Should Ash Ketchum & other characters in the Anime, grow older?

Pacmon · Dec 5, 2015

Pokemon has, and probably always will gear their target audience towards children. I can't really see this ever happening, nor would it add any value to the story line.

VisualJae · Dec 6, 2015

Digimon's characters did.

I don't see why the Pokemon Company won't decide to pull the trigger one day... or put together a budget to work on another series like they did for Pokemon Origins (despite that being an extended hype vehicle for Generation VI's launch).

But as always, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And in terms of marketability and filling a niche, the Pokemon anime currently does quite well in its own terms.

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 6, 2015

Considering the awful ratings, even in Japan (meaning the current state of the show disgusted even the target audience), Pokémon has got right now, they really should include aging. At least then, Ash's journey actually WOULD seem plausible. This isn't the Simpsons where they have a floating timeline and that there is no overarching goal for the series. This is about a journey of one kid to become a Pokémon Master. Even Dead or Alive has recently aged the characters by two years with Dead or Alive 5, and that had similar problems with the characters aging, both due to the various games and the Xtreme series. Not to mention Dragon Ball had no problems aging their characters and that had a similar goal to Pokémon, winning a martial arts tournament. Besides, realistically, there's no way Ash could have done all of this within a year, especially when he's already had a birthday (Pichu Bros. short), at least two on-screen Christmases in the main anime (more if one counts the Pikachu shorts), and even in Best Wishes' finale, it implied at least a year and a week had passed when Iris and Dent left on the Bullet Train to Goldenrod (bear in mind that the last we heard of the train, way back in the Johto Journeys, it explicitly stated that its construction would be completed "a year from next Tuesday.").

EDIT: To Famon, 1. I'm not fond of May's character at all. 2., her Japanese VA is more like Hillary Duff right now so she really isn't going to return to voice acting anytime soon, let alone resume voicework for May (at least Mayumi Iizuka is still looking for voice acting opportunities)., 3. More likely than not, May's already accomplished her goal by this point, so there' probably nothing else she can do (and besides, Kalos doesn't even HAVE Pokémon Contests, so what can she do anyways? I really don't want another Dawn situation in Kalos, especially considering Dawn literally had no business in Unova due to there NOT being any Pokémon contests). The only two likely candidates for a reappearance are Iris and Misty, the former due to status quo, and the latter due to the fact that Misty, unlike the others, was forced to postpone her goal due to her sisters' laziness. And quite frankly, I'd rather Misty actually PURSUE her goal rather than be forced to run a gym where she'd be as badly treated as a punching bag as Team Rocket currently is.

Famon · Dec 7, 2015

weedle_mchairybug said:
Considering the awful ratings, even in Japan (meaning the current state of the show disgusted even the target audience), Pokémon has got right now,

Actually Animes like Battle Spirit , Duel Master and Yugioh are still alive despite their low rating ! Pokemon might survive as a forgotten Anime like those.
Pokemon anime can simply change by letting Ash win a real League and then give him another quest that has--

--Competition
--Mystery
--Romance

I believe , The new series should took place after 2 year timeskip where Champion Ash build a group of trainer to fight a mysterious Nameless organization that help all other evil team with a mysterious goal with a mysterious unknown leader.

Also , Since when May confirmed to become a Top-Coordinator ? Just because Zoey won Sinnoh Grand festival doesn't mean May won a Grand Festival too.
It just another one of your wild assumption ! Just like how you believe Misty and their sister force into becoming Gym-Leader by their parents when Misty never mentioned her parents.
As for voice actor , It doesn't matter that the English Voice actor is unavailable because the anime is made by the japanese ! Plus , May's Voice actress was changed in the middle of Battle Frontier.
I believe it much better to bring back Contest because its still has lot more potencial left ! Plus , May is the Best eye-candy of Pokemon Anime.
Imagine new Contests that are divided in 4 theme with different set of judges such as Beauty , Cool , Smart and tough.
May is good at Toughness while Drew is better at Beauty ! May also encounter a Female version of Paul who specialize in Coolness.
Ash doesn't need a Hinata (Naruto) , The Anime also doesn't need a Nami (One Piece) ! Currently Ash & the series need Lucy (Fairy Tail) .
Ash = Natsu and May= Lucy .

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 7, 2015

Famon said:
Actually Animes like Battle Spirit , Duel Master and Yugioh are still alive despite their low rating ! Pokemon might survive as a forgotten Anime like those.
Pokemon anime can simply change by letting Ash win a real League and then give him another quest that has--

--Competition
--Mystery
--Romance

I believe , The new series should took place after 2 year timeskip where Champion Ash build a group of trainer to fight a mysterious Nameless organization that help all other evil team with a mysterious goal with a mysterious unknown leader.

Also , Since when May confirmed to become a Top-Coordinator ? Just because Zoey won Sinnoh Grand festival doesn't mean May won a Grand Festival too.
It just another one of your wild assumption ! Just like how you believe Misty and their sister force into becoming Gym-Leader by their parents when Misty never mentioned her parents.
As for voice actor , It doesn't matter that the English Voice actor is unavailable because the anime is made by the japanese ! Plus , May's Voice actress was changed in the middle of Battle Frontier.
I believe it much better to bring back Contest because its still has lot more potencial left ! Plus , May is the Best eye-candy of Pokemon Anime.
Imagine new Contests that are divided in 4 theme with different set of judges such as Beauty , Cool , Smart and tough.
May is good at Toughness while Drew is better at Beauty ! May also encounter a Female version of Paul who specialize in Coolness.
Ash doesn't need a Hinata (Naruto) , The Anime also doesn't need a Nami (One Piece) ! Currently Ash & the series need Lucy (Fairy Tail) .
Ash = Natsu and May= Lucy .

Use common sense: May had gotten Top 8 in Hoenn, later Top 4 in Kanto. And since right now it's in Kalos, she probably has already won the title of Top Coordinator (since she only has Sinnoh and Johto left to accomplish, as Unova and Kalos do NOT have Pokémon Contests. And considering she most likely has done Johto by the time Dawn already did her Grand Festival in Sinnoh, that means she would be doing Sinnoh around the time of Unova. Basic mathematics).

And it's not an assumption that Misty's parents basically forced Misty and her sisters into the position of Gym Leader. Pokémon the Animation makes explicit that that's exactly what happened. And for the record, Misty's parents received an indirect mention in the Anime via Episode 52 (who else could have given her sisters those dolls while Misty herself got the hand-me-downs?).

So far as May's voice actor, I WAS referring to her Japanese voice actor, actually. KAORI basically quit being a voice actor a long time ago and decided to become a pop singer, similar to Hillary Duff here in the United States. And actually, May being eye-candy is pretty much the reason I don't want her back. I do not like it when they sexualize ten year olds. In fact, most decent people don't (and Masamitsu Hidaka made very clear that this was the reason why girl protagonists in Pokémon since AG came around even EXIST). Heck, May doesn't even get any Sunday episodes, while Brock, Dawn, Iris, Dent, Misty, heck, even Tracey got those episodes.

Also, Pokémon doesn't just have lower ratings, it also has some bad sales in terms of merchandising and even its box office ratings were terrible (just look at the Diancie and Hoopa movie, and the latter as Dogasu put it was DESPITE doing everything they could to market the movie. Even Dogasu was cynical about the Pokémon movies continuing after this, and this is the same guy who had confidence that Pokémon would continue despite Yokai Watch quickly usurping it). Also, are you even sure they aren't just, you know, rerunning those shows? Anyways, the point still stands that Pokémon will need to age by this point, since it's making even LESS sense for Ash to be still 10 despite clear references to time passing by, even in BW, which was infamous for explicitly revealing within the show that Ash was still 10 (prior to BW, the only time it's implied that Ash was still 10 was via eye-catcher sequences between breaks).

Famon · Dec 7, 2015

Well , I would prefer if Ash turn 12 or 14 year old !
He becomes a trainer with overwhelming power and wisdom who lack commonsense and does bizarre thing .

weedle_mchairybug said:
Use common sense: May had gotten Top 8 in Hoenn, later Top 4 in Kanto. And since right now it's in Kalos, she probably has already won the title of Top Coordinator (since she only has Sinnoh and Johto left to accomplish, as Unova and Kalos do NOT have Pokémon Contests. And considering she most likely has done Johto by the time Dawn already did her Grand Festival in Sinnoh, that means she would be doing Sinnoh around the time of Unova. Basic mathematics).

And it's not an assumption that Misty's parents basically forced Misty and her sisters into the position of Gym Leader. Pokémon the Animation makes explicit that that's exactly what happened. And for the record, Misty's parents received an indirect mention in the Anime via Episode 52 (who else could have given her sisters those dolls while Misty herself got the hand-me-downs?).

