing the Crybaby but does show care for him. Sometime She force the group to do thing she want.

    --- A Over-matured Kid : A Kid that tries to act more Mature then his age .Despite his Mature outlook , He actually a Mama-boy and like to collect Cute Toys . He often get annoyed by Ash and others childish irrational behavior and tries to ''Lead'' them despite being a Child himself . He like to keep his Childishness a secret But often get caught by Ash. He's The ''Straight-man'' of the Group. However , It would cool if we have a ''Her'' instate of ''Him"

    While Ash goes back to being a Narcissist and Practical Joker but does not get carried away.
     
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    --- A Crybaby : A Cowardly & Timid Boy that cry over every single thing like Mirror Ash ! However there is time when he show noticeable bravery and sometime act like he changed ! However at the end he return to being the same Crybaby again.

    So, someone like Ron Stoppable?
     
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    Really , Then how come Old series like ''One Piece'' , ''Detective Conan'' , ''Doreamon'' and ''Crayon Shinchan'' still receiving better rating then Pokemon.
    Its obviously because they are well written & more enjoyable then Pokemon.
    As for Marketability, I heard Youkai watch ranked first in Bandai toy sales while Gundom took 2nd place and Kamen rider took 3rd .
    Last time I cheek , Pokemon dropped down to 8th place ! Don't know about current ranking.

    I think Pokemon XY series no longer has better and enjoyable story & gag like the Original series to attract viewer .
    In The XY Series , Ash & Gang act like they has to treat each other respectfully & Kindly So they are hesitant to treat each other without formality.
    But in Original Series , The Original trio was close to each other but they wasn't hesitant to mock & hit each other.
    Misty respect Brock but she would also hit him with a Log if she's Angry . Brock would also willing to do the same . Ash would also do that same as well.
    For example , Misty defiantly would get angry at Clemont for his bizarre Invention and would not put much faith on them.
    But Serena , She got chase by Clemont's out of Control Tripod robot But She was totally fine with Clemont using it all over again.
    But There noway Misty will never agree on using Tripod Robot ! She would show doubt and probably would thrush that robot herself.
    That why XY Series is freaking Boring and getting lesser rating. Even Mirror XY gang has better quality.
    Just imagine Ash traveling with--

    --- A Crybaby : A Cowardly & Timid Boy that cry over every single thing like Mirror Ash ! However there is time when he show noticeable bravery and sometime act like he changed ! However at the end he return to being the same Crybaby again.

    ---A short Temper girl : A Determinate and sarcastic girl with a really shot-temper. She has a habit of victimizing the Crybaby but does show care for him. Sometime She force the group to do thing she want.

    --- A Over-matured Kid : A Kid that tries to act more Mature then his age .Despite his Mature outlook , He actually a Mama-boy and like to collect Cute Toys . He often get annoyed by Ash and others childish irrational behavior and tries to ''Lead'' them despite being a Child himself . He like to keep his Childishness a secret But often get caught by Ash. He's The ''Straight-man'' of the Group. However , It would cool if we have a ''Her'' instate of ''Him"

    While Ash goes back to being a Narcissist and Practical Joker but does not get carried away.

    I also think that the gang's chimestry is so artifical.. They r too nice to each other ..
     
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    Thanks @IrregularMaverickZ

    I am interested in Pokemon Tv ratings always. Even though I'm actually new, I learned this page for days and I'm following Pokemon ratings during the past 2 years.

    Is true that ratings have been dropeed a lot compared to the late 90's and that's because 3 factors (two of them afect the majority of anime).

    1)Presence of Sattelite TV/ Cable TV/etc which has caused a adrop in Ratings.

    2) In the latter years, Japanese people watch slightly less Tv than before.

    3) A very low rate of childbirth that specially afects shows aimed to children.

    This has been causes that an anime that had 15% ratings on the late 1990 is like having a 6% rating nowadays 8or even a bit lower).

