Hackenfall Backslash
The weirdest mofo you'll ever meet . . . seriously
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Alas, there definitely are homophobic people even in the gay community. There's also (at least, in my community) a slight divide between gays and lesbians - let alone the fact that transgender, which is totally separate IMO, is not 100% accepted amongst us despite being a key part of LGBT.
Legally you are treated equally. Apart from gay marriage, which I oppose on the grounds that relationships shouldn't require state recognition and should be no different than two people of any creed signing a contract to own a property.
Making legislation to specifically protect minorities is not equal, it's discriminatory.
At the moment I'm not supportive of minorities because they're drowning in minority rights activists which I see as one sided and discriminatory. If they'd throw away their labels and consent to being recognised as nothing more than people it'd be a step forward.
Making legislation to specifically protect minorities is not equal, it's discriminatory.
At the moment I'm not supportive of minorities because they're drowning in minority rights activists which I see as one sided and discriminatory. If they'd throw away their labels and consent to being recognised as nothing more than people it'd be a step forward.
First off, cut the ♥♥♥♥ing privilege crap the hell out. You do not automatically have "privilege" just because you are a white male.
There's a lot of things that modify "privilege". Also, privilege is non quantifiable, non comparable, non measurable and non predictable. It's not a ♥♥♥♥ing stat in a video game, stop treating it like one.
You idiots telling him to go and "check his privilege" or whatever are just as bad as him saying that he is annoyed by homosexuals.
THIRD, and most jarringly, I have never seen a group of idiots (outside of tumblr) show so little disrespect for people's opinion. YES, I DISAGREE WITH LIMMERENT. But how do I express this level of disagreement?[/i]
At the moment I'm not supportive of minorities because they're drowning in minority rights activists which I see as one sided and discriminatory. If they'd throw away their labels and consent to being recognised as nothing more than people it'd be a step forward.
Most people that identify as egalitarian are white twenty-something pseudo-intellectuals that just want to speak over other groups of people.
Like for example...what place does a cishet person have in speaking about trans rights? Literally none. There's no problem with keeping things seperate..and no one seems to have a problem with that except bored cishet/white people that are upset theres no 'movement' for them. Egalitarians are kind of like those people that get mad over the lack of a White History Month when white history is already celebrated all year long.
If you're not ____, why do you care how _____ people campaign for their equality/liberation? If you want to show support just start listening to what _____ people say and call out problematic behavior done by people like you. That's how human rights are won.
I think the role of allies is an incredibly important thing to bring up. Do you believe that someone who isn't part of the group can be part of the movement in the same way a person in the group is, or do you believe that they inherently go into a separate ally group?
Most people that identify as egalitarian are white twenty-something pseudo-intellectuals that just want to speak over other groups of people.
Like for example...what place does a cishet person have in speaking about trans rights? Literally none. There's no problem with keeping things seperate..and no one seems to have a problem with that except bored cishet/white people that are upset theres no 'movement' for them. Egalitarians are kind of like those people that get mad over the lack of a White History Month when white history is already celebrated all year long.
If you're not ____, why do you care how _____ people campaign for their equality/liberation? If you want to show support just start listening to what _____ people say and call out problematic behavior done by people like you. That's how human rights are won.
That's all I feel like saying. I'm sure SOMEONE will pick apart what I said and twist it around to fit their victim narrative. In anticipation of that, I'll summarise my arguments below.
Race: White people did some ♥♥♥♥. It's old news. Let it go. The same people that are being "held down by whitey" are the same people living in white nations, going to white schools and affiliating white people/companies/organisations. Choose one. Can't have both. Either stay away from them or leave them the hell alone, UNLESS, as I've already said, it ventures into aggressive, KKK territory.
Sex/Gender: Men have power, but also responsibility. Until I see feminists tackling male issues (instead of tackling female issues claiming they help males too without evidence to support this), until I see feminists talking about the courts or marriage laws, until I see open and honest dialogue taking place without the 'M' word being used, until I see women going for STEM and other hard degrees and being prohibited from obtaining them (essentially proof of the wage gap/employment gap), you lot will get no quarter from me. Either practice equality or don't, but be honest about it for Christs' Sake!