So far as May's voice actor, I WAS referring to her Japanese voice actor, actually. KAORI basically quit being a voice actor a long time ago and decided to become a pop singer, similar to Hillary Duff here in the United States. And actually, May being eye-candy is pretty much the reason I don't want her back. I do not like it when they sexualize ten year olds. In fact, most decent people don't (and Masamitsu Hidaka made very clear that this was the reason why girl protagonists in Pokémon since AG came around even EXIST). Heck, May doesn't even get any Sunday episodes, while Brock, Dawn, Iris, Dent, Misty, heck, even Tracey got those episodes.

Also, Pokémon doesn't just have lower ratings, it also has some bad sales in terms of merchandising and even its box office ratings were terrible (just look at the Diancie and Hoopa movie, and the latter as Dogasu put it was DESPITE doing everything they could to market the movie. Even Dogasu was cynical about the Pokémon movies continuing after this, and this is the same guy who had confidence that Pokémon would continue despite Yokai Watch quickly usurping it). Also, are you even sure they aren't just, you know, rerunning those shows? Anyways, the point still stands that Pokémon will need to age by this point, since it's making even LESS sense for Ash to be still 10 despite clear references to time passing by, even in BW, which was infamous for explicitly revealing within the show that Ash was still 10 (prior to BW, the only time it's implied that Ash was still 10 was via eye-catcher sequences between breaks).

Why don't you use your commonsense ?
Drew was Top 02 in his first Grand-festival So he should have won Kento Grand-festival ! But he lost and reach Top 08 .
Ash was Top 04 of Sinnoh League but he reach only Top 08 in Unova League .
Even Jessie got higher ranking then Ursula even though Ursula was a better coordinator then Jessie and nearly beaten Dawn.
Plus , You can't tell where May is now with Mathematics ! Who know , May might be on Gen VII region Or the unknown region mentioned in XY Game.
Not to mention , Ash never knew that Kento & Jotho has contest ! So there is chance Unova has Contest but Ash never visit them since he no longer has a Coordinator with him.
There are unknown number of region in Pokeverse So May could be anywhere now !
Plus , There is a World Pokemon Contest where Marina is participating in DP!

Plus , There could be many other reason for Misty to get Broken plate ! After all , Did Misty ever said that Her sister got their Doll set from their Parents?
Also , None of those episode ever mention Misty's parents forcing them to do anything ! Its all just your wild assumption that you always try to shove on People.
You can't just accept that Misty is a Gym-Leader now because she wants too! She was somewhat depressed when her sisters came back.
Plus , Gyms are made by Gym-leader and then they ask for official permission! So , Even if Ceruleon Gym is shut down that would mean Misty losing their home . It would be just an Aquarium without people challenge them.
So Misty doesn't want to be Gymleader and her sister want to be Gymleader so why they trying to keep the gym alive. If it was to honor their parents then Misty's sister would be serious too.
Even Misty acknowledge her sister to be nice , They are not as some irresponsible people who drops all responsibility on misty to have their own happy life as you believe them to be.
Plus if PIA has no problem in Clemont leaving his gym on the hand of a Robot to stalk Ash then there wouldn't be any problem in Misty leaving the gym on her Sisters hand.

Also Battle Spirit and duel master has low merchandise sales , DVD sales and bad Box-office record! But they are still surviving .

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 7, 2015

Famon said:
Why don't you use your commonsense ?
Drew was Top 02 in his first Grand-festival So he should have won Kento Grand-festival ! But he lost and reach Top 08 .
Ash was Top 04 of Sinnoh League but he reach only Top 08 in Unova League .
Even Jessie got higher ranking then Ursula even though Ursula was a better coordinator then Jessie and nearly beaten Dawn.
Plus , You can't tell where May is now with Mathematics ! Who know , May might be on Gen VII region Or the unknown region mentioned in XY Game.
Not to mention , Ash never knew that Kento & Jotho has contest ! So there is chance Unova has Contest but Ash never visit them since he no longer has a Coordinator with him.
There are unknown number of region in Pokeverse So May could be anywhere now !
Plus , There is a World Pokemon Contest where Marina is participating in DP!

First of all, there are only four regions confirmed to have Pokémon Contests. Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. Unova and Kalos obviously didn't have contests (if they did, Iris and Serena, respectively, would have been coordinators, NOT an aspiring Dragon Pokémon Master and a Performer), and we can't even be sure they'll do a Generation VII in the games, let alone the anime (if they were planning a Generation VII, they would have announced it by now. Heck, they would have announced Z-version by now, not to mention released it, precisely because we're very close to the end of Kalos, just one more gym badge and then the Kalos league. We don't even have an in-game event they can use for the filler arc, unlike with AG, which at least used Battle Frontier as a filler arc to promote both FRLG and Emerald.). And I should remind you that it's unlikely they can rechallenge Grand Festivals they've already participated in (we know Ash definitely can't rechallenge leagues he already did. Otherwise, Ash would have done so already, ESPECIALLY during the Battle Frontier arc since he had the perfect opportunity to rechallenge the league, and it's even implied when he fought Agatha that he can use the badges again to enter the league if he wished.).

Plus , There could be many other reason for Misty to get Broken plate ! After all , Did Misty ever said that Her sister got their Doll set from their Parents?
Also , None of those episode ever mention Misty's parents forcing them to do anything ! Its all just your wild assumption that you always try to shove on People.

First of all, there AREN'T many other reasons for Misty to get broken dolls. It's clear she and her sisters were not raised in an orphanage, and it's also pretty clear that they had to get the dolls from someone else, the ones raising them, since the flashback made it pretty obvious they were extremely little kids at the time. It's unfeasible for the characters to get them by themselves.

Second of all, no, actually, it's not an assumption of mine that Misty's parents abandoned them and thus forced them to run the gym. Pokémon the Animation, a novelization of the anime written by the same guy who wrote the first five seasons, made explicit that this was indeed the case. I've even got the link to prove it: http://cindysuke.tumblr.com/post/34817930237/the-facts-about-pokemon-world-lol (Did you know that part of the reason why Flint left the family, and also why Lola left the family, was because of the Gym's rather hellish regulations? Or that Brock's siblings are closer to half-siblings? That's what the book revealed. Also, Ash's dad and grandpa are deadbeats, and Ash actually was born out of wedlock according to this book). Also, someone had an interview with one of the people behind the Anime, and they revealed that Misty's parents were indeed alive and had abandoned them. I'll have to dig out the link, but I do know it was a Tumblr post and it was either on AllThingsMisty or Pokeshipping (Tumblr sites).

You can't just accept that Misty is a Gym-Leader now because she wants too! She was somewhat depressed when her sisters came back.

Actually, no, she didn't want it. Otherwise, she would have been absolutely thrilled at running the gym (heck, she wouldn't even have any reason to have left the Gym in the first place if that was her lifelong goal). In other words, she would have acted EXACTLY like May when she left for contests in Johto at the ending of AG (ie, basically run off while barely even give a goodbye, certainly not a heartfelt one, something even several of May's fans like Cybercubed complained was a rushed goodbye for her). Not to mention, do you REALLY think Misty would have delayed herself from returning from Pallet Town as long as she did in the beginning Battle Frontier if she actually WANTED to be Gym Leader? She wouldn't have.

Also, if you're referring to the ending of Date with Delcatty, the ONLY reason she was depressed when her sisters came back was because she realized they were unreliable and thus she had to resume gym leading duties for the time being (she even explicitly stated this in the Japanese version). Not to mention she was shown to be depressed constantly in the Hosos, INCLUDING the one AFTER Date with Delcatty, where she was definitely back to being gym leader.

Plus , Gyms are made by Gym-leader and then they ask for official permission! So , Even if Ceruleon Gym is shut down that would mean Misty losing their home . It would be just an Aquarium without people challenge them.

No, it's NOT their home. Need I remind you that Brock and his family don't even LIVE at the gym? Misty's house is most likely at a different location from the Gym? Besides, last I checked, Giovanni didn't become homeless after the events of The Battle of the Badge.

So Misty doesn't want to be Gymleader and her sister want to be Gymleader so why they trying to keep the gym alive. If it was to honor their parents then Misty's sister would be serious too.
Even Misty acknowledge her sister to be nice , They are not as some irresponsible people who drops all responsibility on misty to have their own happy life as you believe them to be.
Plus if PIA has no problem in Clemont leaving his gym on the hand of a Robot to stalk Ash then there wouldn't be any problem in Misty leaving the gym on her Sisters hand.

They WERE proven to be irresponsible, though: Need I remind you that they were the same people who used the gym as a glorified theater, often gave away badges without a fight (which was considered a very bad thing for a Gym Leader to do, something even Paul was disgusted with when Volkner did exactly that), didn't even attempt to restock their supply of gym badges in The Blue Badge of Courage, and nearly had it shut down due to having left it unoccupied? Sure, they're not nearly as bad as Flint, Lola, and even Forrest, who probably SHOULD have had Pewter Gym shut down by the PIA due to failing at least three of the three "u"'s (Unsafe and Uncool. The former due to nearly drowning Rock Pokémon in the Gym due to stupidly implementing a swimming pool in the training holes, and the latter due to the horrid decorations Lola put up, twice, the latter via hired help and looked even worse). To be honest, if anyone should have left after Johto for gym-related problems, it should have been Brock, since Pewter's situation was FAR worse than Cerulean Gym, and really shows just how much of a hypocrite Brock is regarding being selfless.