    And of course, the fad of Pokemon in the late 1990s that also arrived to Japan.

    I think that the anime is having a problem and it's not about ratings (it isn't still on the Top 10 more often than not) but more a problem of merchandise.

    I think that the current problem in the anime is that many fans stopped following the anime because the dissapointment of late Best Wishes (Homika's Gym battle, Unova League, Decolora adventures). that caused the Tv Ratings to drop in late BW, which hasn't been recovered in X/Y (it's better than Decolora, but similar to 2012 and early 2013 ratings (excluding the higher ratings of Hikari's cameo).

    I don't think that Pokemon (as a franchise) is going to end in the next few years unless major surprise (specially because the Pokemon games, which Nintendo aren't going to stop them if they seld around 10 millions per release (first versions sell more,third version sell less)) and is probably going to be an anime to promote said future games.

    The big problem right now is that unlike Diamond and Pearl, Tv ratings aren't great anymore (they are still relatively good), movie sales are average (and low for Pokemon's standards) and for the looks of it, merchandise sales are relatively bad.

    This also questioning some things:
    -Why after so many years, in the Pokemon anime they are having a proper romance subplot that's even mroe clear than Misty
    -The infamous "XY59"
    Spoiler:

    Spoiler:


    Exist various possibilities:
    1)Keep the show like it's now with Ash travelling continuosly through new regions.

    2) Make a new Pokemon show with a new main character to promote the new games.

    3) Alternate the airing of Ash's final challenges as a trainer on-screen while a new Pokemon anime is started to air to promote the current games.

    4) Only air very small animes to promote the current games.

    5) Stop airing Pokemon anime.
     
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    Thanks @IrregularMaverickZ

    I am interested in Pokemon Tv ratings always. Even though I'm actually new, I learned this page for days and I'm following Pokemon ratings during the past 2 years.

    Is true that ratings have been dropeed a lot compared to the late 90's and that's because 3 factors (two of them afect the majority of anime).

    1)Presence of Sattelite TV/ Cable TV/etc which has caused a adrop in Ratings.

    2) In the latter years, Japanese people watch slightly less Tv than before.

    3) A very low rate of childbirth that specially afects shows aimed to children.

    I'm not so sure about Satellite/Cable TV being present is responsible for the decline of ratings. For starters, Satellite and Cable TV is actually being cancelled repeatedly largely thanks to some garbage that's being pushed (I know my family had to cancel my cable provider largely for that reason, that and some really bad business policies our cable provider was trying to do). And besides, considering streaming was actually cancelled due to HULU bombing, that's also not likely to be a reason for the ratings to drop (especially when Nielsen ratings don't even include internet streams). As far as low birthrate, I'm still not sure that would impact it that significantly. America's going through a similar decline in birthrates right now, and even that isn't impacting ratings there to that level.

    I think that the anime is having a problem and it's not about ratings (it isn't still on the Top 10 more often than not) but more a problem of merchandise.

    I think that the current problem in the anime is that many fans stopped following the anime because the dissapointment of late Best Wishes (Homika's Gym battle, Unova League, Decolora adventures). that caused the Tv Ratings to drop in late BW, which hasn't been recovered in X/Y (it's better than Decolora, but similar to 2012 and early 2013 ratings (excluding the higher ratings of Hikari's cameo).

    Yeah, it's actually also similar to AG's overall ratings, which were pretty much bombs (I think the ratings only grew higher when Misty made her cameos). And while DP did marginally better overall, it wasn't quite enough.

    I don't think that Pokemon (as a franchise) is going to end in the next few years unless major surprise (specially because the Pokemon games, which Nintendo aren't going to stop them if they seld around 10 millions per release (first versions sell more,third version sell less)) and is probably going to be an anime to promote said future games.

