You offered the opinion that you enjoyed that season and gave reasons why, and I "wandered in" and said I didn't like it. I wasn't trying to be contrary and I didn't argue your opinion at all. I just said I didn't like it, in the same way people in real life can be in a group talking about something and someone else can say "Yeah, I don't like it." Bringing up points and reasons for that opinion isn't necessary because I'm not writing a college thesis.*Your statement in general*
You offered the opinion that you enjoyed that season and gave reasons why, and I "wandered in" and said I didn't like it. I wasn't trying to be contrary and I didn't argue your opinion at all.
Do you have villainous teams in your stories? If you do, do they happen to have sub-bosses (or commanders/minibosses/whatever)? Bonus points if they're more than two or three characters and/or are together all the time.
I understand where you're coming from, and my initial post may have been inflammatory, but it does serve as irritation when anyone suggests interest in things that are typically reviled by critics. Star Wars is just one such example, which I honestly can't understand why anyone likes. It's a crappy story, directed by a crappy director, with harmful messages and shamelessly ripped off from Dune. I can't respect anyone's opinion in liking it.When you outright state that you thought someone's favorite (insert something here) sucks, they're going to want reasons for it because, yeah, that sort of thing just doesn't make friends, Redstar. It's like someone coming in here and saying fanfiction sucks and we're not real writers and leaving it at that. It's not about writing a college thesis. It's about the fact that, to be equally blunt, you don't really think all that much about what you're saying to people and then wonder why those people start growling at you like kicked Dobermans. You can say you do, and I'm sure on a level, you do. But still, coming in and saying someone's favorite season -- the season they thought excelled in terms of writing and whatnot -- was, in your words, "crap" (and not even "I didn't really care for it, but I can respect your opinion." or "It's just not my favorite season." but instead "I can personally attest that season four was crap.") and leaving it at that seems to me like it exercises all the prudence of sticking your hand in an alligator cage because your cell phone slid between the bars as it's ringing.
but it does serve as irritation when anyone suggests interest in things that are typically reviled by critics.
I'm not exactly sure what the anime has to do with anything, since I haven't watched it in years. And I've never heard of the "Nostalgia Critic".Incidentally, you happen to be in the Pokémon fandom, whose anime is often given mediocre to low ratings by various anime sites and has had one of its movies ripped apart by the Nostalgia Critic.
I didn't mean to suggest that we shouldn't form our own opinion, but needlessly declaring something badly written or filled with "plot holes" when there are none is something that should be relegated to those that have experience dealing with them. *thumbs down*But it's interesting to see that you've basically just stated that we should just follow the reviews of critics instead of form our own opinions about anything at all. *thumbs up*
I do respect others opinions, and I didn't say I had any distaste for Astinus' interest in the fourth season. She gave it a positive recommendation, I gave it a negative one. That's usually how it goes. (And I've yet to see a positive review for Star Wars that wasn't baseless. It's reviled by the science fiction community and writing/literature in general. George Lucas spouts Campbell, but he sure can't write Campbell)Seriously, though, I respect your opinion, but you've really got to respect everyone else's. Sure, you might not like it because you think it's crap. The critics might not like it because they think it's crap (although this isn't so with the Star Wars example). But people still like it. If you're going to say something's crap, you might as well phrase it in a way that doesn't sound like you're taking a long leak on someone else's thoughts.
Who?And she also transformed into a badass harpy.
I'm not exactly sure what the anime has to do with anything, since I haven't watched it in years. And I've never heard of the "Nostalgia Critic".
I didn't mean to suggest that we shouldn't form our own opinion, but needlessly declaring something badly written or filled with "plot holes" when there are none is something that should be relegated to those that have experience dealing with them. *thumbs down*
I do respect others opinions, and I didn't say I had any distaste for Astinus' interest in the fourth season.
It's reviled by the science fiction community and writing/literature in general.
Who?
The anime is for prepubescent kids and serves as advertisement for the games. It doesn't need to have the depth of Gargoyles.You just said it irritates you when someone likes something the critics don't approve of. I just gave you an example of something you're probably following (and I will have to look up IGN's review of Emerald, but I have the sneaking suspicion they didn't say it was stellar, either) that isn't approved by critics.