Also Battle Spirit and duel master has low merchandise sales , DVD sales and bad Box-office record! But they are still surviving .

Tell that to the Love Hina anime. It actually got cancelled due to very bad ratings and poor merchandising (heck, it didn't even have box office numbers because it didn't even get a movie unless you count the OVA Love Hina Again).

The only thing I will agree with you on is that Ash definitely needs to age, especially when the anime itself, even in BW, already hinted at time passing by.

EDIT: Okay, found it. http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f10/ag-138-purins-song-papas-song-spoilers-9114/index3.html Unfortunately, since Bulbagarden moved, I can't give you a direct link to its new location. I can quote what was on it, though:

"One of the writers was at Sakura Con 2002. I interviewed him. Unfortunately, I lack any tape since I didn't know in advance that I *could* interview him so thereby didn't bring any tape or anything. It was horribly unorganized and basically just a few random questions, most of them among those lines, and probably can't even be called a real interview. I asked if Misty's parents are alive and he said yes, we just don't see them."

Also:
*http://pokeshipping.tumblr.com/post/88884738162/actually-i-lied-the-authors-stance-on-mistys
*http://allthingsmisty.tumblr.com/post/88884999037/pokeshipping-actually-i-lied-the-authors

Famon · Dec 8, 2015

weedle_mchairybug said:
First of all, there are only four regions confirmed to have Pokémon Contests. Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. Unova and Kalos obviously didn't have contests (if they did, Iris and Serena, respectively, would have been coordinators, NOT an aspiring Dragon Pokémon Master and a Performer), and we can't even be sure they'll do a Generation VII in the games, let alone the anime (if they were planning a Generation VII, they would have announced it by now. Heck, they would have announced Z-version by now, not to mention released it, precisely because we're very close to the end of Kalos, just one more gym badge and then the Kalos league. We don't even have an in-game event they can use for the filler arc, unlike with AG, which at least used Battle Frontier as a filler arc to promote both FRLG and Emerald.). And I should remind you that it's unlikely they can rechallenge Grand Festivals they've already participated in (we know Ash definitely can't rechallenge leagues he already did. Otherwise, Ash would have done so already, ESPECIALLY during the Battle Frontier arc since he had the perfect opportunity to rechallenge the league, and it's even implied when he fought Agatha that he can use the badges again to enter the league if he wished.).

Why does Iris has to be Coordinator ? Is there any rule that state any girl that travel with Ash has to a Coordinator ?
Iris is suppose to be aspiring Dragon trainer ! Its in her Game proflie since she is a Dragon Gym-Leader and future champion of Unova .
Also , It might not occur to you that Writer wanted to do something different with Serena rather then making her coordinator like all other girl.
That why they came up with something similar to Contest minus the battling !
Plus , May might be the only main Coordinator since Dawn showing vibe of quitting Contest to pursue Pokemon Style just like Brock did.
So , There still chance that Unova might had Contest but Ash never visited them ! Who know , Lisia might appear in Kalos to promote Contest.
Also , Just because the Anime is losing popular doesn't mean that game is unpopular as well ! Pokemon game is still popular enough to go another decade .
Just because Pokemon Z isn't announced doesn't mean there will not be a third version ! Zygarde 100% form profs there going to be An third version.
Also , Pokemon XY mention another region that has unknown savior protecting them and its head look nothing like Zygarde or Volcanion.
There will be Gen VII and many other gen in future ! May could probably be in those region . Plus Solidad also gone to Jotho to participate in Jotho Contest despite her victory in Kento Grand Festival.

Second of all, no, actually, it's not an assumption of mine that Misty's parents abandoned them and thus forced them to run the gym. Pokémon the Animation, a novelization of the anime written by the same guy who wrote the first five seasons, made explicit that this was indeed the case. I've even got the link to prove it: http://cindysuke.tumblr.com/post/34817930237/the-facts-about-pokemon-world-lol (Did you know that part of the reason why Flint left the family, and also why Lola left the family, was because of the Gym's rather hellish regulations? Or that Brock's siblings are closer to half-siblings? That's what the book revealed. Also, Ash's dad and grandpa are deadbeats, and Ash actually was born out of wedlock according to this book). Also, someone had an interview with one of the people behind the Anime, and they revealed that Misty's parents were indeed alive and had abandoned them. I'll have to dig out the link, but I do know it was a Tumblr post and it was either on AllThingsMisty or Pokeshipping (Tumblr sites).

You do know that Takeshi Shodu's novel isn't considered to be Canon ! Most fact in the Novel aren't suitable for Kids.
For example : Ash was born from One-night stand ! Both Ash father & Grandfather were failures who were too embarrass to return home. It goes against Director who claim Ash's Grandfather to be a great Pokemon master.

.First of all, there AREN'T many other reasons for Misty to get broken dolls. It's clear she and her sisters were not raised in an orphanage, and it's also pretty clear that they had to get the dolls from someone else, the ones raising them, since the flashback made it pretty obvious they were extremely little kids at the time. It's unfeasible for the characters to get them by themselves.

Only Misty was extremely Young , Her sisters were old enough to buy/win their own princess Doll set.

Actually, no, she didn't want it. Otherwise, she would have been absolutely thrilled at running the gym (heck, she wouldn't even have any reason to have left the Gym in the first place if that was her lifelong goal). In other words, she would have acted EXACTLY like May when she left for contests in Johto at the ending of AG (ie, basically run off while barely even give a goodbye, certainly not a heartfelt one, something even several of May's fans like Cybercubed complained was a rushed goodbye for her). Not to mention, do you REALLY think Misty would have delayed herself from returning from Pallet Town as long as she did in the beginning Battle Frontier if she actually WANTED to be Gym Leader? She wouldn't have.

Also, if you're referring to the ending of Date with Delcatty, the ONLY reason she was depressed when her sisters came back was because she realized they were unreliable and thus she had to resume gym leading duties for the time being (she even explicitly stated this in the Japanese version). Not to mention she was shown to be depressed constantly in the Hosos, INCLUDING the one AFTER Date with Delcatty, where she was definitely back to being gym leader.

I watched the episode too and Misty was talking about her sisters are back so she don't has to be a gymleader anymore so she was wondering what she should do !
Also , She was depress about Ash being fine with her leaving ! She cheer up as soon as she realize Ash is just as depress as she is .
As far as I seen , Misty became a Gym-leader because she want too .
Misty's sister aren't that ill-minded that they would leave all the responsibility on her sister head and make her sacrifice her dream just so they can have a happy life.

They WERE proven to be irresponsible, though: Need I remind you that they were the same people who used the gym as a glorified theater, often gave away badges without a fight (which was considered a very bad thing for a Gym Leader to do, something even Paul was disgusted with when Volkner did exactly that), didn't even attempt to restock their supply of gym badges in The Blue Badge of Courage, and nearly had it shut down due to having left it unoccupied? Sure, they're not nearly as bad as Flint, Lola, and even Forrest, who probably SHOULD have had Pewter Gym shut down by the PIA due to failing at least three of the three "u"'s (Unsafe and Uncool. The former due to nearly drowning Rock Pokémon in the Gym due to stupidly implementing a swimming pool in the training holes, and the latter due to the horrid decorations Lola put up, twice, the latter via hired help and looked even worse). To be honest, if anyone should have left after Johto for gym-related problems, it should have been Brock, since Pewter's situation was FAR worse than Cerulean Gym, and really shows just how much of a hypocrite Brock is regarding being selfless.

Misty's sisters are irresponsible Gym-leader but they are not irresponsible Sister ! Misty also agree how far her sister will go for her .

No, it's NOT their home. Need I remind you that Brock and his family don't even LIVE at the gym? Misty's house is most likely at a different location from the Gym? Besides, last I checked, Giovanni didn't become homeless after the events of The Battle of the Badge.

So you just going to ignore these guy who made his own gym and want to get official confirmation from the League.
Also , Misty does leave in her Gym !
Pewter Gym is right behind Brocks House! The gym is back of their house.

Tell that to the Love Hina anime. It actually got cancelled due to very bad ratings and poor merchandising (heck, it didn't even have box office numbers because it didn't even get a movie unless you count the OVA Love Hina Again).

Yet Yugioh is still running ! Pokemon's merchandise sales is still better then Yugioh , Battle Spirit and Beyblade.

The only thing I will agree with you on is that Ash definitely needs to age, especially when the anime itself, even in BW, already hinted at time passing by.

Doreamon , Detective Conan and Crayon Shinchan also hinted at time passing by but the character doesn't age .