    The Pokémon Game franchise most likely won't end, but that doesn't mean the Anime won't end in the near future (don't forget, the DiC cartoon adaptations of Mario, Sonic, Zelda, and Mega Man were far outlived by the games they promoted and those games, exempting possibly Mega Man, are getting new game releases to this day, and if they could pull it off, so could Pokémon).

    The big problem right now is that unlike Diamond and Pearl, Tv ratings aren't great anymore (they are still relatively good), movie sales are average (and low for Pokemon's standards) and for the looks of it, merchandise sales are relatively bad.

    I wouldn't even say they were that great with Diamond and Pearl (They were about 9%-6% for the run, which isn't really good ratings. Good ratings would be in the two digits, like 15% or more. Probably the only good ratings were with the Original Series, even in Johto.), but I will say DP and even AG were much better than this (and I do know Destiny Deoxys was actually a flop in Pokémon terms, I think one of the few flops it had until the recent XY movie.). Heck, even BW did better ultimately.

    This also questioning some things:
    -Why after so many years, in the Pokemon anime they are having a proper romance subplot that's even mroe clear than Misty
    -The infamous "XY59"
    Spoiler:

    Spoiler:

    Agreed for the most part, though I should remind you that Ash got a Gible in DP, and that was a pseudo-legendary as well. And anyways, I'm still pretty certain that it means nothing anyways with XY059. If titles actually meant anything, Misty would have risked her life like how she risked her life for Gyarados in Date with Delcatty (since that's exactly what the Japanese title of the episode said she would do, risk her life). Even if we go by previews, it still won't mean much, especially when Luvdisc is a Many Splendored Thing had strongly implied with its previews that Orangeshipping (MistyXTracey) is canon and yet when the actual episode aired, it turned out that most of it was just Daisy's overactive imagination, and even the one bit that was arguably real was due to the two Luvdisc using attract on them for the purposes of their water show. And anyways, do you really think that two ten year olds would basically enter a romance with each other? I mean, they're ten years old, they wouldn't even understand the concept of romance anyways (not to mention if they did end up doing something with each other it would basically kill the show literally because child porn, even in Japan, is very illegal). Not to mention the crush was one-sided anyways (Serena's basically crushing on Ash, and Ash is being oblivious. I'm no Pokeshipper, since I'm more of a proponent to Love at First Sight, which, Brock's escapades aside, there has not been any instance of Love at First Sight in the Anime, yet there was definitely more hints towards Ash and Misty having feelings for each other that were a two-way street).

    Exist various possibilities:
    1)Keep the show like it's now with Ash travelling continuosly through new regions.

    2) Make a new Pokemon show with a new main character to promote the new games.

    3) Alternate the airing of Ash's final challenges as a trainer on-screen while a new Pokemon anime is started to air to promote the current games.

    4) Only air very small animes to promote the current games.

    5) Stop airing Pokemon anime.

    Given the bad ratings and merchandising so far, I'd argue that they should stop airing Pokémon Anime as a whole.
     
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    Thanks @IrregularMaverickZ

    I am interested in Pokemon Tv ratings always. Even though I'm actually new, I learned this page for days and I'm following Pokemon ratings during the past 2 years.

    Is true that ratings have been dropeed a lot compared to the late 90's and that's because 3 factors (two of them afect the majority of anime).

    1)Presence of Sattelite TV/ Cable TV/etc which has caused a adrop in Ratings.

    2) In the latter years, Japanese people watch slightly less Tv than before.

    3) A very low rate of childbirth that specially afects shows aimed to children.

    This has been causes that an anime that had 15% ratings on the late 1990 is like having a 6% rating nowadays 8or even a bit lower).

    And of course, the fad of Pokemon in the late 1990s that also arrived to Japan.

    I think that the anime is having a problem and it's not about ratings (it isn't still on the Top 10 more often than not) but more a problem of merchandise.

