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4th Gen Legends - Real or not?

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Nacon

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  • "Power leads to evil"? That's true for humanity only, I think.

    I'm not sure if Arceus and Mew can exist in the same theory, but, really, Arceus making the world? There's no such thing. I know its power it's now divided in plates but it's just something that will never happen, in my opinion.

    Power only leads to evil in terms of those that are still in touch with their animalistic side... like humans.. we still feel envy,gluttony, etc... because we still think in terms of individuals, and true peace and intellect aim more towards community.... that's in terms of religious mythology, but I still feel it does bear truth behind it.

    MegaMushroom07, I can totally see where you're going for that.. because plates only have 3 purposes... to serve things, to be washed... or to be shattered.


    Pokemon Diamond... I agree with what's being said... WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT... lol.. :P ... I never knew that Azelf, Mespirt, Uxie, Palkia and Dialga started an amusement park for family fun.
     
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    Here my theory,

    Mew - Ancestor Of Pokemon in Earth , He the one create all pokemon in Earth(Maybe Not,He just first pokemon that has been created.....Remember the pokemon Movie About Lucario and Mew? ,The tree seem to be the one create pokemon with the help of Mew or maybe Mew power is come from that tree)

    Arceus - God of Legendarypokemon,To me Arceus is Something like Deoxys(I heard it is created by human?O welll i still cant explain this)

    Palkia And Deoxys - They both is guardian of timewhatever , i forgot and space. This 2 legendary suppose have to keep Arceus unharmed/unseen/unkown or even neutralize the power of Arceus.However, the outrages between them cause alot of problem....Here come 3 Spirit Of The Lake Pokemon

    Uxie,Azelf and Mesprit - All this 3 pokemon were summoned by heart of Human
    The Heart of willpower, emotion , XXXXXX (again i forgot)
    in order to neutralize the power of both palkia and dialga to keep the Earth peace and harmony back in freaking thousand years ago

    Drakai And Cresselia - Both Pokemon Seem come from the MOON as they live in FUll moon island.....Drakai would be the first come to the Earth from Moon to look for new fun for its evil deed.Cresselia follow Dakrai in order to keep the Region safe...

    Rayquaza - Guardian Of Weather , He keep the sky in its normal form...and PEACE of course....That how he stop Groudon and Kyogre with it ability....

    Groudon - Guardian of Drought , He will light up anyway he was so he have to keep save in the cave to prevent drought....Rayquaza will come out to negate Groudon ability when Groudon is out for too long

    Heatran - He seem to be descendant of Groudon ...

    Kyogre - Guardian of Rain , He the one keep the place rain....He have to hide in the cave just like Groudon to disable it abilityMaybe he move all the time in underwater cave .....Same thing happen with groudon

    Manaphy - Prince of The Sea, he the one keep the sea calm and safe.It also will rage when anything bad happen to the sea.......I'm not sure he should called as King of the sea since the KING is dead.....

    Jirachi - The Wishmaker or it is called Hope Pokemon. IT has ability to realise the wish of someone.He seem to be has connection with Deoxys since he came froum outer space...

    Deoxys - Who knows he is a pokemon or not....It maybe legendary in Earth but not in some other worldThere is few Deoxys in it Movie...He called Deoxys due to its complex and weird DNA construction...

    Celebi - Guardian of The Wild ...He keep the wild safe and peace..He seem to has no connection to any other legend

    Ho-Oh - Ruler of The Sky ...I called it ruler instead of guardian because he did not help anything in trouble . EG: Lugia and 3 legend bird in pokemon movie ....It just keep the sky peace in Johto Area....Rival of Lugia to me....He is helped by 3 legendary dog

    3 Legendary Dog - Created by Ho-Oh to keep the land in peace..It create 3 basic type so that it power is greatly equalize ...This to ensure that this 3 wont cause any Trouble like Groudon and Kyogre

    Lugia - I cant think anything about Lugia .He has connection with Lati Twin

    Lati Twin - Descendant of Lugia.....He quite Looks like Lugia to me .....

    3 Legend Bird - It was created by Mew to bring the peace of its Region
    and Regi Trio

    Regigigas - Not much important.....He just the one break the land into different Region

    Mewtwo - Created base on Mew gene and Evil heart by Team Rocket....EVIL

    Lucario - IT IS SO MUCH DIFFERENT IN THE MOVIE AND THE GAME . So the storyline is confused....

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    Forgot about Giratina

    Giratina - It is create to take care afterlife just like Hades......
     