Also:
*http://pokeshipping.tumblr.com/post/88884738162/actually-i-lied-the-authors-stance-on-mistys
*http://allthingsmisty.tumblr.com/post/88884999037/pokeshipping-actually-i-lied-the-authors

That mean Misty still has less reason to be Gym-leader! She can just ask her parents to come back from their eternal Honeymoon to deal with the Gym .

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 8, 2015

Famon said:
Why does Iris has to be Coordinator ? Is there any rule that state any girl that travel with Ash has to a Coordinator ?

No, but it does still stand that if they wanted Contests to be in the region, they would have made sure to have at least one character act as Coordinator.

Iris is suppose to be aspiring Dragon trainer ! Its in her Game proflie since she is a Dragon Gym-Leader and future champion of Unova .

Yeah, and Dawn was merely a lab assistant to Professor Rowan (rival), and May is basically just the daughter of either Gym Leader Norman or Professor Birch (depending on whether she's the player character or rival, respectively), and if acting as player characters were more likely to act as league challengers than coordinators, yet that never stopped the writers from doing that.

Also , It might not occur to you that Writer wanted to do something different with Serena rather then making her coordinator like all other girl.

If they really wanted to make her different than making her a coordinator, they'd have her challenge leagues. Besides, Iris and Misty never were Coordinators, either.

That why they came up with something similar to Contest minus the battling !

Last I checked, Performers basically did musical numbers. It's NOT even close to similar at all.

Plus , May might be the only main Coordinator since Dawn showing vibe of quitting Contest to pursue Pokemon Style just like Brock did.

You sure about that? I know her Sunday episode indicated she went to Hoenn to pursue Pokémon contests. Besides, didn't Brock want to become a Doctor instead of doing Pokémon Style?

So , There still chance that Unova might had Contest but Ash never visited them ! Who know , Lisia might appear in Kalos to promote Contest.

If they wanted Unova to have contests, they would have just made an off-hand remark that, yes, Unova does have contests. They didn't. I know I would have had them make an off-hand remark about there being contests in the region just to ensure the audience knew that, yes, they exist.

Also , Just because the Anime is losing popular doesn't mean that game is unpopular as well ! Pokemon game is still popular enough to go another decade .

Yes, except we're talking about the ANIME, NOT the games (besides, if they wanted to do a Generation VII, don't you think they would have... oh, I don't know, ANNOUNCED it by now especially when we're literally nearing the end of Kalos' rope?).

Just because Pokemon Z isn't announced doesn't mean there will not be a third version ! Zygarde 100% form profs there going to be An third version.

No, it's not "proof." The Anime has made up Pokémon before (Venustoise, anyone?).

Also , Pokemon XY mention another region that has unknown savior protecting them and its head look nothing like Zygarde or Volcanion.

Won't comment on that since I haven't played the game. However, are you sure that isn't another form of Zygarde or Volcanion? Besides, they also may just be making up things now. Again, the games would have actually ANNOUNCED the new entries, whether it be third version or Generation VII if they were intending to advertise them. Even Ho-Oh, the first Gen II Pokémon unveiled, had partially been announced after Pokémon 2 was in the works.

There will be Gen VII and many other gen in future ! May could probably be in those region . Plus Solidad also gone to Jotho to participate in Jotho Contest despite her victory in Kento Grand Festival.

True, but then again, the writers also said that if Ash wins a league, his journey's over, so there's that to consider.

You do know that Takeshi Shodu's novel isn't considered to be Canon ! Most fact in the Novel aren't suitable for Kids.

Not very many things in the early anime were exactly child-friendly either. For example, Brock's backstory of his parents (or at least his dad, depending on the version) abandoning him, or Beauty and the Beach, or the elements of Pokémon the First Movie, heck, the episode where Pokémon were effectively turned into Shadow Pokémon by Team Rocket. And have you forgotten that Takeshi Shudo is the guy who WROTE the Anime in the first place? It's pretty obvious its canon when it's written by the same guy.

For example : Ash was born from One-night stand ! Both Ash father & Grandfather were failures who were too embarrass to return home. It goes against Director who claim Ash's Grandfather to be a great Pokemon master.

You mean the same director who didn't even know about Arceus's existence despite the game data being found as well as Famitsu and CoroCoro actually revealing his existence at the time of that interview? The same guy who also admitted they won't return to the GS ball despite it being left unanswered? The same guy who implied that girls since May only existed as sexual eyecandy in a manner that was indicative of child pornography? The same guy who basically said that Pokémon will still continue despite the ratings being terrible? The same guy who basically said Ash's old Pokémon would never return?

Only Misty was extremely Young , Her sisters were old enough to buy/win their own princess Doll set.

I saw the flashback, and Daisy, Lily, and Violet definitely didn't even look like Misty's current age (in fact, they're barely even taller than her there).

I watched the episode too and Misty was talking about her sisters are back so she don't has to be a gymleader anymore so she was wondering what she should do !

Dub or Japanese version? Because the message was different depending on the version seen. In the dub, Misty was wondering what she should do. In the Japanese version, she also commented that her sisters were unreliable.

Also , She was depress about Ash being fine with her leaving ! She cheer up as soon as she realize Ash is just as depress as she is .

She still didn't seem all that thrilled when she first learned of the news about the gym, even BEFORE then.

As far as I seen , Misty became a Gym-leader because she want too .

If she really wanted to be a Gym Leader, she wouldn't have run away from Cerulean City in the first place. Not to mention she wouldn't have delayed returning as long as she could in the beginning of Battle Frontier.

Misty's sister aren't that ill-minded that they would leave all the responsibility on her sister head and make her sacrifice her dream just so they can have a happy life.

So why threaten her with giving away badges and effectively force her to return in Battle Frontier?

Misty's sisters are irresponsible Gym-leader but they are not irresponsible Sister ! Misty also agree how far her sister will go for her .

Again, Battle Frontier indicates far differently, especially her final appearance in that season and technically the entire series.

So you just going to ignore these guy who made his own gym and want to get official confirmation from the League.

Still doesn't mean he literally lives at the gym as if it were his own house, though.

Also , Misty does leave in her Gym !
Pewter Gym is right behind Brocks House! The gym is back of their house.

It's NEXT to their gym, however, but it's NOT the same as their house.

Yet Yugioh is still running ! Pokemon's merchandise sales is still better then Yugioh , Battle Spirit and Beyblade.

Really? Because from what people are talking, including that Irregular Hunter Z guy, the merchandising was actually horrible.

Doreamon , Detective Conan and Crayon Shinchan also hinted at time passing by but the character doesn't age .

How can time pass and have a person not age? That's impossible. The only way that would work is if the episodes don't have any continuity with each other (like most Looney Tunes shorts) or otherwise it exists in a floating timeline with negative continuity (like The Simpsons).

That mean Misty still has less reason to be Gym-leader! She can just ask her parents to come back from their eternal Honeymoon to deal with the Gym .

Has it ever occurred to you that there may not actually BE any way to contact her parents? If they ran away from home and abandoned the children, it's unlikely they'd leave any information. Heck, Brock didn't even KNOW Flint was still nearby, despite his manning a rock sales-pitch.

Famon · Dec 9, 2015

weedle_mchairybug said:
No, but it does still stand that if they wanted Contests to be in the region, they would have made sure to have at least one character act as Coordinator.

Oh please , Do you even Knew Jotho had a contest ? Writer didn't mentioned contest because they no longer needed a Coordinator.
Plus , Why does they need one character to be Coordinator ? Contest only existed for May & Dawn , They didn't existed for Contest.

Yeah, and Dawn was merely a lab assistant to Professor Rowan (rival), and May is basically just the daughter of either Gym Leader Norman or Professor Birch (depending on whether she's the player character or rival, respectively), and if acting as player characters were more likely to act as league challengers than coordinators, yet that never stopped the writers from doing that.

Dawn and May a Playable Character , They are not NPC !

If they really wanted to make her different than making her a coordinator, they'd have her challenge leagues. Besides, Iris and Misty never were Coordinators, either.

Why will writer have Serena challenge the league ? That's Ash's goal !
Writer wanted something completely new .

Last I checked, Performers basically did musical numbers. It's NOT even close to similar at all.

It is based on Contest in the game .

You sure about that? I know her Sunday episode indicated she went to Hoenn to pursue Pokémon contests. Besides, didn't Brock want to become a Doctor instead of doing Pokémon Style?

Then She suddenly come back for "Junior Cup" even though it doesn't have anything to do with Contest.
Is as if she only came to see Ash !
Then she leave for Jotho to compete in Wallace Cup.
Also , She didn't shown any new ribbon that she won in Hoenn ! May already had 3 ribbon when she reappear in Sinnoh.
Plus , Contest has held in limited number for a year so she wasted time in Junior Cup while most Contest were probably over in Hoenn.
Just like May had only one Contest left for enter Grand-festival and she lose it then she would lose her chance to end Grand-festival .