    I think that the current problem in the anime is that many fans stopped following the anime because the dissapointment of late Best Wishes (Homika's Gym battle, Unova League, Decolora adventures). that caused the Tv Ratings to drop in late BW, which hasn't been recovered in X/Y (it's better than Decolora, but similar to 2012 and early 2013 ratings (excluding the higher ratings of Hikari's cameo).

    I don't think that Pokemon (as a franchise) is going to end in the next few years unless major surprise (specially because the Pokemon games, which Nintendo aren't going to stop them if they seld around 10 millions per release (first versions sell more,third version sell less)) and is probably going to be an anime to promote said future games.

    The big problem right now is that unlike Diamond and Pearl, Tv ratings aren't great anymore (they are still relatively good), movie sales are average (and low for Pokemon's standards) and for the looks of it, merchandise sales are relatively bad.

    This also questioning some things:
    -Why after so many years, in the Pokemon anime they are having a proper romance subplot that's even mroe clear than Misty
    -The infamous "XY59"
    Spoiler:

    Spoiler:


    Exist various possibilities:
    1)Keep the show like it's now with Ash travelling continuosly through new regions.

    2) Make a new Pokemon show with a new main character to promote the new games.

    3) Alternate the airing of Ash's final challenges as a trainer on-screen while a new Pokemon anime is started to air to promote the current games.

    4) Only air very small animes to promote the current games.

    5) Stop airing Pokemon anime.

    So Ash can't have Psuedo-legendary Pokemon Just so he can beat them! Even though Iris and Cameron get free dragonite and Hydregion.
    Ash also deserve to have cool pokemon. Atleast he isn't getting a Free Goodra ! he evolving it all the way from Goomy.
    The main Problem with Goodra is that it drip Slime ! Its Definitely a Pokemon you don't want inside your house .
    Also Animes like Doreamon , Crayon Shin-chan , Detective Conan & One Piece still get high rating.
    So obviously Pokemon get lower rating due to poor quality of story .
    Original series had more bizarre Character and Dynamic interaction.
    Also I don't think Amourshipping will help raising rating & Merchandise Selling !Considering the Poor Chemistry between Ash & Serena . Writers need to bring a female rival if they want to use Romance as a Sub-plot.
    For example , Now I would create a Red hair girl as Ash's rival who known as ''The Crimson Beauty'' due to her Attractive look & powerful battle style.
    Furthermore , I would turn Ash into a Narcissist and Mischievous so he can relate to real Kids.
    Because Kids doesn't like the current ''Good Boy Ash'' ! That something their parent wants their Kids to be But Kids want someone who happen to be like them. I believe Writer should take this action to improve rating---

    ---1) Ash run into sword in a stone and he pull it out ! It turn out to be a Talking Aegislash that serve various King and now wishs to take Ash to the path of King.

    ---2) Aegislash give Ash a Keystone that he were guarding for his next wielder and join his team.

    ---3)The new redesigned Serena start delivering ''Punchline'' as her reaction to all Bizarre attic of Ash , Clemont and all other character. Like Illya (Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma illya)

    ---4)Kalo Queen Aria's cheerful personality turn out to be a Facade and She turn out to be a sadist who loves to see other suffer .

    ---5) Aria also aiming for Kalo league in order to take ''Diantha's throne'' and already beaten Korrina's mega Lucario to win Rumble Badge.

    --6) Aria tried to seduce Ash into her fanboy in order cause Serena despair But Ash rejected her causing Aria to see Ash differently.

    ---7) Ash participate in a World-class Tournament like ''Wallace Cup'' . However he decided to use only Goomy to prove to the World that Goomy the weakest Dragon can become stronger.

    ---8) Ash win the Tournament and it allow him to get the attention of media and various ''Future Rivals''.

    ---9) Ash met a ''Ice Cold Beauty'' as his female rival ! However , Her ''Icy Personality'' start to melt bit by bit because of Ash .

    ---10) Ash also met A Jock , A rich Kid and A Bully as his rival .

