Like A Virgin

[Izanagi]

Wow, that is one of the only sane posts in this thread :D

 

[Rich Boy Rob]

Teenage fornication in general is very wrong in my book. Generally speaking, teenagers aren't in love with their partner (but they will swear they do because they have a physical attraction to them), teenagers aren't mature enough to handle having a child, and teenagers aren't financially prepared to have a child. Even in the rare case where one of those three is present, the other two will most likely be missing.

I don't think you need to be in love to have sex as it can be recreational thing, but I agree that underage teenagers aren't mature enough to raise a child. However as long as contraceptive is used I don't see why people who are 16 or over shouldn't have sex. People who want children when they're 18 should be be free to do so, but I personally don't want kids until I'm 30+.

 

[Magik?!]

Teenage pregnancy is entirely dependent on the situation. If the person has decided thats definitely the route she wants to take in life and she is mentally mature enough to handle pregnancy and motherhood, as well as having the correct resources for a child, then why not, although having all three of those things seems unlikely. On a personal level, I wouldnt want to be a father until at least 30, because that will give me the time to do all the other things in life other than create; even then it wouldn't be a priority for me.

As for Teenage Sex in general, I dont have much of a problem with that, but once again i would stress that both parties should be emotionally prepared for it.

Sex and pregnancy without marriage? I dont see any moral, emotional or physical reason why marriage is necessary for sex. Although, once again I think that the couple should be financially ready and responsible. What difference is there between having sex and having sex with a certificate in a cupboard somewhere?

tl;dr version of what I'm about to say: I agree with this person.

I come from an upbringing and stuff where I don't even approve of marriage, I think that it is a pointless act - if you're going to be with someone for all your life, you will, regardless of whether you have a ring and a piece of paper to say so. Marriage these days is becoming more pointless, with the divorce rate getting higher and the costs of divorce getting lower. Who's to say that the person you have a kid with is gonna want to be around you forever? Some people say that the way marriage is becoming is a bad thing, but I believe it's better, people are more free to do what they wish which, from my observations, leads to happier people.

I also know a lot of people who have single parents, and in my experiences, they're closer to their parents than the ones who have both around the whole time. So I don't think that you even need to have both parents to raise a child (though that depends on the situation and stuff). I don't see why having a child before marriage is such a big problem, I don't even plan to get married but I still want children when I'm older, so yeah, I'll be having kids before I'm married I guess.

As for teenage pregnancy, I actually disapprove pretty strongly. If they're below 16, I think it's awful, after that I guess it depends on what type of person they are and what they want to do. I know one of my friends is 17 and she would be happy to get married next year and have kids and stuff, but that's because all she's wanted is a family and she never really had any big dreams or anything, so for her to have kids at 17-20 wouldn't spoil her life or whatever - it's what she's been planning for. I know a lot of other people who want to go to university and get a good job or travel and broaden their horizons before having kids, so for them to get pregnant would ruin that for them. I know that plenty of people go through uni with kids or while they're pregnant, but to me uni seems like it should be kind of... the inbetween period between being a 'young adult' and being an adult, having kids kinda skips that transition and you just end up becoming an adult straight away.

Ultimatly I think it's up to the individuals though, I wouldn't criticise someone who is unmarried and 20 years old with a five year old if they were able to look after it and it was happy and stuff any more than I would criticise a married 30 year old with the same five year old, it's up to how they bring the child up to make a difference in this world and to be the best that they can be - that shouldn't depend on their parent's age or marital status.

 

[Eternal Nightmare]

Sadly, I have seen middle school girls walking around pregnant or with children. 11th grade and beyond then its a different story. I persoannly think if some is finacially stable and ready for the bay then technically there is no problem, although this can interfere with schoool. 99% of the time these teens just want to experience sax and don't really think about the consquences. The so called father will more than likely leave the girl when they find out about the baby as the only real intention was to "score." This is also another major problem as why I think its better to wait.