If they wanted Unova to have contests, they would have just made an off-hand remark that, yes, Unova does have contests. They didn't. I know I would have had them make an off-hand remark about there being contests in the region just to ensure the audience knew that, yes, they exist.

Kento & Jotho had contest but did writer made remark to that when Ash traveled Kento & Jotho !
For Ash , Contest was something new that he saw in Hoenn ! He never talk about seeing contest in Kento or Jotho before Hoenn.
Unova had a Dragon trainer as the new girl so Writer didn't need make any remark of Contest's existence.

Yes, except we're talking about the ANIME, NOT the games (besides, if they wanted to do a Generation VII, don't you think they would have... oh, I don't know, ANNOUNCED it by now especially when we're literally nearing the end of Kalos' rope?).

You are saying that there won't be any new region and Kalos is the final region of Pokemon ! That basically saying Pokemon will not have any new main game .

True, but then again, the writers also said that if Ash wins a league, his journey's over, so there's that to consider.

Well , If this over then over ! How long Ash going to be a protagonist ? If The Producer doesn't want to change Ash then they should change their mind and create more challenge for Ash even after he wins the League.

No, it's not "proof." The Anime has made up Pokémon before (Venustoise, anyone?).

Venustoise is not an official pokemon ! Zygarde 100% is an official pokemon .

Won't comment on that since I haven't played the game. However, are you sure that isn't another form of Zygarde or Volcanion? Besides, they also may just be making up things now. Again, the games would have actually ANNOUNCED the new entries, whether it be third version or Generation VII if they were intending to advertise them. Even Ho-Oh, the first Gen II Pokémon unveiled, had partially been announced after Pokémon 2 was in the works.

Spoiler:

Just because Pokemon Z haven't been announce doesn't mean it will not come out !
Chance are , Game-freak planning to release it Next year !
Or , The upcoming Big announcement in Coro Coro might be Pokemon Z .

Not very many things in the early anime were exactly child-friendly either. For example, Brock's backstory of his parents (or at least his dad, depending on the version) abandoning him, or Beauty and the Beach, or the elements of Pokémon the First Movie, heck, the episode where Pokémon were effectively turned into Shadow Pokémon by Team Rocket. And have you forgotten that Takeshi Shudo is the guy who WROTE the Anime in the first place? It's pretty obvious its canon when it's written by the same guy.

Takeshi Shudo was just the head writer of Pokemon ! He doesn't own Pokemon world.

You mean the same director who didn't even know about Arceus's existence despite the game data being found as well as Famitsu and CoroCoro actually revealing his existence at the time of that interview? The same guy who also admitted they won't return to the GS ball despite it being left unanswered? The same guy who implied that girls since May only existed as sexual eyecandy in a manner that was indicative of child pornography? The same guy who basically said that Pokémon will still continue despite the ratings being terrible? The same guy who basically said Ash's old Pokémon would never return?

May be , It haven't occur to you that the Novel is simply based on Takeshi Shodu own imagination and its not canon to Anime.
The Anime world is made by the Storyboard , Director and Producer combined !

I saw the flashback, and Daisy, Lily, and Violet definitely didn't even look like Misty's current age (in fact, they're barely even taller than her there).

Are you sure ? May be , You didn't notice because they were sitting on the floor Because they look just as old as Ash & May .

Dub or Japanese version? Because the message was different depending on the version seen. In the dub, Misty was wondering what she should do. In the Japanese version, she also commented that her sisters were unreliable.

She always comment about her sister being unreliable But she still left them to travel .

She still didn't seem all that thrilled when she first learned of the news about the gym, even BEFORE then.

She wasn't thrill about leaving Ash.

If she really wanted to be a Gym Leader, she wouldn't have run away from Cerulean City in the first place. Not to mention she wouldn't have delayed returning as long as she could in the beginning of Battle Frontier.

So why threaten her with giving away badges and effectively force her to return in Battle Frontier?

They didn't threaten her , She the only one who want to run a Gym .
Nobody forcing Misty to run a Gym , She can shut it down if nether her or her sister want to be a gymleader.
While her sister prefer to shut down the gym and turn it into aquarium for Water belle.

Still doesn't mean he literally lives at the gym as if it were his own house, though.

You obviously don't live in your bathroom or Toilet.
Doesn't it mean you don't have bathroom or Toilet in you house ?

Again, Battle Frontier indicates far differently, especially her final appearance in that season and technically the entire series.

Misty herself admitted that her sisters are reliable when it come to her happiness in Battle Frontier .

It's NEXT to their gym, however, but it's NOT the same as their house.

Its part of their house !

Really? Because from what people are talking, including that Irregular Hunter Z guy, the merchandising was actually horrible.

But it still better then Battle spirit !

How can time pass and have a person not age? That's impossible. The only way that would work is if the episodes don't have any continuity with each other (like most Looney Tunes shorts) or otherwise it exists in a floating timeline with negative continuity (like The Simpsons).

HELLO , THIS IS ANIME AND ANIMES ARE FULL WITH NONSENSE !
Ash himself said that Grandfestival take place once a year which mean 2 year passed in AG Series.
Yet , Ash is reveal to be 10 in BW series.
Also , Do you know how many Christmas , New Year and Valentine Day occur in Detective Conan ? But Ran is still 16 year old high school 1st year .

Has it ever occurred to you that there may not actually BE any way to contact her parents? If they ran away from home and abandoned the children, it's unlikely they'd leave any information. Heck, Brock didn't even KNOW Flint was still nearby, despite his manning a rock sales-pitch.

have it occur to you that if Misty's parent are such bad people then Misty & her sisters has zero reason to run a gym .
There no need to listen to those parent who abandoned their children !
Misty could just shut down the gym since nether she or her sister wants to be Gym-leader.

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 9, 2015

Famon said:
Oh please , Do you even Knew Jotho had a contest ? Writer didn't mentioned contest because they no longer needed a Coordinator.
Plus , Why does they need one character to be Coordinator ? Contest only existed for May & Dawn , They didn't existed for Contest.

Yes, we know, because Drew made that explicit in the final episodes of AG. And please don't say it was no longer needed. They mentioned plenty of things despite their not even being needed, like Ash's old friends. And technically, contests weren't even needed in Battle Frontier since it took place in Kanto, when in FRLG, they weren't even contests.

Dawn and May a Playable Character , They are not NPC !

So was Serena, yet that never stopped her from NOT becoming a Coordinator.

Why will writer have Serena challenge the league ? That's Ash's goal !
Writer wanted something completely new .

Need I remind you that the writers actually intended to have May be a gym battler alongside Ash before having her go the Contest route? Besides, that never stopped Dawn from reusing May's goal.

It is based on Contest in the game .

No it's not. There were PLENTY of differences between them, especially the bit about NOT battling or using any stylish moves.

Then She suddenly come back for "Junior Cup" even though it doesn't have anything to do with Contest.
Is as if she only came to see Ash !
Then she leave for Jotho to compete in Wallace Cup.
Also , She didn't shown any new ribbon that she won in Hoenn ! May already had 3 ribbon when she reappear in Sinnoh.
Plus , Contest has held in limited number for a year so she wasted time in Junior Cup while most Contest were probably over in Hoenn.
Just like May had only one Contest left for enter Grand-festival and she lose it then she would lose her chance to end Grand-festival .

I didn't like that they brought Dawn back due to having absolutely NO business in Unova. However, I really wouldn't say she didn't participate in Hoenn or that she didn't complete it. Need I remind you that her special had her going to Hoenn? Besides, Ash doesn't even show his prior badges to May or Dawn, so are we to assume that he never participated in Kanto, Johto, or even Hoenn just because of that?

Kento & Jotho had contest but did writer made remark to that when Ash traveled Kento & Jotho !
For Ash , Contest was something new that he saw in Hoenn ! He never talk about seeing contest in Kento or Jotho before Hoenn.

First of all, they weren't even an idea for the games, let alone the anime, at the time Ash did those regions, so that's not a good reason. Not to mention that Ash has been portrayed as pretty dense anyways. I might as well remind you that, technically, there were contests in Kanto and Johto during Ash's time there, the Breeder contest Brock participated in, and the Princess Festival Contest Misty participated in (the latter's description even matched that of Pokémon Contests to a T, where it requires not only a beauty pageant, but fighting to determine who is the strongest trainer).

Unova had a Dragon trainer as the new girl so Writer didn't need make any remark of Contest's existence.

Ash referenced his friends in BW's late stages, even when they weren't needed.

You are saying that there won't be any new region and Kalos is the final region of Pokemon ! That basically saying Pokemon will not have any new main game .

I never said that there would not be any new games, I said that Kalos is going to be the final region of the anime. The games will probably continue, but the anime probably won't (it won't be the first time games outlived extension media even in Japan: Battle Network and Star Force outlived their respective animes, and Mario, Zelda, Sonic, and Mega Man well outlived their TV shows (Mario probably took the longest for its shows to be cancelled altogether).