    ---11) A Movie Where Ash save the world with the support of Legendary Pokemon.

    ---12) Ash win the Kalo league .
     
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    I'm not so sure about Satellite/Cable TV being present is responsible for the decline of ratings. For starters, Satellite and Cable TV is actually being cancelled repeatedly largely thanks to some garbage that's being pushed (I know my family had to cancel my cable provider largely for that reason, that and some really bad business policies our cable provider was trying to do). And besides, considering streaming was actually cancelled due to HULU bombing, that's also not likely to be a reason for the ratings to drop (especially when Nielsen ratings don't even include internet streams). As far as low birthrate, I'm still not sure that would impact it that significantly. America's going through a similar decline in birthrates right now, and even that isn't impacting ratings there to that level.


    Not to mention that no one wants to spend an insanely amount of money for cable/satellite tv packages that have channels that no one will ( or want to watch). Which is why cable/satellite television is actually declining , same thing for online (You Tubes numerous glitches and constant pulling down of videos of tv shows uploaded by users and the fact You Tube is becoming very difficult to use and/or navigate and the HULU failure (as Weddle pointed out) and of course the cost of add ons and extras that nobody wants (or use).
     
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    I'm not so sure about Satellite/Cable TV being present is responsible for the decline of ratings. For starters, Satellite and Cable TV is actually being cancelled repeatedly largely thanks to some garbage that's being pushed (I know my family had to cancel my cable provider largely for that reason, that and some really bad business policies our cable provider was trying to do). And besides, considering streaming was actually cancelled due to HULU bombing, that's also not likely to be a reason for the ratings to drop (especially when Nielsen ratings don't even include internet streams). As far as low birthrate, I'm still not sure that would impact it that significantly. America's going through a similar decline in birthrates right now, and even that isn't impacting ratings there to that level.
    I'm talking in Japan and I'm talking aout an period of 15 years. Is clear than in 15 years Japan has increased the number of people contracting pay TV. And birthdates are really low in Japan, way more than in the US.
    US: 13% of people with more than 65.
    Japan: 24% people with more than 65.

    Yeah, it's actually also similar to AG's overall ratings, which were pretty much bombs (I think the ratings only grew higher when Misty made her cameos). And while DP did marginally better overall, it wasn't quite enough.
    Neither AG nor DP have actual big ratings!? With the exception of Battle Frontier (who is a filler saga, to begin) those are have high ratings.



    The Pokémon Game franchise most likely won't end, but that doesn't mean the Anime won't end in the near future (don't forget, the DiC cartoon adaptations of Mario, Sonic, Zelda, and Mega Man were far outlived by the games they promoted and those games, exempting possibly Mega Man, are getting new game releases to this day, and if they could pull it off, so could Pokémon).
    Even though I know of animation based on Mario, there's so few animation regarding those series. And of course, neither of those series doesn't look to be successful.

    I wouldn't even say they were that great with Diamond and Pearl (They were about 9%-6% for the run, which isn't really good ratings. Good ratings would be in the two digits, like 15% or more. Probably the only good ratings were with the Original Series, even in Johto.), but I will say DP and even AG were much better than this (and I do know Destiny Deoxys was actually a flop in Pokémon terms, I think one of the few flops it had until the recent XY movie.). Heck, even BW did better ultimately.
    By your theory, only Sazae-San would have great ratings. Shows like Doraemon and Shin Cham (whoboth are very popular in Japan (also they air together)) would only have average ratings...

    Even Youkai Watch, one of the hot thing in Japan for the latest 10 years, would have below average ratings... Seriously!?



    Agreed for the most part, though I should remind you that Ash got a Gible in DP, and that was a pseudo-legendary as well.
    gible is the first stage of a pseudo-legendary line. Ash hasn't evolved his Gible into Gabite, let alone Garchomp.

