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Old April 20th, 2012 (8:42 PM). Edited April 20th, 2012 by Joshua64.
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    Hello. I'm new to 'competetive' B/W and just finished eving a team.. It's not going well, so i thought some of you could help.
    My team:
    Golem,
    Sturdy
    Brave, 252 health 212 def 44 atk Lead.
    Stealth rock
    Sucker punch
    EQ
    Rock blast
    ----
    Umbreon
    Synchronize
    UtiliTank 252 Def. 252 Hp. 6 Atk
    Bold(should impish?)
    Wish, Curse, Payback Yawn.
    --
    Infernape
    Blaze
    Sweep. 252 atk. 252 speed. 4 hp Jolly.
    Close combat, U-turn, Firepunch(should flare blitz?)
    Mach punch.

    Shaymin
    Natural Cure
    Timid 252 spatk 252 speed. spsweep.
    Air slash, Earth power, Seed Flare, Hp Fire(scizor)
    --
    Jellicent
    Water absorb
    Bold, 252 spdef 252 hp 6 def
    Tank
    Scald, Taunt, Recover, Toxic.
    --
    Froslass
    Snowcloak
    Anti-lead/Anti-Dragon
    252 spatk 252 speed, Timid.
    Ice beam, Spikes, Taunt, Shadow ball.
    ------------------------
    I'm thinking also about Ferrothorn, Dragonite, Espeon, or Hitmonchan..
    Suggestions? Replacements? Item suggestions? Synergy tips? Thanks for your time

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    Old April 20th, 2012 (8:53 PM).
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    Aaand moved to CBC since B/W isn't for battling-related things, just a note you'll also need to list abilities for your team too. :)
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    Old April 20th, 2012 (9:43 PM).
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      Aaand moved to CBC since B/W isn't for battling-related things, just a note you'll also need to list abilities for your team too.
      Sorry. Didn't know. Thanks
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      Old April 20th, 2012 (10:22 PM).
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      Golem is terrible in OU because of its common weaknesses. Definitely replace that with Ferrothorn:
      -Spikes/Stealth Rock
      -Leech Seed
      -Power Whip/Protect
      -Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave/Protect
      Nature: Relaxed
      EVs: 252 HP/88 Def/168 SDef
      Item: Leftovers

      While Umbreon does have good mixed defenses, it can't do much offensively to the opponent. Dragonite can fill in its role for bulky support:
      -Substitute
      -Dragon Tail
      -Thunder Wave
      -Roost
      Nature: Careful
      EVs: 252 HP/252 SDef/4 Spe
      Item: Leftovers
      Ability: Multiscale

      Infernape has one of the best mixed move pools out there, so take advantage of that by giving it more coverage moves outside of its STABs:
      -Overheat/Fire Blast
      -Close Combat
      -U-turn/Grass Knot
      -Stone Edge/Mach Punch
      Nature: Hasty/Naive
      EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb

      Since you already have a Grass Pokemon in Ferrothorn, I'd replace Shaymin with a Rapid Spinner like Hitmontop:
      -Rapid Spin
      -Foresight/Toxic
      -Close Combat
      -Stone Edge/Sucker Punch/Rest
      Nature: Impish
      EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/4 SDef
      Item: Leftovers
      Ability: Intimidate

      Jellicent needs a few moe Speed EVs to outspend min Speed Skarmory (take 40 EVs out of Defense and put them into Speed)

      Froslass seems out of place to me because of its huge vulnerability to Scizor. Since most of the changes I suggested were mostly suited for defense, now I'll suggest another all-out attacker, like Hydreigon or Latios:

      Hydreigon:
      -Draco Meteor
      -Dark Pulse
      -Fire Blast
      -Focus Blast/U-turn
      Nature: Modest
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Life Orb

      or
      -Draco Meteor
      -Fire Blast
      -Focus Blast
      -U-turn/Dark Pulse
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Choice Scarf

      Latios:
      -Draco Meteor
      -Hidden Power (Fire)/Dragon Pulse
      -Surf
      -Trick/Psyshock
      Nature: Timid
      EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
      Item: Choice Specs/Choice Scarf
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      Old April 20th, 2012 (10:39 PM). Edited April 20th, 2012 by Joshua64.
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        Time to ev xD
        Thanks for all the help

        Edit: Why not dragon claw? O.o
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        Old April 20th, 2012 (10:58 PM).
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        The reason why Dragon Tail is on Dragonite and not Dragon Claw is because of the phazing utility Dragon Tail provides. It works well with the hazards Ferrothorn provides.
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        Old April 20th, 2012 (11:04 PM). Edited April 20th, 2012 by Joshua64.
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          Oh. And forgot to ask, Is lum viable on hitmontop's rest?

          *Edit: is Deino's egg move Dark Pulse breedable without needing a forth gen poke who got it from tm?
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          Old April 20th, 2012 (11:22 PM). Edited April 20th, 2012 by Hikamaru.
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          Oh. And forgot to ask, Is lum viable on hitmontop's rest?

          *Edit: is Deino's egg move Dark Pulse breedable without needing a forth gen poke who got it from tm?
          No, you need a 4th Gen game.

          You will need a Ekans, Arbok, Gyarados or Seviper that is male, teach them the Dark Pulse TM in your 4th Gen game (Diamond/Pearl/Platinum/HeartGold/SoulSilver) then transfer them to your Black/White with the Poke Transfer. You will need a female Deino, Zweilous or Hydreigon to breed with your transferred Ekans/Arbok/Gyarados/Seviper.

          For Jellicent, you may need to spread the EVs a bit. PlatinumDude can tell you or just look on Smogon.



          Try one of these sets for Jellicent:

          Set #1 - Utility Counter
          Bold nature
          Leftovers
          Water Absorb
          EVs: 248 HP, 216 Defense, 44 Speed
          - Scald / Surf
          - Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
          - Recover
          - Taunt

          Set #2 - Special Wall
          Calm nature
          Leftovers
          Water Absorb
          EVs: 252 HP, 36 Defense, 220 Sp. Def
          - Scald
          - Recover
          - Toxic / Will-O-Wisp
          - Shadow Ball / Ice Beam

          Set #3 - Choice Specs
          Modest nature
          Choice Specs
          Water Absorb
          EVs: 172 HP, 252 Sp. Atk, 84 Speed
          - Water Spout
          - Shadow Ball
          - Surf / Hydro Pump / Scald
          - Ice Beam / Energy Ball


          Try them and see which one suits your playing style.
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          Old April 20th, 2012 (11:26 PM). Edited April 20th, 2012 by Joshua64.
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            Blech. Well, Guess im gonna find some friends.

            1st and 2nd jellicents are looking good.. Deciding..
            Oh- and friends as in d/p carriers xD

            One more before i sleep, Ferrothorn with sr and leech seed is possible
            ~gn and thanks. gonna ev train later.
             

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