Well , If this over then over ! How long Ash going to be a protagonist ? If The Producer doesn't want to change Ash then they should change their mind and create more challenge for Ash even after he wins the League.

He has until the Kalos league by my estimates, and that's coming up pretty quick (we've got the eighth badge coming up, and they've even advertised the fight between Ash and the eighth gym leader).

Venustoise is not an official pokemon ! Zygarde 100% is an official pokemon .

It appeared in the anime, so it's official enough.

Spoiler:

Okay, fine, there are hints, but that doesn't matter for the anime.

Just because Pokemon Z haven't been announce doesn't mean it will not come out !
Chance are , Game-freak planning to release it Next year !
Or , The upcoming Big announcement in Coro Coro might be Pokemon Z .

If they wanted to announce Pokémon Z, they would have done it at the premiere of Pokémon XY&Z, or heck, even Tokyo Game Show, not wait until possibly December CoroCoro at the earliest. Besides, that STILL isn't a hint at Generation VII, especially for the anime.

Takeshi Shudo was just the head writer of Pokemon ! He doesn't own Pokemon world.

Technically, neither does Masamitsu Hidaka, it's Satoshi Tajiri who actually owns it.

May be , It haven't occur to you that the Novel is simply based on Takeshi Shodu own imagination and its not canon to Anime.
The Anime world is made by the Storyboard , Director and Producer combined !

In case you've forgotten, it was the writers who actually make the Pokémon World. Not to mention he played a role in removing Misty, and NOT just being ordered to do so.

Are you sure ? May be , You didn't notice because they were sitting on the floor Because they look just as old as Ash & May .

I saw it, and they don't even LOOK as tall as Ash and May even while sitting down. They looked just barely over Misty's height.

She always comment about her sister being unreliable But she still left them to travel .

Yeah, and she left to prove to them that she was capable of being a trainer. And considering she herself was a Gym Leader as she explicitly told Ash in Episode 7, it's pretty clear she did have authority at the gym. And let's face it, if she truly liked running the gym, she wouldn't have even left in the first place.

She wasn't thrill about leaving Ash.

This was BEFORE they mentioned the fixed bike and Ash obliviously dismissing her.

They didn't threaten her , She the only one who want to run a Gym .
Nobody forcing Misty to run a Gym , She can shut it down if nether her or her sister want to be a gymleader.

Ah, first of all, yes, they DID threaten her, or have you completely missed A Real Cleffa Hanger as well as The Right Place and the Right Mime (especially the former), where they basically threatened that if Misty doesn't return to the gym, they'll hand out badges whether she wants it or not? Second of all, yes, she was forced to run the gym (her sisters left for a three month cruise, forcing Misty to run it until they get back).

While her sister prefer to shut down the gym and turn it into aquarium for Water belle.

Apparently, you've forgotten that they actually DID run the gym in Misty's absence, and they didn't shut down the gym at all (in fact, the fact that it was a target for PIA inspections suggests it STILL was running). If they really preferred to shut down the gym, why didn't they do it beforehand? If you're going to argue that no one forced Misty to become a Gym Leader (which was patently false), you also have to argue that they could have easily shut down the gym if they wished.

You obviously don't live in your bathroom or Toilet.
Doesn't it mean you don't have bathroom or Toilet in you house ?

That's not even close to the same thing.

Misty herself admitted that her sisters are reliable when it come to her happiness in Battle Frontier .

If they were reliable to her happiness, they wouldn't have spent the entire episode of A Real Cleffa-hanger threatening her to return. Not to mention if she really enjoyed running the gym, she wouldn't have delayed returning.

Its part of their house !

No it's not. We don't even see the trademark gray roof of the gym in Showdown at Pewter City when we got a brief glimpse of Brock's house.

have it occur to you that if Misty's parent are such bad people then Misty & her sisters has zero reason to run a gym .
There no need to listen to those parent who abandoned their children !
Misty could just shut down the gym since nether she or her sister wants to be Gym-leader.

Brock had zero reason to run the gym, especially when he didn't exactly have much good thoughts about his parents for up and out abandoning them, yet he did. And if he could do that, so could Misty and her sisters.

DBZ fan · Dec 9, 2015

There seem to be some pretty heated debate about this subject, so might as well leave my 2 cents about this:

To Famon:
Misty didn't willingly choosed to be gym leader "making her feel fulfilled" as person. That simply isn't true.
Whole reason why Misty even returned to Cerulean gym at end of Johto was because of sisters incompetence leaving gym in danger of being shut down.

Even when they returned in chronicles they still run away from obligations and gym duties being lazy and inconsiderate. With Misty expressing sadness and disappointment at her older sisters laziness and care free attitude revealing how in reality she isnt satisfied with being just gym leader having higher ambitions and dreams to achieve. Still having passion and desire to become worldwide renowned water trainer achieving her dream of becoming water pokemon master and member of E4.

Reason behind Misty staying wasn't because of changing her goal deciding she wants to be gym leader for rest of her life. But out of necessity knowing she has no choice but to take care of gym in order to prevent it being shut down and demolished,. Until either her sisters become reliable or some other substitute is found leaving Misty without any regrets and concerns to leave.
Proof to Misty staying at gym because of sisters incompetence was provided in several episodes after her departure. Like "A Date with Delcatty!" episode from chronicles.

While dub completely altered dialogue in Japanese version Misty shooked head in disappointment being saddened over Daisy and others carefree attitude complaining how they never help her out not being able to count on them filling in for her when needed. At end of episode when sitting on dive board she questions herself what she should do with current situation feeling saddened and disappointed, saying ill directly cite:
"my sisters are of no use so i will have to stay here and do best for time being".

Followed by Misty return in Hoenn when releasing Toigetic after it evolved. Saying to Ash and Brock how she had lot of fun and would love to stick around, but has to go back and help sisters out.

Or in "Real Cleffa Hanger!" where Misty once again showed frustration and disappointment with her sisters carefree nature.
When Daisy rushed her home when she rather wanted to stay with group for longer and tried to delay her coming back being overjoyed and interested in joining Ash and travel in company again.

You could say how Misty could just send gym to hell and leave, But unlike her older siblings,. Misty isn't irresponsible and selfish rather deciding to postpone and put on hold her own desires and dreams if needed with way she was portrayed. Instead of letting family tradition end up destroyed and lose any reputation it had.

It is similar to Brock situation. Who also rather wanted to travel pursuing dreams of becoming world best pokemon breeder. But had no choice but to stay and take care of Pewter gym and his family until his father returned leaving him free to go on travels after meeting Ash.
Still showing how while being gym leader is not what he wants cares about Pewter gym and roots not letting his mother Lola to turn it in circus freaking out whenever she tried to do that.

TLDR:
Writers deliberately left Misty future and situation with Cerulean gym completely convoluted and unresolved. Not knowing what will be of Misty goals , how would situation with gym and sisters in end resolve itself. And in what direction Misty character and story would play out in future.

Famon said:
I watched the episode too and Misty was talking about her sisters are back so she don't has to be a gymleader anymore so she was wondering what she should do !
Also , She was depress about Ash being fine with her leaving ! She cheer up as soon as she realize Ash is just as depress as she is .

That was wrongly translated. Authentic dialogue and version of Date with Delcatty episode have Misty complaining about her sisters never being at home having to do everything by herself.
Saying how she has no choice but to take care of gym and stay.
If you want confirmation, you can contact Dogasu on bulbagarden or Dephender on serebii for more info.

Even Misty acknowledge her sister to be nice , They are not as some irresponsible people who drops all responsibility on misty to have their own happy life as you believe them to be.

Misty sisters showed to be lazy and irresponsible aside from evading gym leader duties as well. This can be noticed in downplaying Misty skills calling her ugly runt back in day before she met Ash. Being constantly degraded and neglected by her older sisters imposing image on her of "being smarter, more beautiful and skilled than Misty would ever be".

This was noticeable when Misty recalled through flashbacks how sisters got newest things while left her with ruptured toys and leftovers sitting alone isolated in room. Explaining why its so important for her to win doll set.
When she recalled how they broke her tambourine she tried playing as child.
When she was almost eaten by Gyarados as baby with sisters not doing good job in taking care of her when she was hepless.
Or when Misty wished she could count on Daisy and others understanding her needs and desires complaining how sisters never help her out having to do everything by herself.
With her siblings being sometimes quite shallow and selfish, such as mentioning how going in beauty salon is much more important. With Daisy saying how now that Misty is at gym they are free to do whatever they want.

Thats not to say how sisters dont like Misty. They do with MIsty being aware of that and compared to early days Misty relationship with them improved as evidenced with her bonding with Daisy in chronicles.

But are they selfish and irresponsible not being possible for Misty to rely on them expecting that she does all the work? Answer is pretty much yes.

Takeshi Shudo was just the head writer of Pokemon ! He doesn't own Pokemon world.