    And anyways, I'm still pretty certain that it means nothing anyways with XY059. If titles actually meant anything, Misty would have risked her life like how she risked her life for Gyarados in Date with Delcatty (since that's exactly what the Japanese title of the episode said she would do, risk her life).
    The japanese episode didn't have the word "date" or similar words.
    カスミ真剣勝負!命かけます!? Kasumi's Earnest Struggle! She's Risking her Life!?
    While the episode with the title "Date Expectations"
    (Jap. title)ころがれ!恋するドンファン! Rollout! Loving Donfan!
    is about romance... between Donphan.

    And anyways, do you really think that two ten year olds would basically enter a romance with each other? I mean, they're ten years old, they wouldn't even understand the concept of romance anyways
    Serena wants to be with Ash.
    Spoiler:


    Edit: A few more things:
    1) Pokemon is a show
    A) Whose main target is children, who they are actually less than 10% of the population on japan. Meaning that a 4,5% show would have more than 45% ratings on children (this isn't actually true, teens and some adults (mothers of children in particular) also watch the show.
    B) Airs in a Tv Tokyo, channel with less general viewership.
    C) Airs on a Thursday, which is a worse day than Friday Saturday or Sunday for children.
    2) If the Pokemon anime needs a boost on TV ratings (which is likely that they would need) replacing cast members is more probable to re-introduce a former companion than replacing Ash Ketchum.
    3) Replacing Ash and Pikachu is a very high risk move. There's a reason why even in BW, they didn't replace Ash and Pikachu.
     
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    I'm talking in Japan and I'm talking aout an period of 15 years. Is clear than in 15 years Japan has increased the number of people contracting pay TV. And birthdates are really low in Japan, way more than in the US.
    US: 13% of people with more than 65.
    Japan: 24% people with more than 65.

    America has had a birth decline since 1971 (meaning, about 43 years) thanks to a certain decision made by the Supreme Court. Yet even that has its shows having far higher ratings than Pokémon does right now.

    Neither AG nor DP have actual big ratings!? With the exception of Battle Frontier (who is a filler saga, to begin) those are have high ratings.

    Unless it's firmly within two digits, it's not big ratings. NCIS managed to pull off an 18 by Nielsen ratings, for instance.


    Even though I know of animation based on Mario, there's so few animation regarding those series. And of course, neither of those series doesn't look to be successful.

    My point is all those shows were made to market the games just like Pokémon's anime was to market the games, yet if those franchises could succeed despite the failure of those TV franchises, the Pokémon games most certainly can succeed as well.

    By your theory, only Sazae-San would have great ratings. Shows like Doraemon and Shin Cham (whoboth are very popular in Japan (also they air together)) would only have average ratings...

    Even Youkai Watch, one of the hot thing in Japan for the latest 10 years, would have below average ratings... Seriously!?

    Look, the lowest rated AG episode, and at the time, the lowest rated episode ever, was the Pike Queen episode (which was about 7 at best, the estimate closer to being 6). The highest rated episode of not only the Original Series, but also for the overall Anime, The Flame Pokémon-athon, was a 17. The anime has to at least reach Johto's levels, if not Kanto's to actually have high ratings. And for the record, as Famon pointed out, those shows are doing more well than Pokémon.


    gible is the first stage of a pseudo-legendary line. Ash hasn't evolved his Gible into Gabite, let alone Garchomp.

    It's still a Pseudo-legendary, so it still counts.

    The japanese episode didn't have the word "date" or similar words.
    カスミ真剣勝負!命かけます!? Kasumi's Earnest Struggle! She's Risking her Life!?
    While the episode with the title "Date Expectations"
    (Jap. title)ころがれ!恋するドンファン! Rollout! Loving Donfan!
    is about romance... between Donphan.

