Super Smash Bros. Discussion

[Nah]

His hair was not very good in Brawl. It looks better in Smash 4, but in Brawl it looked girly and I actually wasn't sure what gender he was supposed to be when I played Brawl (I didn't know what Fire Emblem was), until I read his trophy description.

Here's Brawl Marth compared to Smash 4 Marth, and looking at the pictures, you can't blame me for thinking he was a girl...(pics from SmashWiki):

Spoiler:

IDK, I always knew that Marth was a guy......

With all of these comparisons, I have a feeling that Lucina is first in line to get the boot for the next game, as well as to make room for an FE rep from the latest installment, unless he/she suffers the same issues as Chrom.

There's little doubt in my mind that Robin and Lucina won't be making it into future Smash games. I think at this point it's safe to say that Marth and Ike (probably) are going to be our regular Fire Emblem reps and anyone else who comes along from the series is just gonna be a one-timer. That's the feeling I get anyway. It's too bad though; Robin has a kinda unique play style.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

There's little doubt in my mind that Robin and Lucina won't be making it into future Smash games. I think at this point it's safe to say that Marth and Ike (probably) are going to be our regular Fire Emblem reps and anyone else who comes along from the series is just gonna be a one-timer. That's the feeling I get anyway. It's too bad though; Robin has a kinda unique play style.

I'm pretty sure Robin's gonna stay, because he represents the avatar, which is becoming a staple to the series since Fire Emblem 12. Robin just happens to be the most popular variation of the avatar feature.

 

[GreenFlame]

IDK, I always knew that Marth was a guy......

But look at his hair and his face in Brawl. He does look a bit like a girl, right? I wasn't sure, because I'd never known the character before.

There's little doubt in my mind that Robin and Lucina won't be making it into future Smash games. I think at this point it's safe to say that Marth and Ike (probably) are going to be our regular Fire Emblem reps and anyone else who comes along from the series is just gonna be a one-timer. That's the feeling I get anyway. It's too bad though; Robin has a kinda unique play style.

They'll likely keep Robin because of that unique playstyle. They usually only cut clones, except for Snake who was a third-party "guest character", and Mewtwo who is coming back as DLC anyway.

 

[Lord Raven]

I highly doubt Lucina stays in the next smash; I think a huge part of Lucina's role in Smash is the fact that she was one of the main pulls of Awakening. The mystique behind this masked Marth coming out of nowhere in Awakening I think sold the game quite a bit.

It's really strange what they did to Marth though, considering this is his official art in the most recent game:

 

[Aven]

Too much stuff to comment about xD But I will say that I'm confused on all the hate on Project M? I find that beating a level 9 Fox on Project M is fairly simple? Not trying to brag all I'm saying is that it's not totally unbeatable. And yes versing a real live person will always be better, but why make it very easy for noobies and then once they advance into pros there's no challenge anymore?

 

[saifors]

Well Lucina can still be good if you're like me and get into your opponents face all the time which you can't do alot with marth because the tipping will be really ineffective.
Also I prefer Lucina as a character because in the entirety of shadow dragon Marth only talks about enough to fill one page and is an incredibly bland character.

 

[GreenFlame]

Too much stuff to comment about xD But I will say that I'm confused on all the hate on Project M? I find that beating a level 9 Fox on Project M is fairly simple? Not trying to brag all I'm saying is that it's not totally unbeatable. And yes versing a real live person will always be better, but why make it very easy for noobies and then once they advance into pros there's no challenge anymore?

Hate Project M? Who hates Project M? I haven't played Project M, but why would anyone hate it? And I agree with what you're saying.

What's your opinion on Marth's Brawl appearance? Do you think that he looked just a little like a girl? I didn't know anything about Fire Emblem, and I couldn't tell what gender Marth was. Maybe I was just stupid...

Also what's your opinion on Lucina? Downgrade of Marth?

P.S. "Versing" isn't a word. You would instead use "fighting", "battling" etc. You may have noticed by now that I sort of have a compulsion to correct other people's grammar/spelling errors...I hope it's not annoying xD

 

[Spinosaurus]

Hate Project M? Who hates Project M? I haven't played Project M, but why would anyone hate it?

It's a jumbled mess with too many gimmicky characters. It has the design philosophy of making every character OP for "balance' without so much set back and as such characters tend to rely on the one thing that makes them that good. And the thing is? Characters are significantly easy to use in comparison to like Melee or even Brawl. (Brawl Diddy is waaay harder to use right than PM Diddy)
I mean, Jigglypuff and Fox are largely the same from Melee (Except Fox is easier to use) yet Jigglypuff is one of the worst in Project M (despite being top 5 in Melee) and Fox is still the undisputed best in Project M like in Melee. It should tell you how screwed up it is when Puff, a pure fundamental character that doesn't require much execution, fell back significantly. It means Project M favors gimmicks and techniques over solid fundamentals. Smash 4 on the other hand is practically Street Fighter Smash 4 in that fundamentals are the one thing that reigns above all and as such all characters are actually properly balanced.