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    eternalglory

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  • Why can't Celebi have come from the future and brought Arceus, who shaped the world. Celebi is now at the beginning of time, and Arceus creates Dialga to give it Time to roam into. Palkia is created to give Celebi a place to go.
    Then, they all start to fight, and Celebi leaves, because it is no longer peaceful. Arceus creates Giratina to subdue Dialga and Palkia, but Giratina hides in another dimension. Arceus learns that the fighting will not be solved by fighting, and eventually Arceus creates Uxie, Azelf, and Mespirit, who calm down everyone. With Knowledge, Emotion, and Willpower created, the ability to Wish is born, and so Jirachi is shaped out of these emotions. Jirachi senses the empty earth, and makes it able to be populated with Pokemon. Mew is born from this wish.

    Meanwhile, Arceus realizes that the Earth isnt doing much. He creates Regigigas, who tows the land into what Arceus (and Palkia, I suppose) wishes. However, the Earth is not doing much, so Arceus creates Pokemon to manage opposing weathers: Rain and Drought, with Kyogre and Groudon. However, after their epic battles, Arceus sees that the world is not as it should be, and creates Rayquaza to manage a balance between the two.

    However, it would seem that not all legendaries are actually unique. Even though Mew is said to be the ancestor of all Pokemon is Diamond, in FireRed the Pokedex entry is as follows: "A Pokemon of South America that was thought to have been extinct. It is very intelligent and learns any move." This suggests that, while Mew may be the ancestor of all Pokemon, it created more Mews.
    Another point would be that more than one Lugia has been spotted. This suggests that only a few Pokemon are truly unique to the world.
    Also, Heatran can either be male or female.

    Speaking of Heatran, according to Bulbapedia, Heatran came from the volcanos when the world was first formed, and the lava and magma pooled together to form it. That works for me.

    Now, we know that after this there are many ancient Pokemon: Aerodactyl and Kabutops are just examples. However, after a while, they went extinct. Using a fallen comet as a basis for this, I suggest that most ancient Pokemon (except the legendaries, they are powerful enough to sustain themselves) died out, and from this comet came the virus that would eventually become Deoxys.

    During all this nonsense, Regigigas must have walked the earth to see how it was. As it walked, bits and pieces of it eroded off of it and fell onto certain elements: Regirock spawned from a piece that landed on a mountain, Regice from a piece that fell in Antartica, and Registeel from a mix of the piece of Regigigas and the virus-free meteorite, thus creating Registeel (this would explain why the metal is unknown to the scientists).

    Eventually, Lugia and Ho-oh are born: One to Guard the Seas, and one to Guard the Skies. Eventually, born from Lugia comes Latias and Latios. Ho-oh flies constantly around the sky, bringing the newly-evolving Pokemon happiness and life, but Lugia remains underwater, breeding new Flying-like Pokemon, like the aforementioned Latias and Latios. Eventually, three Birds are born: Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres. Lugia makes sure these three stay peaceful, for it is their parent.

    Around this time, Cressalia falls from the moon and establishes the fact that travel is possible from the moon. Other pokemon fall from the moon as well, such as Cleffa.

    Finally, many more Pokemon start taking form. Jirachi grants a wish once more to create Shaymin, who guards mother nature and make sure she stays clean and fresh.

    Also, I think that Giratina creates Darkrai to plague the world that Arceus created out of spite for Arceus. That's all I have about Darkrai.

    After a while, humans show up (I don't care how, this is more about Pokemon), and humans eventually build many things, and grow vastly. They build many structures, including the Tin and Ecruteak Towers (Brass Tower). However, war eventually destroys these buildings, as well as some Pokemon inside it. Ho-oh is near at the time, and revives three Pokemon especially to be the embodiment of some sort: Raikou, the embodiment of the speed of lightning; Entei, the embodiment of the passion of magma (??); and Suicune, the embodiment of the Northern Wind.

    With human research comes the ability to revive ancient Pokemon as well as create new ones. Deoxys is finally created when the viral DNA encounters a laser, and Mewtwo is created from an epic reviving maneuver.

    That's my theory on it anyway. Time travel solves everything :D

    Oh, and I saw a lot of people talking about plates? Well, we can say that Arceus used each plate to create a different Element, and is the physical manifestation of said element into a form that only Arceus can use, thus giving him power over all elements. However, over thousands of years, the plates got buried and such. I think that's pretty good.
     