Sexuality: Your sexual identity/orientation is seen as strange (or queer, as the true definition means 'strange'). No one cares as much as you think they do. Only religious whackjobs with nothing better to do. I certainly don't care. I personally find gay males much easier to deal with than straight ones. Let people say what will about you, but defend yourself if need be. Okay? OKAY!
Translation: You aren't this type of person, so any and all opinions you have about these type of people are invalid.Like for example...what place does a cishet person have in speaking about trans rights? Literally none.
I think the role of allies is an incredibly important thing to bring up. Do you believe that someone who isn't part of the group can be part of the movement in the same way a person in the group is, or do you believe that they inherently go into a separate ally group?
So just because I don't identify as something or am something, I can't speak about it? What if I had a lot of knowledge about the subject? You're basically saying a cis couldn't speak out in favor of non-cis people at a pride rally just because they aren't trans. Good job.
Also, I'm perfectly fine with not having a movement for me, and that's a completely unfounded and ridiculous statement to make. You can argue your case without having to resort to BASELESS ASSUMPTIONS, you know. Or not, either way you'll have at least one other person blindly agreeing with you.
Overall I have to say this is one of the most misguided, assumption-laced posts I've ever seen in this thread.
Translation: You aren't this type of person, so any and all opinions you have about these type of people are invalid.
I guess this means I have no right to speak in favor of gay rights since I'm not gay myself.
The role of allies is to listen and call out problematic behavior, and it is by doing this that they can take part in a movement. For example, when black people speak about racism - I listen. And when I see white people doing something racist, I call it out. By knowing what is racist/problematic, by listening and not speaking over I can help achieve equality by calling out people like me on their behavior and educating them.
I feel like it's important to be inclusive in that allies are part of the same group as members of the specific group being advocated for. For example, I love, love, love when I meet men who identify as feminists. The fact that they want to actively advocate for my rights, even though they're not women, is really impressive to me. At the same time, I think it's important for an ally to realize that, as someone who is not a member of the group being advocated for, their knowledge and ability to speak for the group is not as great as someone who's actually part of the group. (I feel like I'm overusing the word group - let me know if I should try to explain any of this better.) As in, I can advocate for LGBTQ rights, and I can make an effort to understand the issues the community faces as best as possible, but I'll never truly understand, and so I don't really have the right to be a voice of that movement in the same way that someone who is actually gay or lesbian or bisexual or trans does.
Generalizing people is fun! Is this seriously the best you can come up with? Smearing people that you don't like with meanie words makes you a poor debater. You can't say things like this without backing it up, otherwise, it's just pretentious name calling.Most people that identify as egalitarian are white twenty-something pseudo-intellectuals that just want to speak over other groups of people.
If you're not ____, why do you care how _____ people campaign for their equality/liberation? If you want to show support just start listening to what _____ people say and call out problematic behavior done by people like you. That's how human rights are won.
If they are knowledgable on trans related issues, then they actually have an important role as an ally.Like for example...what place does a cishet person have in speaking about trans rights?
Except that it completely stunts integration and only furthers the problems of people who face oppression. There's actually a huge problem with keeping things separate, that's called segregation and it furthers oppression.There's no problem with keeping things seperate..
Again, generalizing. In fact, many egalitarians are not white nor cishet, they're just people who feel that maybe, they don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about the colour of someone's skin or what they're attracted to or what gender they identify as.and no one seems to have a problem with that except bored cishet/white people that are upset theres no 'movement' for them.
watEgalitarians are kind of like those people that get mad over the lack of a White History Month when white history is already celebrated all year long.