    Yeah, and Date with Delcatty's episode title had Misty risking her life, yet that didn't even come close to what actually happened in the episode (otherwise, it would have been a repeat of her taking Poison Sting for Gyarados, or some of the reckless stuff Ash gets into to save a Pokémon or any of his friends). And the Luvdisc is a Most Splendored Thing promos, which are effectively the same thing, made it seem as though Orangeshipping is canon, when it wasn't (most of the so-called hints were from Daisy's imagination, and even the one bit that was arguably real was done by Luvdisc's attract for the purposes of Daisy's show, meaning it wasn't truly real, much less confirmation at all). And that title alone should make any attempts at gleaning into an episode's plot pointless, especially when titles have been proven to actually be falsehoods.

    Serena wants to be with Ash.
    Spoiler:

    Yeah, and Ash was effectively the main reason Misty wanted to join him besides getting her bike repaired (which the third episode strongly implied was an excuse). Your point? It still doesn't change that Ash is largely oblivious to Serena's feelings, and it also doesn't change the fact that they are canonically ten years old and thus far too young to even engage in romance (heck, they aren't even likely to be developing mating hormones yet).

    Edit: A few more things:
    1) Pokemon is a show
    A) Whose main target is children, who they are actually less than 10% of the population on japan. Meaning that a 4,5% show would have more than 45% ratings on children (this isn't actually true, teens and some adults (mothers of children in particular) also watch the show.
    B) Airs in a Tv Tokyo, channel with less general viewership.

    A) It's "main target" is also something that's easily replaceable, meaning that it would NOT be something that would decrease that sharply unless a huge cataclysm occurs. And for the record, AG and DP were NOT good ratings at all. Let me also point out that America has undergone a birth decline thanks to a certain Supreme Court decision around the beginning of the 1970s, yet even with that the ratings here with certain kids shows are much higher in Japan. Had it really been a birth decline, we'd actually be in the red zone of endangered species, yet we aren't, and I know Japan isn't in that same danger either since it only had 15 years as you said.

    C) Airs on a Thursday, which is a worse day than Friday Saturday or Sunday for children.

    Pokémon aired on Thursdays since the Porygon Incident. Last I checked, the ratings in Kanto and even Johto were much better then than they were now or during BW, DP, or even AG. And besides, I watched up to the Roarke episode on Cartoon Network while I was still at school, and I most certainly had schoolwork to do and managed to complete that despite such a thing. Granted I didn't get beyond the first Roarke battle because frankly it didn't hold up my interests, but still...

    2) If the Pokemon anime needs a boost on TV ratings (which is likely that they would need) replacing cast members is more probable to re-introduce a former companion than replacing Ash Ketchum.

    Who said anything about replacing Ash? And BTW, DP actually strongly hinted that Ash was going to win the Sinnoh League and fight the Elite 4, but then they basically wasted so much time that by the time they even got to the leagues, they ran out of time before Generation V was due out (in fact, Ash didn't even appear on ANY promotional materials for Best Wishes until around the time Tobias appeared, and there was zero indications that there would even be a Gen V until the Zoroark movie thanks to none of the DP movies or even most DP episodes even showing Pokémon from the next generation of games [The Original series had Togepi debuting about halfway through Kanto, not to mention Gen II Pokémon appearing in both the first Pikachu short and the Mewtwo movie, Johto had Gen III Pokémon appearing in the fourth Pikachu short and possibly the fourth movie, certainly the fifth Pokémon Movie, and even AG ended up debuting Gen IV with Destiny Deoxys, the second AG movie.].). So really, the only reason Ash wasn't replaced was because they ran out of time and wasted it. And honestly, they could have given Misty some actual closure in BW, but then they decided instead to idiotically skip the World Conference in the Anime for whatever stupid reason, even though that was a perfect opportunity to actually give closure for Misty at the very least.

    3) Replacing Ash and Pikachu is a very high risk move. There's a reason why even in BW, they didn't replace Ash and Pikachu.

    See above. And let me point out that replacing Misty was also a high-risk move, and in fact it's even cited to be one of the reasons why the show is failing right now.
     
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