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    Hikari Hyuga

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  • Why can't Celebi have come from the future and brought Arceus, who shaped the world. Celebi is now at the beginning of time, and Arceus creates Dialga to give it Time to roam into. Palkia is created to give Celebi a place to go.
    Then, they all start to fight, and Celebi leaves, because it is no longer peaceful. Arceus creates Giratina to subdue Dialga and Palkia, but Giratina hides in another dimension. Arceus learns that the fighting will not be solved by fighting, and eventually Arceus creates Uxie, Azelf, and Mespirit, who calm down everyone. With Knowledge, Emotion, and Willpower created, the ability to Wish is born, and so Jirachi is shaped out of these emotions. Jirachi senses the empty earth, and makes it able to be populated with Pokemon. Mew is born from this wish.

    Meanwhile, Arceus realizes that the Earth isnt doing much. He creates Regigigas, who tows the land into what Arceus (and Palkia, I suppose) wishes. However, the Earth is not doing much, so Arceus creates Pokemon to manage opposing weathers: Rain and Drought, with Kyogre and Groudon. However, after their epic battles, Arceus sees that the world is not as it should be, and creates Rayquaza to manage a balance between the two.

    However, it would seem that not all legendaries are actually unique. Even though Mew is said to be the ancestor of all Pokemon is Diamond, in FireRed the Pokedex entry is as follows: "A Pokemon of South America that was thought to have been extinct. It is very intelligent and learns any move." This suggests that, while Mew may be the ancestor of all Pokemon, it created more Mews.
    Another point would be that more than one Lugia has been spotted. This suggests that only a few Pokemon are truly unique to the world.
    Also, Heatran can either be male or female.

    Speaking of Heatran, according to Bulbapedia, Heatran came from the volcanos when the world was first formed, and the lava and magma pooled together to form it. That works for me.

    Now, we know that after this there are many ancient Pokemon: Aerodactyl and Kabutops are just examples. However, after a while, they went extinct. Using a fallen comet as a basis for this, I suggest that most ancient Pokemon (except the legendaries, they are powerful enough to sustain themselves) died out, and from this comet came the virus that would eventually become Deoxys.

    During all this nonsense, Regigigas must have walked the earth to see how it was. As it walked, bits and pieces of it eroded off of it and fell onto certain elements: Regirock spawned from a piece that landed on a mountain, Regice from a piece that fell in Antartica, and Registeel from a mix of the piece of Regigigas and the virus-free meteorite, thus creating Registeel (this would explain why the metal is unknown to the scientists).

    Eventually, Lugia and Ho-oh are born: One to Guard the Seas, and one to Guard the Skies. Eventually, born from Lugia comes Latias and Latios. Ho-oh flies constantly around the sky, bringing the newly-evolving Pokemon happiness and life, but Lugia remains underwater, breeding new Flying-like Pokemon, like the aforementioned Latias and Latios. Eventually, three Birds are born: Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres. Lugia makes sure these three stay peaceful, for it is their parent.

    Around this time, Cressalia falls from the moon and establishes the fact that travel is possible from the moon. Other pokemon fall from the moon as well, such as Cleffa.

    Finally, many more Pokemon start taking form. Jirachi grants a wish once more to create Shaymin, who guards mother nature and make sure she stays clean and fresh.

    Also, I think that Giratina creates Darkrai to plague the world that Arceus created out of spite for Arceus. That's all I have about Darkrai.

    After a while, humans show up (I don't care how, this is more about Pokemon), and humans eventually build many things, and grow vastly. They build many structures, including the Tin and Ecruteak Towers (Brass Tower). However, war eventually destroys these buildings, as well as some Pokemon inside it. Ho-oh is near at the time, and revives three Pokemon especially to be the embodiment of some sort: Raikou, the embodiment of the speed of lightning; Entei, the embodiment of the passion of magma (??); and Suicune, the embodiment of the Northern Wind.

    With human research comes the ability to revive ancient Pokemon as well as create new ones. Deoxys is finally created when the viral DNA encounters a laser, and Mewtwo is created from an epic reviving maneuver.

    That's my theory on it anyway. Time travel solves everything :D

    Oh, and I saw a lot of people talking about plates? Well, we can say that Arceus used each plate to create a different Element, and is the physical manifestation of said element into a form that only Arceus can use, thus giving him power over all elements. However, over thousands of years, the plates got buried and such. I think that's pretty good.

    Wow that theory is excellent, I agree with it completely. It has probably been the best I have seen so far.
     

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  • Well to have a future for Celebi to come from there had to be a past first no?
    An wouldnt Palkia have to create time first for Celebi to travel through it?
     