May be , It haven't occur to you that the Novel is simply based on Takeshi Shodu own imagination and its not canon to Anime.
The Anime world is made by the Storyboard , Director and Producer combined !

Granted not everything could be considered canon. But since Takeshi Shudo was in charge of pokemon anime at that time envisioning how should pokemon world and characters in it look like. Some of his ideas and decisions definitely made their way in anime.

Like mentions of Brock and his siblings being abandoned by parents and left to take care of themselves for example. Kids at age of 10 being in quite a few things treated as adults like being possible for 10 year old to get arrested and put in jail( it happened to Ash). Or being apparently able to get married with Ash being teased how he and other girl looks cute as wedding couple.

Not to mention under mr. Shudo batton pokemon anime was in some aspects more mature containing certain dramatic elements of life in portraying world as dangerous place. Compared to later series, especially in earlier seasons when pokemon staff wanted to treat anime as product aimed for not just kids, but teens and adults as well.

So when taking in account how there were never any mentions of Misty parents. Whenever there were showed flashbacks only Misty and sisters were in there with no traces of parents. Alongside Misty herself saying several times how Ash and Brock don't know how its like to be youngest brother, sister having only siblings on who you cannot rely.
Not gaining any support, love and recognition resulting in lot of pent up frustration and anger against her sisters back in day.

Than its pretty obvious how Misty and sisters just like it was case with Brock were left by their parents to be on their own.

Fact is mr. Shudo who put life in Ash, Misty and Brock . Developed their backgrounds and interest stated how just like with Brock, Misty and her sisters were abandoned by parents left to take care of themselves.

She always comment about her sister being unreliable But she still left them to travel .

She left them because being gym leader was not what she was interested in having different goals and dreams to pursue. Along with being fed up of living in their shadow.

She wasn't thrill about leaving Ash.

Except it wasn't just Ash. Misty was clearly when having to leave upset expressing disinterest in resuming her position as gym leader openly complaining how its not fair that she needs to go back at gym because sisters went on world tour. With Brock commenting to Ash how Misty wants to continue traveling pursuing her own dreams.

have it occur to you that if Misty's parent are such bad people then Misty & her sisters has zero reason to run a gym .
There no need to listen to those parent who abandoned their children !
Misty could just shut down the gym since nether she or her sister wants to be Gym-leader.

She could, but since gym is also their home, bringing it in risk of ending shut down would mean losing their home as well. Because PIA inspection considered both Pewter and Cerulean to seal and close down.
And if losing license means losing property of object your using, in that case they wouldn't be allowed to use it for any other purpose anymore. Something Misty sisters are enough carefreee and irresponsible to not realize.

Not to mention just because being gym leader isn't her goal she wants to accomplish doesn't mean she still doesn't care about preserving family tradition. Similar how Brock wasn't interested in being gym leader but still wanted that Pewter has gym restoring its reputation.

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Speaking of May coming back to pokemon series as main character again in case we get timeskip? While i liked May and everything, if there was any of past main characters who deserves anther chaince becoming main character again in pokemon.
Honestly its definitely Misty feeling she has far more potential and unexplored mysteries in her story to offer more on table than May or any prevous traveling companion could.

Feeling she could deliver better chemistry, humor and emotion in main cast through her return. Especially if she aged exploring Misty on more substantial level and how she would get along with Ash and others after years of long absence.

Famon · Dec 10, 2015

weedle_mchairybug said:
Yes, we know, because Drew made that explicit in the final episodes of AG. And please don't say it was no longer needed. They mentioned plenty of things despite their not even being needed, like Ash's old friends. And technically, contests weren't even needed in Battle Frontier since it took place in Kanto, when in FRLG, they weren't even contests.

Kento had contest because of May ! Just like Kalos will have contest if writer ever need to bring May back .
And obviously , May returning is far better then Iris returning because the last thing anyone want is Iris flashing her Free Dragonite.

So was Serena, yet that never stopped her from NOT becoming a Coordinator.

Is there any rule that say that a female playable character has to be Coordinator ?
Hack , I don't know if Dawn will remain a Coordinator ! The Anime seem to focus on her talent as a Pokemon stylist then Coordinator.
Just like the Anime mainly focused on Brock's talent as a Pokemon Doctor instate of a Breeder and we all know how that turn out .

Need I remind you that the writers actually intended to have May be a gym battler alongside Ash before having her go the Contest route? Besides, that never stopped Dawn from reusing May's goal.

Why did writer dropped it ? Why didn't they carry on with May being a challenger.
Because it was a stupid idea and writer knew it so they dropped it ! Just like it was a stupid idea for James to be a woman and becoming Brock's love-interest.
Also , Dawn & May didn't traveled together so Dawn able to reused May's goal !

No it's not. There were PLENTY of differences between them, especially the bit about NOT battling or using any stylish moves.

You never seen Contest in the game , Didn't you ?
Because Contest in game doesn't involve battling , Trainer has to show off moves based on the theme and winner decided by audience vote.
You can cheek it out in Youtude !

I didn't like that they brought Dawn back due to having absolutely NO business in Unova. However, I really wouldn't say she didn't participate in Hoenn or that she didn't complete it. Need I remind you that her special had her going to Hoenn? Besides, Ash doesn't even show his prior badges to May or Dawn, so are we to assume that he never participated in Kanto, Johto, or even Hoenn just because of that?

Dawn appeared for the same reason Misty appeared in Hoenn and Iris will appear in Kalos as well.
Ash doesn't show his prior badge because he left them at home but he does shows his current badge.

First of all, they weren't even an idea for the games, let alone the anime, at the time Ash did those regions, so that's not a good reason. Not to mention that Ash has been portrayed as pretty dense anyways. I might as well remind you that, technically, there were contests in Kanto and Johto during Ash's time there, the Breeder contest Brock participated in, and the Princess Festival Contest Misty participated in (the latter's description even matched that of Pokémon Contests to a T, where it requires not only a beauty pageant, but fighting to determine who is the strongest trainer).

Breeder contest and Princess festival wasn't Pokemon Contest !
Also , Girls doesn't needed to win a beauty pageant in Princess festival , It was just participate appearing in kimono since its was Girl Day (A Japanese holiday)
Just like Ash & other participate stand on the stadium before the league starts .
Also , Ash is oblivious when it comes to love and other non-pokemon event but he's not that oblivious that he forget contest since it involve pokemon.
Off course , Ash knew about Baseball since he pissed Cassy off by claiming Electribuzz suck and Magicarp will win these season.
Also , He use to throw pokemon the same way the pitcher throw ball ! I guess , Ash used to be Pitcher in a baseball team.

Ash referenced his friends in BW's late stages, even when they weren't needed.

Wrong , Ash make reference to his friend when its needed ! for example : when he use Misty lure in DP .

I never said that there would not be any new games, I said that Kalos is going to be the final region of the anime. The games will probably continue, but the anime probably won't (it won't be the first time games outlived extension media even in Japan: Battle Network and Star Force outlived their respective animes, and Mario, Zelda, Sonic, and Mega Man well outlived their TV shows (Mario probably took the longest for its shows to be cancelled altogether).

There is no confirmation of this ! Even if Ash win the league , He will be replaced by someone new and he will go to new region with new quest.

He has until the Kalos league by my estimates, and that's coming up pretty quick (we've got the eighth badge coming up, and they've even advertised the fight between Ash and the eighth gym leader).

XY still has 2 year left !
Like it not , Pokemon Z & Gen VII will come out !

It appeared in the anime, so it's official enough.

Pokemon is not Digimon where everything in Anime Canon !!!
Specially since Venatoise was just a illusion created by Gastly
Pokemon need to approve by Nintendo , Gamefreak and Pokemon company to be canon .

Okay, fine, there are hints, but that doesn't matter for the anime.

It does matter ! Its proves there are unknown amount of region in Pokeverse and May could be in anywhere .

If they wanted to announce Pokémon Z, they would have done it at the premiere of Pokémon XY&Z, or heck, even Tokyo Game Show, not wait until possibly December CoroCoro at the earliest. Besides, that STILL isn't a hint at Generation VII, especially for the anime.

Game-freak and Nintendo can announce the game anytime they want.
May be, They haven't announce it because they has some technically error for some new feature in the game.
Its take a lots of money and work to make a game .
Plus , Pokemon X & Y left a lot unanswered mystery ! Those Mystery often solved in the third version .
Same thing happen with all the game.

Technically, neither does Masamitsu Hidaka, it's Satoshi Tajiri who actually owns it.

The point is that Takeshi shodu alone doesn't decide how the Anime world should be like ! Specially now that he's retire and dead !
Its the producer , Director and Storyboard together decide how the anime world work in Pokemon !
The novel is purely based on from Takeshi shodu's perceptive so it isn't canon.

In case you've forgotten, it was the writers who actually make the Pokémon World. Not to mention he played a role in removing Misty, and NOT just being ordered to do so.

