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That's what I've been saying. You haven't seen a God, and I'm not about to describe to you what a God is, because you need to see it like you see a color.I don't know about other godless folk, but the reason I don't believe in a god is that I can't see him, and I'm not about to push myself to find him. If he may exist but I can't understand nor perceive him, then I don't see much reason for him to be relevant, so whether he exists or not isn't as important as the fact that he isn't affecting my life.
There are many things that I cannot explain in my life. But I don't attribute them to god, just like I don't attribute my ex-tormentor to having a mental disorder (even though I would like to and it would make my life have slightly more sense). Some things are incomprehensible but I choose to let them stand and it doesn't bother me too much.
Some of you out here are pretty godless in my books, but you haven't really given yourself a title. Would you identify with deism? It's a belief in god rooted in reason, with a rejection of religious authority and revelation and even prayer. Some of the Founding Fathers held that belief back in the day - but it's largely evolved to atheism now. But I see it on a continuum between Christianity and atheism (it evolved from Christianity), which makes sense to me because I perceive a lot of grey area before god! and no god.
Personally, I've read too much psychology and biochemistry to believe in a soul. You might say that it takes a leap of faith to "believe" that your consciousness = the sum of all your mental activity. I love explaining this bit. While of course I'm taking a leap of faith, that faith involves acknowledging the possibility that your consciousness/soul is an illusion. So to me it's even more suspicious of my spirituality/soul and that makes me happy because I like to give an understanding of the soul as hard a time as possible. It's not that I don't believe in a soul, it's that I don't believe that the soul can be understood, because everything you think occurs in the framework of your consciousness which you cannot perceive independently of itself. Everything you perceive, to me, is an illusion that is processed through the illusion of the mind. So to me the mind is can only be understood subjectively - which frees it from the grasp of any authority, even religion. It's a bit nihilist, but I like it because I'm not cutting myself some slack. I think my personal philosophy involves making as little assumptions as possible, but postmodernism can tell me a thing or two about that and I may be getting ahead of myself now.
As an atheist I do have faith however. I keep faith in people and humanity as well as human nature - because that is predictable enough/explains enough in the world for me. I used to be unable to explain a godless morality, but through my study of philosophy at school, I think I'm starting to understand how morality can occur without a god authority. So people relatively to very godless don't feel like they're missing something because meaning in life, spirituality, and faith occurs in other ways.
I may be using the word "faith" incorrectly, or misunderstanding my "godless faith" as a parallel to faith in religion. What does faith mean in a religious context? Once in understand that I might be able to say something more meaningful about my own "faith". XD
Then I laugh at you, because I can't do any more to prove what's true to me.No, but then, neither do I spend time contemplating things that I can't prove, especially since proving a negative is impossible. It's not possible to prove that a god does not exist, but it conceivably could be possible to prove that a god does exist. This is why I generally laugh when people tell me to prove that god does not exists. I can't do that any more than I can prove that unicorns don't exist, or that elves don't exist, or that a money tree doesn't exist.
That's what faith is - I have hope for the future. I want there to be a unicorn. I want there to be a money tree. Those things aren't true, but they might be, and I imagine the day they come. There has to be something, why not hope for the future? That's what makes us happy. You don't believe me? Remember when you got to order something you've always wanted to come to you? Were you more happy after it came, or the days leading up to the day you got it? To get happiness is to believe that something is coming. I'm sorry for being happy, I'll try to be miserable like I was, before I found something to make me happy.
You have no right to infringe on my happiness, and I have no right to infringe on your happiness. Therefore, leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone.
You are missing out on such a truth, but I don't blame you for that. It's rather the pride and arrogance in how you present yourself that I blame you.
You and I do not know everything, and you know that as well as I do. Therefore it is impossible to prove objectively that your existence is any more true than my delusions.
Then those people are wrong. Those people are the people that I don't like either, but I want you all to know that despising religious people is unfair to the rest of us who don't dominate others.You have to admit, though, that your understanding of what "God" is is not a universal one. Others may in fact understand "God" to be an entity, especially those who claim to interpret God's will to condemn others for who they are, be they black, gay, or whatever.
You offer one opinion of what "God" is. It is, by no means, a universally shared opinion by religious people.
Please read these passages, and see:
The foundation of any "righteous" believer.Romans 1 said:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
A common misunderstanding - we do not, can not, and should not hate them, but they are that way.Romans 1 said:28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.
However, this doesn't mean we want you dead. In fact, we want you alive and well and with us.Romans 1 said:32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Use this verse against those who hurt you "in the name of God" (eg gay bash, tell you that you're going to hell).Romans 2 said:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
This applies to every human being, Christian or atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, or in fact, any religion.Romans 2 said:6 God "will repay each person according to what they have done."[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
This also applies to every human being, Christian or atheist, Buddhist, Hindu, or in fact, any religion.Romans 2 said:8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.
Romans 2 said:9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;
"The Jews have been chosen; but you can get it like they do if you want."Romans 2 said:10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
God doesn't care who you are, he just wants you to be nice.Romans 2 said:11 For God does not show favoritism.
What I do not know is much greater than me - I do not know many things. I therefore fear the unknown, but I am at the same time curious. I search into the unknown, and hope.Romans 14 said:The Weak and the Strong
14 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person's faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11 It is written:
"'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.'"
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
Faith is hope. Faith has nothing to do with anything objective. If you want to know why we believe in these delusions, it is because we have hope. We can't force you to have hope, because that would be against your will, and that would be against our will. Therefore, believe whatever you want - however, you should know to have faith in the inevitable, the unknown that will soon reveal itself.
Even science has the same approach; have faith in the unknown, and find out what's there.
I don't know why you guys hate all of us so much automatically, especially when we aren't supposed to even be rude to you. What did I ever do to you? What did we cause that you didn't cause back to us?
There are rude people in every group - every race and ethnicity has its fair share of crude and uncivilized people; every faith has its extremists that annoy all of us.
For Christians, it is the ones who control. Read the passages from Romans - Paul clearly tells us that being who you are is the wrong way to do things, and you will be judged as much as the one you judged. You ruin everything for us who have no reason to judge, and I feel bad for myself that I have to be in the same group as you.
For atheists, it's people like you. You condemn all of us, even when you have the same faults in your logic as we do. You think you know everything just by the principle on which you live, yet you clearly do not. If I asked you what exactly your genome was, would you be able to answer immediately? The reasonability of the question is not relevant - the truth is, you know as much as we dumb people who believe in imaginary beings do. You are just as illiterate in the Truth as me, you know no more than anyone else. Take that in mind, and set out on your journey of conversion.
Names aren't important compared to what you believe in.Though if you were to ask these people, they would probably self-identify as being Christian, or Muslim, or Jewish. So even if most would not self-identify as being a Catholic, or Protestant, or Baptist let's say, they would still consider themselves Christians, just Christians not belonging to any particular denomination.
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