    MegaMushroom07

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    I agree. Also, since no legend can breed, the theory of Lugia being the parent of other legends is hard to believe.
     

    Diageo

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  • Well I dont think pkmn have that much power and only have some powers which ppl used to explain how the worrld was made. So pokemon are only legendary because ppl call them legendary. And theories contradict each other just like the gods contradict each other in each of the worlds traditions today.
     

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    Im gonna throw my 2 cents in. Its not too well thought through but here goes:
    *I think that some of the more powerful pokemon had dieties. It has already been said that power can lead to evil, so these slightly less powerful creatures were created to attempt to keep them in check if it was needed. This links back to someone's heirachy theory;
    *Arceus creted life, so created mew; the ancestor pokemon. I also think arceus made these dieties as he had the strength, age and hindsight to see the possibilities.

    *Dialga was in charge of Time, his diety was celebi, who travels round time doing nice things. This overly charitable nature could be to simulate the compassion lacked by Dialga (Who spends most of his time trying to nail Palkia)
    *Palkia was in charge of space, so had jirachi. Not sure about the background of jirachi, but if i remember correctly it can teleport (I.E manipulating space) to wherever he has to grant wishes. Again this compassion compensate in the same way as celebi.
    The main role of the dieties i think is to take over from their forebears. For example, Palkia finally kills dialga so nothing is supporting time. This is where celebi steps in. Sure he's not as powerful as Dialga but Palkia has no grudge against him, so a bit of time-turmoil and everything is kinda sorted.
    This is where the 3 elves come in. In contrast to that first theory say that Palkia and Dialga settle their differences and team up and decide they wanna get out. But they cant cuz the 3 elves seem to be keeping them in whatever dimension they are in, so thats the failsafe for the two possible situations.

    Not sure about the in-world situation, thats just somethin to think about :)
     

    Shiny Umbreon

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  • Well I dont think pkmn have that much power and only have some powers which ppl used to explain how the worrld was made. So pokemon are only legendary because ppl call them legendary. And theories contradict each other just like the gods contradict each other in each of the worlds traditions today.
    I agree with you. First of all, there are too many legendaries, and they are all seem to be very important to be world, having created or taking care of part of it. Yet they collide. Manaphy, Kyogre and Lugia have to do with the sea. Groudon, Regigigas, Heatran and Shaymin have to do with land. Rayquaza and Ho-oh have to do with the skies. And, since this is space, Palkia has to do with them too. Meanwhile, Dialga and Celebi have to do with time. And Mew and Arceus with the beginning of the world. You can't just make a theory to organize them all. If, for example, Arceus had created Mew (and they both helped to make the Pokémon), why do people in Sinnoh say nothing about Mew? And why do people in Kanto say nothing about Arceus?

    Especially because of this, I think none of them are really what everyone says they are. I'll continue with my argument later, though, but think about it.
     

    Nacon

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  • I agree with you. First of all, there are too many legendaries, and they are all seem to be very important to be world, having created or taking care of part of it. Yet they collide. Manaphy, Kyogre and Lugia have to do with the sea. Groudon, Regigigas, Heatran and Shaymin have to do with land. Rayquaza and Ho-oh have to do with the skies. And, since this is space, Palkia has to do with them too. Meanwhile, Dialga and Celebi have to do with time. And Mew and Arceus with the beginning of the world. You can't just make a theory to organize them all. If, for example, Arceus had created Mew (and they both helped to make the Pokémon), why do people in Sinnoh say nothing about Mew? And why do people in Kanto say nothing about Arceus?

    Especially because of this, I think none of them are really what everyone says they are. I'll continue with my argument later, though, but think about it.


    and I'm on the same page as you... what you just posted is an example of what I mean when it comes to regional myths.
     

    Xoo

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  • I don't think they mention it because they're all different regions, and only some people know about the other regions.
     

    Diageo

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  • I dont think manaphy is anything that important, I just think it lives in the ocean and its rare but it was named prince of the sea just like a lion is king of the jungle without any kinglike deeds.... Killing animals intead of ruling them.
     

    MegaMushroom07

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    Yes, I agree. I don't think Manaphy has any significance; Just rare. I think the same of Mew; It has no role, it's just the original Pokemon on earth....
     

    Diageo

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  • I dunno about Mew, to be the first pkmn (ancestor of all pkmn) he'd need to be the first. But he'd need arceus to build the universe cuz he has no power to that extent. So if Arceus made the universe then mew cant be the first pkmn. It just confuses me....
     
