FreakyLocz14
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Yeah. That's fine, and I think it's legal too, but completely nude is what we're currently on about.
No not fully nude, just topless.
Yeah. That's fine, and I think it's legal too, but completely nude is what we're currently on about.
You make a good case with the ozone layer. The main reason for being topless would be to cool down, but with an ever growing risk of skin cancer, I suppose clothes will needed for the opposite of they were invented for. Namely, keeping us from burning rather than getting cold.
Now, as it's 1:30 in the morning, I'd best be off.
we're not exactly going to be around in 90 years. :|
Oh not global warming. You do know that we are currently in an ice age and the world is supposed to get warmer as we come out of it don't you?
Back on-topic, women breastfeed in public often here. There is a time where her breast is exposed, nipple and all.
If my argument is flawed then please give a reason as to why it is, rather than just saying "no, we should not". Like I said, I can't really respond to this comment without knowing what you are referring to but I'll take a stab in the dark here and respond by pointing out that some people feeling uncomfortable with other people walking around without tops on isn't enough reason to ban it.No, we should not. It astounds me that you can say exactly why that would be a problem and why your argument is flawed and not realize it.
But I didn't say that people won't do it..? The point I was trying to make is that because many people are uncomfortable with being topless in public the law change probably won't make much of a difference in the amount of topless people you see. I didn't say it won't happen.I don't see where you get off assuming people won't do it, which is the problem at hand, not "everybody".
Not necessarily. If the majority of people are uncomfortable walking around topless in public it does not automatically make the majority of people uncomfortable with seeing other people walking around topless in public. I would feel uncomfortable wearing a pair of earrings because they are not typically seen on men (and because I don't like earrings but that's not the point), but that doesn't mean I want to make it illegal for men to wear a pair of earrings.There's a reason for this. And it goes to say that many people would be uncomfortable seeing people walking around topless as a direct result.
Why shouldn't they be treated equal? Because women have breasts? What about the women who don't have breasts? Should they be forced to cover up as well, even though it's the same as a man being topless?Good for you, but males shouldn't be compared to females in this discussion. This is one of the cases where they should not be treated equal, as that would be ignorant of differences.
I'll repeat what I said in my last post: just because it is legal it doesn't mean every female is going to start going outside topless all of the sudden. You probably wouldn't even notice a change.Huh? Wait what? How do you figure that??
There are also thousands of people not comfortable with being around Muslims. Should we ban them as well?I assure you there are thousands of people not comfortable with this.
Okay, new example then. Tattoos. Some people are offended by tattoos and think they are disgusting. Should we strip people of the right to have tattoos on their own body?Example is done in private, not public. Poor comparison.
Okay, I have a few points to make here.
1. Women should have the right to walk topless in public. Just because something is legal doesn't mean everybody does it - we're not suddenly going to be bombarded with topless women everywhere we go. This thread is proof enough of that - hardly anybody is actually comfortable walking around topless (heck, I'm male and apart from beaches and nearby shops etc. I'm not comfortable walking around topless either) so it won't be much of a problem. However, just because one person isn't comfortable with it doesn't mean that it should be banned for everyone. Oh hey guys, I'm uncomfortable with realistic violence in video games, let's ban it! [/sarcasm]
2. Like another poster has said before me, in the majority of rape cases the rapist knows their victim personally (in other words, they are not strangers). Women walking around topless will inevitably invite pervs to stare at them and some might find themselves the subject of sexist comments, but again I stress that if these people wish to be subjected to this criticism it is their right to do so. -irrelevant analogy- What kind of world do we live in where somebody gets arrested or fined for taking their top off on a hot day?
3. Just so you know I'm not taking this point of view because I'm a straight male adolescent. Think about it - make it legal for women to take off their tops in public and there's a chance that you might face walking down the main street of the town you're from and seeing a topless old lady or fat lady, or even your sister or mother topless. Suddenly not so appetising, right? What I'm trying to say is that letting women walk around topless will make me uncomfortable, but despite this I still believe women should have the right to make this decision for themselves.
That's a bit of a generalisation there. Not all boys like it when girls ogle them, nor do all girls hate it when boys ogle them. It can work both ways - your creepy van driver is the same as an aunt's drunk friend at her 50th birthday party who decides to go a little too far with the "what a handsome young boy" comments. Stop being sexist; there are people who like and dislike being ogled for both sexes.
Most intelligent women try to be discrete about it though.Oh not global warming. You do know that we are currently in an ice age and the world is supposed to get warmer as we come out of it don't you?
Back on-topic, women breastfeed in public often here. There is a time where her breast is exposed, nipple and all.
That's fair enough :)I hope you don't mind if I pick you apart instead.
I hope you saw what I did there. I can do it with a hundred other scenarios. That's a flawed argument.