My point...yes its bad and can led to several complications later on in life. Its not as bad if the pregnant youth is supported finacially and with the aid of both parents as well as their "mate" or whatever they want to call it. That is all :3.

 

[Esper]

Food for thought: "pre-marital sex" isn't the best term since not everyone who has sex ever gets married. And you can get pregnant without ever having sex a la sperm donor. I don't know if it's ever happened, but it's possible.

Anyway, if you're pregnant and want to be pregnant the more people you have supporting you the better. I don't mean a husband-who-brings-home-the-bacon type of support necessarily, but family and friends and living close to medical facilities and just everything you might need. There doesn't have to be a husband/father and sometimes you're better off without him if he's not a good character.

 

[Throat]

Wow, that is one of the only sane posts in this thread :D

Yes, because it agrees with what you think, hoho.


As long as you're in legal age, I think you have the right to have a baby no matter your status or age. If you are not it's complicated.

 

[Bluerang1]

I agree with Nagi, but let me be more subtle.

Teenage pregnancy. Really? When did that become normal. I thought teenagers were meant to be kids, have fun ,*pokes "Kid's these Days"* not be tied down with babies. I think waiting makes sense as 1) You won't be together for a long time/ever 2)You can get heart-broken 3) God knows what's spreading, seriously, it's not with one person but with all the others as well, gross. Besides, it's better to be fresh than raw...

That is all I can say subtlety and without going against the rules which I support :P

 

[The Cynic]

Teenage fornication in general is very wrong in my book. Generally speaking, teenagers aren't in love with their partner (but they will swear they do because they have a physical attraction to them), teenagers aren't mature enough to handle having a child, and teenagers aren't financially prepared to have a child. Even in the rare case where one of those three is present, the other two will most likely be missing.

I dunno, it might just be because I'm asexual personally, but I strongly feel that Lust is considered a deadly sin while Chastity is considered a heavenly virtue for a reason.

BTW, for those debating the marriage thing, I don't think the traditional views revolve around the article of paper itself, but more or less the love and devotion to one another that real married couples share. This is why such examples without an official marriage certificate are often called Common Law Marriages.

Is love nessecary for lovemaking? Can it not just be a fleeting surge of passion? Or could it even be casual?

We better get off sex by the way as Chibi Chan dosn't like its discussion (although when you think about it it's somewhat necessary in a thread on pregnancy).

Furthermore, marriage dosn't always represent devotion. Divorce happens in roughly 1/5th of all marriages in EMDCs.

 

[Kenpari]

I'm completely against teenage pregnancy, but not so much against pregnancy without marriage. I'm against it if one of the two don't give a damn and then they split up right afterwards, but if the baby brings them together more and then eventually get married or at least stick together and act as if they were married, then I'm for it.

 

[Aureol]

I don't support pregnancy in any form outside of marriage, and I think teen pregnancy is a real problem. Children deserve a mother and a father, not just one parent, and we have enough kids in the orphanages without adding to the problem. Of course, there is a way to completely prevent pregnancy, but some people don't have the self-control, I guess? Obviously, rape victims are exempt from this.

Anyways, I blame a good portion of society's problems on irresponsible pregnancies like this. If it's an adult that gets pregnant outside of marriage, it's not as bad (although still not ideal), but teenage pregnancies rarely work out without major issues down the road.

 

[HarrisonH]

Oh god, this thread is absolutely hilarious.

Teens have sex. Accept it. Teens get pregnant too. That's what happens when you have sex without protection. Our schools suck at informing teenagers about what they can do to protect themselves. I've been in 3 different high schools, and each one has had abstinence-only education. Guess what? Pregnancy everywhere.

Apparently, kids today are too retarded to go to the store and buy a box of condoms. You don't even need a box, men's restrooms have condom vending machines.

 

[apples2]

It's not like most of you would have to worry about pregnancy anyway.

 

[KillehKiwi]

I don't judge.
So if a girl and guy want to have sex, what the hell, do what you want! It's you life, live it to the fullest, in my opinion.

