oh wow, yeah, I don't think they'll ever check'em...sounds like there's some capitalism and superiorism going on in secure. and yes, I do see that most don't trade as the trading forum is basically empty and no one responds to anything anymore. and about the hacks and all, that's the reason why I'm quitting. I'll likely not be around PC any longer, maybe once in a long while just to look and then go...hope you continue to prosper. be happy that you're allowed the priveledges of a secure member at least.