No, fans can have their own opinion... But when they start throwing around terms like "Mary Sue" and "Plot Hole" and don't even know what it means, then I get annoyed. (Not saying Astinus did that)So, uh, fans can't have their own opinions of subject material and should only let the critics talk about what was good or bad about something?
Not to mention... didn't you do the same thing to describe the fourth season?
I said it, yes, but I know of many others that feel the same way.
You called one of her favorite seasons crap. Your words, even. In response to her post.
I called the season crap. I didn't say her opinion was crap, nor did I say she herself was crap.
There's a clear distinction between a visual medium and a written medium. Star Trek, for example, is almost universally applauded for its many advances in story-telling and use of science, while Star Wars is treated as a mild fantasy. The literary side of it is also pretty rabid. I've read one good Star Wars work, and it was a comic.Really? Because it's got quite a massive fanbase, last I checked.
And fanbase doesn't equate to quality. The reviews, critiques, and analysis of Star Wars are pretty bad. (Though the original trilogy fares better, Lucas practically screwed himself with the prequels. All the crap he was subtle about before was shoved down our throats)
A ninja harpy, Val. That's bonus points. (But she's still sporting a tummy shot, as well as her human form wearing a belly shirt. Previous female characters weren't so sexist)The same only-female character who transformed into the pink-armored fairy. She won back points, I feel.
The anime is for prepubescent kids and serves as advertisement for the games. It doesn't need to have the depth of Gargoyles.
But when they start throwing around terms like "Mary Sue" and "Plot Hole" and don't even know what it means, then I get annoyed. (Not saying Astinus did that)
I said it, yes, but I know of many others that feel the same way.
And fanbase doesn't equate to quality.
A ninja harpy, Val. That's bonus points.
(But she's still sporting a tummy shot, as well as her human form wearing a belly shirt. Previous female characters weren't so sexist)
You wanted to know why I'm irritated by this or that or whatever my brain can't process right now why I posted in the first place.Wait. If you're not saying that she did that... then why are you bringing it up?
It's all a matter of perspective. I didn't say "Oh my god! How can you think that! I hate that season. It's crap." That could feasibly be taken as me insulting her, but really I just said I hadn't seen Adventure 02 in awhile and was going to, and on a side-note "I think Frontier is crap." That wasn't the focus of my post, just an add-on. (Everyone seems to dislike Dracula, but if I ended my post with "And I can personally vouch that I think Dracula was marvelous." would you guys think I was insulting anyone just because my opinion was contrary?)See, this is why I say you might want to give what you're saying a bit more thought. It's not meant to be offensive. It's just meant to say I think you're unintentionally insulting the crap out of the people whose opinions don't align with yours.
I'd be glad to message you some instances where the series overall was analyzed as pulp smut, granted they're mostly from the same guy. (But he is a prominent science fiction writer and works for NASA)'Course, I've also yet to actually read negative Star Wars reviews that had to do with the first three movies. No comment about the latest ones because, yeah, those I know weren't that well-received by critics or the audience in general.
lolwut. Did you bring this up because of the analysis of Star Wars bit? Either way I'm fascinated by the same thing, and my fic is basically entirely about the philosophy and spirituality of the Pokemon mythos. I should probably check out your group.It is possible to show how deep something really is... anything really (but I have a link in my sig for Pokemon and Philosophy). Heck, there is even a book out there for Family Guy and Philosophy. XD
Hmmm we could chalk up some evidence as to why people were or are interested in Pokemon...
I find that I enjoy the movies more though, as they sometimes have a broader view on themes such as heroism, sacrifice and innocence.
I understand where you're coming from, and my initial post may have been inflammatory, but it does serve as irritation when anyone suggests interest in things that are typically reviled by critics. Star Wars is just one such example, which I honestly can't understand why anyone likes. It's a crappy story, directed by a crappy director, with harmful messages and shamelessly ripped off from Dune. I can't respect anyone's opinion in liking it.
Digimon is a different matter, truly, but I can't say I'll enjoy a show where the only female character transforms into a a fairy wearing a pink armor-bikini.