It doesn't matter to me, teens, adults.
Whatever! If you get pregnant, you get pregnant.
You chose to have unprotected sex, and you got pregnant, so what?
I don't understand why it's soooo bad for teens to get pregnant before marriage, but it's lesser for an adult. I know, with money and stuff, but it's just looked down upon like a plague!
It's another's life, don't freaking try to control it to make it like your own 'perfect' life! It won't work.

 

[Sneeze]

Wow, that is one of the only sane posts in this thread :D

I love how you avoided/ignored everyone arguing we are in fact animals, which by the way, we are.

 

[Honest]

In my religion, sex before marriage is a one way ticket to hell. I, however, look at it different. If guy and girl wanna do it, with full knowledge of the risks and that there prepared for it, then I say it's okay. I would rather they didn't get the girl pregnant, however if both agree that they can look after the child, then I guess it is alright. Marriage is not necessary for either sex or parenthood.

 

[HarrisonH]

In my religion, sex before marriage is a one way ticket to hell.

Not if you ask for forgiveness.

 

[RuRuBell]

I find that most teenagers aren't mature enough to be able to become good parents, nor do they have the money/resources to be able to support a child.

On the other hand, that could be said for a lot of adults, as well...

I don't see why so many people believe marriage necessarily equals parenthood. I don't see how a pair of rings and a certificate somehow make you better parents than people who don't.

And what about those who can't (or don't want to) get married?

If they're good parents, I don't see the harm, really. There are married couples who make good parents, and there are bad ones. Likewise, there are couples (or even singles) who make good parents, and some who are bad.

My point is, marriage is pretty much irrelevant to parenting skills or to sex. If you want to have it outside of marriage, I don't see the problem with that. I don't think the promiscuity is a good idea (but whatever floats your boat, I guess), and you should have sex with someone who means something to you. Protected, unprotected, whatever...just be sure you know the consequences.

 

[Timbjerr]

Is love nessecary for lovemaking? Can it not just be a fleeting surge of passion? Or could it even be casual?

We better get off sex by the way as Chibi Chan dosn't like its discussion (although when you think about it it's somewhat necessary in a thread on pregnancy).

Furthermore, marriage dosn't always represent devotion. Divorce happens in roughly 1/5th of all marriages in EMDCs.

Like I said...maybe because I'm an asexual, I can't relate to the notion that lovemaking could just be a fleeting surge of passion. The only people I've ever been sexually attracted to were people I had deeper feelings for...so yeah, chalk my opinion up to inexperience. >_>

The point of the "no children until after marriage" thing, at least in ancient times, was to ensure that the child has a devoted father and a devoted mother to care for them. That's why, even in today's modern society, it's highly recommended that both parents be involved in the child's life even if they are divorced/separated.

 

[Aureol]

The point of the "no children until after marriage" thing, at least in ancient times, was to ensure that the child has a devoted father and a devoted mother to care for them. That's why, even in today's modern society, it's highly recommended that both parents be involved in the child's life even if they are divorced/separated.

That's the biggest deal with teen pregnancies. They're teenagers with raging hormones they don't feel like controlling (they certainly didn't have a child because they wanted one). With an accident like this, typically there is gonna be little devotion from the mother, and almost zero from the father, which is why this type of behavior should be discouraged. At least adults feel some responsibility for an unwanted child; teenage guys aren't going to accept any of this 90% of the time. If I messed up and had a child, I am sorry to admit I wouldn't accept him/her, and I would tell the mother to put it up for adoption.

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as completely safe sex, so there will be many teen pregnancies to come.

 

[Katie_Q]

I think its fine if there prepared to take on a baby. I don't think marriage is as important as some people make it out to be. When two people are in love with each other, thats great, but they don't need a wedding to prove it. Though I'll probably have a small wedding when I'm older anyway.

But yes, teen pregnancy. It's their choice. Personally I wouldn't want to be stuck with a child, when I'm supposed to be just enjoying life with friends and getting through school etc. But it's really none of my business what everyone else is up to.