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    Don't they say in Kantou that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon, but they didn't know about Arceus, because that's Shinou religion. Mew is probably the ancestor of all non-god-Pokemon, the Pokemon that live on Earth. I think Mew is the first Pokemon on Earth.

    I don't think Serebii is any special either, after all there are more than one Serebii. It just have the ability to travel through time, just as some can teleport through space.

    Did Kaiouga and Groudon really create the ocean and the land? Unless the game/anime says so, I think they only controls it. I think Headran created the land or if it was Regigas (I don't remember).

    Some legendary Pokemon aren't as powerful as people believes. Both Serebii and Raikou has been defeated by Rocket. Latios was captured once. Latios and Latias are just rare Pokemon, because there are more than one of each; they also have genders.

    No one can say if a Pokemon is legendary or not. Windi/Arcanine is legendary in China, but not elsewhere it seems. Some Pokemon (like Lati@s, the legendary birds/beasts) are referred to as half-legends by some people.

    Stronger Pokemon are rare, since there has to be a balance, or else maybe the weak ones (like Koratta) will die out.

    Maybe some Pokemon comes from the thoughts of people. Like Daakurai and Crescelia; they appear in peoples dreams. So maybe these Pokemon are not causing the bad/good dreams, but appear from the dreams themselves.

    And Lugia, I don't think it was told to watch the sea, maybe it just made its territory there. So Lugia maybe is another very rare Pokemon.

    I don't know much about the story of the Pokemon world, so maybe I'm wrong.
     

    Shiny Umbreon

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  • I don't think Serebii is any special either, after all there are more than one Serebii. It just have the ability to travel through time, just as some can teleport through space.
    Who says there's more than one?
    But, yeah, it might not be that special.

    Did Kaiouga and Groudon really create the ocean and the land? Unless the game/anime says so, I think they only controls it. I think Headran created the land or if it was Regigas (I don't remember).
    Don't trust the anime, but the game say, if I remember correctly, that Groudon shaped the continents or something and Kyogre made the ocean.

    Some legendary Pokemon aren't as powerful as people believes. Both Serebii and Raikou has been defeated by Rocket. Latios was captured once. Latios and Latias are just rare Pokemon, because there are more than one of each; they also have genders.
    Team Rocket? Anime.... But Dialga, Palkia, Groudon or Kyogre were never controlled by the evil teams. And where's the proof that there's more than one Latios/Latias. And genders doesn't make them less important or non-legendary either. In fact, supposedly legendaries have genders, but it's still unconfirmed.

    No one can say if a Pokemon is legendary or not. Windi/Arcanine is legendary in China, but not elsewhere it seems. Some Pokemon (like Lati@s, the legendary birds/beasts) are referred to as half-legends by some people.

    Stronger Pokemon are rare, since there has to be a balance, or else maybe the weak ones (like Koratta) will die out.
    Arcanine legendary in China? What?
    Well, games-wise, legendary means you can't get more than one in each game without trading. Maybe Mewtwo shouldn't count in this case because it was artificially created, so it shouldn't have to do with nature.

    Maybe some Pokemon comes from the thoughts of people. Like Daakurai and Crescelia; they appear in peoples dreams. So maybe these Pokemon are not causing the bad/good dreams, but appear from the dreams themselves.

    And Lugia, I don't think it was told to watch the sea, maybe it just made its territory there. So Lugia maybe is another very rare Pokemon.

    I don't know much about the story of the Pokemon world, so maybe I'm wrong.
    Since are we gods to make things out of dreams? And you can catch Cresselia and Darkrai, feed them, level them up. They're not imaginary.

    Lugia is, according to popular belief, the guardian of the sea. It's not just any normal Pokémon that lives there. Even if legends are wrong, it's strong enough to be considered a legend.
     
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    In one of the games it's says windi is egendary in China. One of the old games.
    And in the anime there are many Serebii and Lati@s. You see many Serebii in the end of the 4th movie. And a lot of Lat@s saves a city in the beginning of the 5th movie.

    About Daakurai and Crescelia, maybe it's not that way. But I think that in some religions, somethings comes to exist because of people's actions or thoughts. I'm not sure, but in an earlier post I think someone said the Elves came from Emotion, Will and Knowledge instead of having created these things themselves.

    However, Arceus could have given Pokemon and humans feelings and such things, and in that way created these Pokemon anyway. In whatever version, it often turns out that everything come from Arceus.
     
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