If people are going to be harassed...then where's the best interest there? For the staring men? If they're inevitably going to invite perverts and the dregs of society, no one in their right mind would do it. Hence, there should be no law on the subject cause that's a stupid waste of effort and leads to complications when filing against sexual harassment. Like I said earlier, women do not feel oppressed to take off their top. If a woman was hot outside, she's take off her top and BEHOLD. Bikini top. Like I said earlier, bras are there for a reason. -irrelevant comment-
I agree with you in a sense, but somebody going off to live in one of these resorts means a severe compromise to lifestyle and career paths, as in you can't be a successful musician or work in the city if you remain in a nude resort. I get where you're coming from but.You do know there are nude resorts and living areas for people who actually like these things you know. They can all just go there if they want to live that way. And no one is forcing them to live there and they don't feel oppressed- they go because there are like-minded people who also respect the opinion of the overwhelming majority. You don't see them starting a naked revolution.
Oh please don't say you're one of those people who believe women are more emotionally "deep" than men are or whatever. I don't claim to be emotional but it really irritates me when people make that assumption. Physically, yeah I get you, but you can't make generalisations about sex - every person is different. Believe me, I know a ton of girls who are obsessed with looks and would behave the same way as those boys would in Jolene's post. I know boys who act like that too. But I stand by what I said, it is sexist to assume that because I'm a male I will enjoy being ogled (that's such an awkward word combination, "being ogled". Just thought I'd put that out there XD).Sexist? Are you kidding me? Girls and guys are physically and mentally different. God forbid that their social norms are not equal. Men and women *gasp* are not on the same playing field emotionally and physically. There are some things society doesn't want to see or know about and this is one of them. It has way too many connotations and YES, CULTURE behind it.
The way I see it, there are three sides:
the ones who think woman should be covered up,
the ones who think they should have the right to be topless,
and finally, the ones who think this argument is stupid, namely me.
Since none of us are going to settle this argument, there's only one solution:
STATE YOUR OPINION, AND SHUT UP. God, are you high or something? Are y'all really that serious about this? If you want to go topless, do it! If you don't then don't!
So just state your damn opinion, and then SHUT THE-(censored)-UP.
Me: I think woman, if they want, should not be covered.
FINAL, FREAKING, ANSWER.
If my argument is flawed then please give a reason as to why it is, rather than just saying "no, we should not". Like I said, I can't really respond to this comment without knowing what you are referring to but I'll take a stab in the dark here and respond by pointing out that some people feeling uncomfortable with other people walking around without tops on isn't enough reason to ban it.
But I didn't say that people won't do it..? The point I was trying to make is that because many people are uncomfortable with being topless in public the law change probably won't make much of a difference in the amount of topless people you see. I didn't say it won't happen.
Not necessarily. If the majority of people are uncomfortable walking around topless in public it does not automatically make the majority of people uncomfortable with seeing other people walking around topless in public. I would feel uncomfortable wearing a pair of earrings because they are not typically seen on men (and because I don't like earrings but that's not the point), but that doesn't mean I want to make it illegal for men to wear a pair of earrings.
Why shouldn't they be treated equal? Because women have breasts? What about the women who don't have breasts? Should they be forced to cover up as well, even though it's the same as a man being topless?
I'll repeat what I said in my last post: just because it is legal it doesn't mean every female is going to start going outside topless all of the sudden. You probably wouldn't even notice a change.
But you tried to make it sound like you'd never see it. Thee population is quite large, and your average trip anywhere will take you past plenty of people. That being said, even a low percentage of women doing this would result in you seeing it fairly often.
There are also thousands of people not comfortable with being around Muslims. Should we ban them as well?
Okay, new example then. Tattoos. Some people are offended by tattoos and think they are disgusting. Should we strip people of the right to have tattoos on their own body?
Honestly, your idea is right
And what woman in their right mind would go around braless? Do you know how much that hurts? There's a reason women wear bras instead of just wearing a t-shirt you know.
What bias?
Did you notice the post I quoted? I was talking to インフェルノの津波
His ideal about "Shut up and state your opinion" was right. xD
Lets all be big kids and respect eachother.
I love how everyone is a psychic that knows exactly how I feel through the internet. /facedesk
Your argument is based upon a naturalistic fallacy. Just because something is natural does not mean it is right, or in this case, proper. It is an established cultural norm that nudity is unacceptable. And while cultures may be constantly changing, ours has not changed to the point where this is no longer true.
i dont see anyone in here pushing for the law to change immediately as if it will. we know it won't, but i think we're entitled to question society's mindset. i really don't see what's "absolutely disgusting" about some skin and a pair of nipples being shown, and i don't understand why you're setting the guidelines for what's "normal" and what isn't. as rob mentioned several times, exposure to breasts is a perfectly natural and "normal" part of cultures elsewhere, there's no reason it shouldn't be in ours.