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  • I call everyone m'dear. Or sweetheart, dear, sweetie, et cetera. It's when I start calling you honey that I'm not exactly trying to be friendly.

    But sure, if it bothers you, fine by me.

    If I may, while I understand you're put off by the fact that I only seem to come to you with corrections, I'm not actually trying to be mean to you. I'm only trying to help you by giving you advice. Some of this advice (like the bit about how to review) is a bit more forced on you because it'd cause problems for other people, but in general, I'm not trying to put you down. I only say this because it seems like you've been a bit defensive in this past conversation.
    If you knew all that, then why didn't you go and practice it? =/ I mean, if you know that you're supposed to write a review in a word processing document and proofread/spell check it and not submit it if you're tired, wouldn't you normally go and do it that way on a frequent basis instead of write up a review loaded with misinformation and misspellings?

    The entire point is it's fine and dandy if you say you know all that, but you still have to actually do it.


    Actually, it was necessary to post it to the story because otherwise, Haz would make changes based on your advice, which would only load more errors into his narration. As in, a lot of the things I said in that review-to-a-review were actually corrections to what you were saying, like how you don't necessarily have to capitalize "moon" and why the ages are actually fine as they are. If Haz corrected his work to change something that's already correct, it's unnecessary work for him.

    Long story short, that post wasn't just for you, m'dear. It was also to help Haz out.

    That said, rather than tell me you know this and that and the other thing, why not actually go polish up your technique and put what you already know into practice to avoid getting VMs like these? I'm not trying to insult you here or anything. I'm just saying advising authors to add more errors to their work because of a reviewer's own mistakes isn't going to help them.
    Some reviewers don't go back to threads they've reviewed or read responses from anyone other than the author. Because I don't know if you're the sort who does either, I felt the need to VM you.


    Use the spell checker. A lot of your errors could have actually been picked up easily that way, like "adn" and "teh."


    As I've said in the review-to-a-review, write your review in a word processing document, not the reply box. That way, you can save your review, spell check it, proofread easily, and generally go back to it later if you're tired. Never submit a review if you're so tired you can't be completely coherent.


    If you didn't, it shows otherwise, to be blunt. You try to rip apart someone else's grammar, but you don't take the time to proofread and spell check via a word processor's checker. Ergo, you end up sounding a bit hypocritical (again, also bluntly for lack of a better way to put it), so the writer starts to question you.

    Point is, seriously, if you're going to comment on someone else's grammar, you've got to use it correctly in your own post, period. No excuses whatsoever because your correct (or as close to correct as you can get it, anyway) grammar is serving as yet another example to the author. It's like being a teacher who gives his students all kinds of incorrect information. It just doesn't work.

    In short, use a word processor and slow down even more than you probably already have. Alternatively, don't comment on someone else's grammar to avoid making the author think you don't know what you're talking about.

    Yes, I apologize for sounding this blunt, but you've really got to understand that it's easier to gain respect from the writer if you leave a clean review, and if you can get the respect of the writer, you'll be able to get them to see your point more easily than you would otherwise.
    If you wouldn't mind, please read this. Just to give you a heads up that someone replied to your review, and it wasn't the author.
    I want to be your friend. Would you mind if you'll be my story's editor. Sometimes i sucked in grammar. It will be an honor if you say yes. Can you?
    Hey Bumble, I just wanted to say thanks for sticking with my story, I think you were my first fan! ^_^ And, since you were (In my eyes so shoosh!) you can have one story idea request and I'll write it for you. (No asking for Kyoko back, I mean an actual story written with your idea) Anyway, I'm off to the beach, have a wonderful day!
    See, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. You snap at someone (or appear to -- and if you're not, it may be the exclamation points thing again) before actually thinking about how you're sounding. For example, I'm not trying to insult you. I'm simply saying that, yes, you did sound like you're overreacting, and yes, you were a bit vague in your response while you were doing it.

    As for your review, it's still a shortie (as in, brief and not particularly detailed) because you don't actually make things clear for him. You don't explain why he needs all that, considering the concept of his story. (Note Astinus's detailed response compared to yours. See how she does things like point out specific parts of lvl99's fic and ask questions about it? Pointing out specifics directs the author's attention to that part of the story and encourages them to meditate on a particular set of questions to help them figure out how to flesh it out more or otherwise fix what's wrong.) In general, saying that something's missing without really going into detail as to why it's necessary doesn't tell the author much. It just says something's missing and leaves them in the dark as to what their writing is lacking.

    In other words, editing four times is great and all, but you've got to add more to your reviews. Don't just say the story needs dialogue, plot, characters, et cetera. Really look at what he's trying to do and point out specific weak points to give the author examples as to what can be improved. If you just give a sentence or two about what's wrong, you're telling them you couldn't be arsed to actually read what they're saying.

    Moreover, in any case, yes, it's a history, which is perfectly workable in the fanfiction forum. However, it doesn't necessarily have to have dialogue so long as it's executed a certain way -- as in, answers the questions Astinus brought up.

    Edit: As a side note, while we're talking about reviews, when commenting on someone else's grammar, it's generally a good idea to proofread your review. That way, it's easier for the author to understand (I had to read over "The reason I was today = ? should it be :the reason I was happy today?" a few times to get what you were trying to say there.), and the author's more likely to take your tips seriously because you practice them yourself.

    In general, I've got a guide to reviewing that's stickied in the Writer's Lounge. As egotistical as it may be to say this, I wrote it to help people who want to review to help others. It'd be a good idea, if you're confused by what I'm trying to say, to check it out.
    Going to have to say I can see where Tribulations is coming from. While lvl99 didn't have to insult your review, exclamation point abuse isn't exactly the best way to explain your point. If you want him to understand, it would be best to explain to him clearly what is and isn't a fanfiction, which you didn't really do in either of your first two posts. You merely told him to go look at other fanfiction in the forum, not what's specifically wrong with the format of his.
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