I'm actually kind of confused by this... what do you think we're fighting for? Of course I believe in equal rights for everyone, but I also think that the blind sort of activism people in this thread seem to be advocating for won't do anything. Oppression is a lot more intricate and so embedded into society that some sort of "love everyone" approach won't fix these problems at their core. I don't think that if you're straight/white/whatever means that you don't have any problems, I just think that the problems you do face aren't tied to your race/sexuality/whathaveyou and aren't the product of generations of oppression.Why can't we all be egalitarians? I'm sick of seeing "whatever's rights" because the reality is that it's missing the point. There are discrepancies. Men have problems, women have problems, everyone else has problems, these problems have a root cause rooted in our own culture and ignorance. If we take a step back and instead of saying "BUT WOMYN!!!1 PRIVILEGE derpderp!!11" and realize that a root problem harms everyone then maybe we would make progress.
What is this/are these root problem(s)? Reverse racism/homophobia doesn't exist. A black person can be prejudiced, sure, but it's not backed up by years of oppression and doesn't have the same affect as a white person being racist.And perhaps, what is most depressing, is that so many people are focused on an individuals problems (oftentimes problems that they personally face) that the root problem that causes problems for everyone is shrugged underneath.
You're misunderstanding. Of course you can speak out in favour of gay rights, you just can't speak over someone who's gay and tell them that they're issues aren't important or whatever because you have no experience dealing with homophobia.Translation: You aren't this type of person, so any and all opinions you have about these type of people are invalid.
I guess this means I have no right to speak in favor of gay rights since I'm not gay myself.
I mean, this is great, but you still have to recognise that problems for these people exist and they aren't going to go away by being blind to their identity. Like... I agree with treating everyone equally, but a lot of society doesn't (whether it be openly or more subtly) and I don't think it's going to stop if they're told something as simple as treat everyone equal. It just seems like a cop out that ignores that problems that are ingrained into society.they're just people who feel that maybe, they don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about the colour of someone's skin or what they're attracted to or what gender they identify as.
If they are knowledgable on trans related issues, then they actually have an important role as an ally.
An ally is useful because they are able to spread information to others who may not be able to spread them otherwise. This is most notable with people with disabilities - for example, tumblr is not blind accessible, despite being a very interconnected platform for many people to use. This means that if it were not for those who were aware of blind-related issues and how they affect the blind, they would never be able to propagate on this platform. In fact, tumblr is an EXCELLENT example on how NOT to represent people who cannot access a platform, but I'll go into that in a minute.
It is important to note that while these issues must not be spoken from a personal context, people's general opinions can be used to educate what concerns these individuals about these issues to educate others to eventually develop more allies. As more people become aware of injustices, they become more and more vocal.
I'm not going to cite any statistics, but I'm willing to bet that the transgender and nonbinary community is likely less than 1% of the population. With allies who can spread the message, the number of people who supports this 1% increases far more than that 1% is, and, with time, it will eventually become the majority, prompting for social opinion to change.
This is THE biggest problem with autism activism and why 90% of it is considered a joke by non-autistics. Many times autism activists either demonize or segregate themselves from others; this practice does nothing but further complicate their cause by not giving the majority a reason to support them. If a group is going to treat others as if their opinions don't matter, then why should others act like their opinions matter?
Integration is the only way that people will accept those who are different in society.
Do not question the power of having allies.
Except that it completely stunts integration and only furthers the problems of people who face oppression. There's actually a huge problem with keeping things separate, that's called segregation and it furthers oppression.
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I mean, I know there's always that one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ but come on, most people don't justify that kind of behaviour. Although, there have been people who have suggested that black history month defeats the purpose of equal rights, so there is that.
Human rights are won because people integrate themselves into society.
In short, you have done nothing to convince me nor anyone else outside of the two people who thumbs up'd you that people who support everyone's rights because they are human beings are in any way horrible people. Your statements are easily falsified by the fact that me, an egalitarian that does not fit your model of the white, cishet male who is "bored" and "whines about no white history month", exists. Please stop embarrassing yourself further with your sociology 101 drivel.
P.S. love your use of cishet, male and white as if they're inherently bad things and as if people should change to make themselves better people as if these things are a choice to be gg pokecommunity