Mew2king and Hungrybox complained about Project M for its stupid gimmicks (well Hungrybox moreso for the Jigglypuff reasoning), and they're absolutely right.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

It's a jumbled mess with too many gimmicky characters. It has the design philosophy of making every character OP for "balance' without so much set back and as such characters tend to rely on the one thing that makes them that good. And the thing is? Characters are significantly easy to use in comparison to like Melee or even Brawl. (Brawl Diddy is waaay harder to use right than PM Diddy)
I mean, Jigglypuff and Fox are largely the same from Melee (Except Fox is easier to use) yet Jigglypuff is one of the worst in Project M (despite being top 5 in Melee) and Fox is still the undisputed best in Project M like in Melee. It should tell you how screwed up it is when Puff, a pure fundamental character that doesn't require much execution, fell back significantly. It means Project M favors gimmicks and techniques over solid fundamentals. Smash 4 on the other hand is practically Street Fighter Smash 4 in that fundamentals are the one thing that reigns above all and as such all characters are actually properly balanced.

Mew2king and Hungrybox complained about Project M for its stupid gimmicks (well Hungrybox moreso for the Jigglypuff reasoning), and they're absolutely right.

And yet I've been reading comments on Smashboard about fans planning to onto Project M as a response to Sakurai's statement on why Ridley, as a playable fighter, wouldn't work, in order to prove him wrong that he can work. Remember the old saying: "The customer is always right," and these guys have already voted on their to not buy Smash Bros. 4, because they truly believe Ridley's role will determine whether the roster is good thus making the game itself good, despite Mewtwo coming back as DLC. It goes to show how powerful Project M, or any fan-made mods/hacks, can be for the fans to criticize all the content that Sakurai worked hard on.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Except the Project M team themselves couldn't get Ridley to work properly. :V

 

[Imafroggy]

So my brother and I are looking to get into competitive.

He mains Mario and I main Peach. We know their moves and their capabilities pretty well.
I secondary Pac man and his is Ike.

Any tips for us?
We do okay online.
We win some we lose some, more win that lose to be honest and the only time we lose is to super sweaty mega try hard ultra deluxes. Just kidding haha but yeah really any tips?

 

[Aven]

Hate Project M? Who hates Project M? I haven't played Project M, but why would anyone hate it? And I agree with what you're saying.

What's your opinion on Marth's Brawl appearance? Do you think that he looked just a little like a girl? I didn't know anything about Fire Emblem, and I couldn't tell what gender Marth was. Maybe I was just stupid...

Also what's your opinion on Lucina? Downgrade of Marth?

P.S. "Versing" isn't a word. You would instead use "fighting", "battling" etc. You may have noticed by now that I sort of have a compulsion to correct other people's grammar/spelling errors...I hope it's not annoying xD

K, first off I'm going to ignore all the random hate from Spino. But yeah, Brawl's graphics style was weird overall and Marth looked extremely weird. And I definitely don't think Lucina is a downgrade. I mean in some cases, for example Marth has more potential than Lucina. But Lucina is faster and can combo better and she's even stronger (If you're not good with landing Marth's tippers. If you are, than Marth is stronger) Overall Lucina is an easier character to use, and for that reason I think she's a pretty needed character.

And it's not annoying, no worries.

So my brother and I are looking to get into competitive.

He mains Mario and I main Peach. We know their moves and their capabilities pretty well.
I secondary Pac man and his is Ike.

Any tips for us?
We do okay online.
We win some we lose some, more win that lose to be honest and the only time we lose is to super sweaty mega try hard ultra deluxes. Just kidding haha but yeah really any tips?

DON'T OVERUSE SPECIALS!

That's the only tip I have for anyone xD

 

[Night Watcher]

It's a jumbled mess with too many gimmicky characters. It has the design philosophy of making every character OP for "balance' without so much set back and as such characters tend to rely on the one thing that makes them that good. And the thing is? Characters are significantly easy to use in comparison to like Melee or even Brawl. (Brawl Diddy is waaay harder to use right than PM Diddy)
I mean, Jigglypuff and Fox are largely the same from Melee (Except Fox is easier to use) yet Jigglypuff is one of the worst in Project M (despite being top 5 in Melee) and Fox is still the undisputed best in Project M like in Melee. It should tell you how screwed up it is when Puff, a pure fundamental character that doesn't require much execution, fell back significantly. It means Project M favors gimmicks and techniques over solid fundamentals. Smash 4 on the other hand is practically Street Fighter Smash 4 in that fundamentals are the one thing that reigns above all and as such all characters are actually properly balanced.

Mew2king and Hungrybox complained about Project M for its stupid gimmicks (well Hungrybox moreso for the Jigglypuff reasoning), and they're absolutely right.

I really feel like you haven't even really tried Project M yet. I've played Melee and Project M for a while and I don't feel like Project M is "a jumbled mess with too many gimmicky characters."

P.S. Mewtwo is better in Project M. ;)

 

[Spinosaurus]

...I did play Project M. I even played it online a lot of times.

You think I made up my reasoning out of thin air?

 

[Night Watcher]

...I did play Project M. I even played it online a lot of times.

From this sentence, i'm guessing you have played Project M a long time ago, but not the recent version, speculating that you don't know how much they changed before the online version was discontinued.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Last time I played it was just a bit before Smash 4's release, which isn't a long time ago.

I can still play online via an exploit.

 

[Night Watcher]

Last time I played it was just a bit before Smash 4's release, which isn't a long time ago.

I can still play online via an exploit.

That was a while ago, considering that the smash 4 release for the 3ds was in october 3rd and that Project M had a huge update.

 

[Spinosaurus]

I really doubt the update (which was released just recently) fixed my major problems with the mod.

 

[Aven]

I really doubt the update (which was released just recently) fixed my major problems with the mod.

You should probably stop calling it a mod since it's pretty much it's own game.

 

[Spinosaurus]

You should probably stop calling it a mod since it's pretty much it's own game.

Errr it's a modified Brawl. It's a mod.