No , Its the producer & Director who make the pokemon world !
The Writers are simply people hired by the producer to write anime episode! They can't major decision without the Producer and Director permission .
Considering how the Director Masamitsu Hidaka nearly got fired by the producer for making James a Woman , Its proves Producer hold more power and Director are held responsible for any screw up.

I saw it, and they don't even LOOK as tall as Ash and May even while sitting down. They looked just barely over Misty's height.

Misty herself is taller then Ash ! The only reason she's 10 year old because of a dialog.
However , She looks just as old as Korrina !

Yeah, and she left to prove to them that she was capable of being a trainer. And considering she herself was a Gym Leader as she explicitly told Ash in Episode 7, it's pretty clear she did have authority at the gym. And let's face it, if she truly liked running the gym, she wouldn't have even left in the first place.

Misty act like gym-leader because she the only one battled Ash!
Considering her sisters didn't knew her battling capability and claim she's not one of Cerulean Waterflower so it made me wonder if she ever fought any gym-battle before Ash.

This was BEFORE they mentioned the fixed bike and Ash obliviously dismissing her.

She was jealous of her sister going on luxury tour .

Ah, first of all, yes, they DID threaten her, or have you completely missed A Real Cleffa Hanger as well as The Right Place and the Right Mime (especially the former), where they basically threatened that if Misty doesn't return to the gym, they'll hand out badges whether she wants it or not? Second of all, yes, she was forced to run the gym (her sisters left for a three month cruise, forcing Misty to run it until they get back).

They didn't threaten her ! They were just annoyed by the crowed challengers and wanted to get rid of them quickly.

Apparently, you've forgotten that they actually DID run the gym in Misty's absence, and they didn't shut down the gym at all (in fact, the fact that it was a target for PIA inspections suggests it STILL was running). If they really preferred to shut down the gym, why didn't they do it beforehand? If you're going to argue that no one forced Misty to become a Gym Leader (which was patently false), you also have to argue that they could have easily shut down the gym if they wished.

They didn't shut down the Gym because Misty doesn't let them too !
Misty is the only one who wants run a gym even though she can close it down since nobody wants to be Gym-leader.
But , Misty want to run The Gym because she wishes too .

That's not even close to the same thing.

Its the same thing .
The Cerulean Gym is right inside Misty house ! They use their main swimming pool as the battle field for a Gym-battle.
Just you don't accept it because Misty doesn't sleep there ! Can you show me the house or the building where Misty leaves .

If they were reliable to her happiness, they wouldn't have spent the entire episode of A Real Cleffa-hanger threatening her to return. Not to mention if she really enjoyed running the gym, she wouldn't have delayed returning.

Again , They didn't threaten her ! They just wanted to do the same thing they were doing from the beginning of the show.
If Misty didn't enjoyed running the Gym , She could close it down since nobody forcing her and her sister to run a Gym.

No it's not. We don't even see the trademark gray roof of the gym in Showdown at Pewter City when we got a brief glimpse of Brock's house.

Yet we can see , Brock entering the gym from his house !

Brock had zero reason to run the gym, especially when he didn't exactly have much good thoughts about his parents for up and out abandoning them, yet he did. And if he could do that, so could Misty and her sisters.

Brock had zero reason to run a Gym BUT HE HAD EVERY REASON TO LOOK AFTER HIS 10 YOUNGER BROTHER AND SISTER WHO DIDN'T HAD ANYONE ELSE TO LOOK AFTER THEM.
Its so simple and easy ! Nobody would miss it unless they are trying to mess with other.
If we ask Mod to judge out post then he will mine as the logical and then delete both out post. (Since we getting off-topic)

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 10, 2015

Famon said:
Kento had contest because of May ! Just like Kalos will have contest if writer ever need to bring May back .
And obviously , May returning is far better then Iris returning because the last thing anyone want is Iris flashing her Free Dragonite.

You sure about that? Dawn came back to Unova. Last I checked, they didn't have Contests reappearing there. And at this rate, I'm not sure if ANYONE's going to return. If they wanted anyone to return, whether Iris or Misty, heck, even May or Dawn, they would have done it by now.

Is there any rule that say that a female playable character has to be Coordinator ?
Hack , I don't know if Dawn will remain a Coordinator ! The Anime seem to focus on her talent as a Pokemon stylist then Coordinator.
Just like the Anime mainly focused on Brock's talent as a Pokemon Doctor instate of a Breeder and we all know how that turn out .

Except unlike Brock, who actually DID change his goal explicity in the end of DP, Dawn never actually changed her goal. And do I really need to remind you again that her special actually HAD her going to Hoenn to continue contests there?

Why did writer dropped it ? Why didn't they carry on with May being a challenger.
Because it was a stupid idea and writer knew it so they dropped it ! Just like it was a stupid idea for James to be a woman and becoming Brock's love-interest.
Also , Dawn & May didn't traveled together so Dawn able to reused May's goal !

If they truly thought it was a stupid idea, they would have nixed it before they even STARTED AG. Remember, episodes have to be planned and written months in advance.

You never seen Contest in the game , Didn't you ?
Because Contest in game doesn't involve battling , Trainer has to show off moves based on the theme and winner decided by audience vote.
You can cheek it out in Youtude !

Of course I've seen Contests in the games. Heck, I even tried them out in Ruby and Sapphire. However, performers are nothing like contests anyhow.

Dawn appeared for the same reason Misty appeared in Hoenn and Iris will appear in Kalos as well. Ash doesn't show his prior badge because he left them at home but he does shows his current badge.

I'll give you Misty (though at least Misty was forced out of her goal), though we're not even sure if Iris will be appearing in Kalos at all. If they were going to have Iris or anyone of the former girls appear, they would have done it by now.

Breeder contest and Princess festival wasn't Pokemon Contest !

They were similar though. Similar enough that Bulbapedia even noted the similarities in the case of Breeder contests.

Also , Girls doesn't needed to win a beauty pageant in Princess festival , It was just participate appearing in kimono since its was Girl Day (A Japanese holiday)

Ah, actually, yes, they DID need to win a beauty pageant, as both the MC and Jessie explicitly mentioned that part of the contest WAS a pageant ("You mean this isn't just a beauty contest?" "Oh no! The Queen of the Princess Festival Contest must also be a skilled Pokémon Trainer!" Emphasis mine.)

Just like Ash & other participate stand on the stadium before the league starts .
Also , Ash is oblivious when it comes to love and other non-pokemon event but he's not that oblivious that he forget contest since it involve pokemon.

Aside from checking the Pokedex for Pokémon he's seen before, or his mistaking Iris for an Axew despite the clear differences.

Wrong , Ash make reference to his friend when its needed ! for example : when he use Misty lure in DP .

Again, how exactly was it NEEDED? They didn't even need to show the lure in the first place. It's not integral to the over all plot.

There is no confirmation of this ! Even if Ash win the league , He will be replaced by someone new and he will go to new region with new quest.

Yes, actually, there IS confirmation. Masamitsu Hidaka, during his interview with PokeBeach. He explicitly stated that Ash winning the league means the series is over.

XY still has 2 year left !

No, it has a year left at best. Don't forget, he's only got to get the eighth gym badge before he'll participate in the Kalos League. Maybe if they hadn't breezed through most of the remaining gyms this year, I could buy it being two years.

Like it not , Pokemon Z & Gen VII will come out !

The games? Sure. That doesn't mean it will be the case with the anime, which is what's important.

Pokemon is not Digimon where everything in Anime Canon !!!
Specially since Venatoise was just a illusion created by Gastly
Pokemon need to approve by Nintendo , Gamefreak and Pokemon company to be canon .

By that logic, since it's clearly in the anime, they got approval from Nintendo, Gamefreak, and Pokémon company. Don't forget, companies are generally very protective of their works, to the extent that they generally force people to not include things they don't want in a show or other medium.

It does matter ! Its proves there are unknown amount of region in Pokeverse and May could be in anywhere .

Let me clarify, it doesn't matter for the Anime, since it will most likely be cancelled very soon, especially after the horrible ratings, bad box office receipts, and bad merchandising.

Game-freak and Nintendo can announce the game anytime they want.
May be, They haven't announce it because they has some technically error for some new feature in the game.
Its take a lots of money and work to make a game .

Yes, I know it takes a lot of work and money to make a game. However, they would have at least given some announcement for it even IF they ran into problems in development or if they were going to add a new feature. Metal Gear Solid V, for example, was announced by Kojima way back in 2012's PAX convention, and this was DESPITE running into massive development problems from then up to this year, and to some extent back in 2010 after Peace Walker was released.

Plus , Pokemon X & Y left a lot unanswered mystery ! Those Mystery often solved in the third version . Same thing happen with all the game.

Generation I and II really didn't have all those mysteries. And quite frankly, there really wasn't anything in Generation III and possibly IV that really needed solving. And Generation V didn't even HAVE a third version.

The point is that Takeshi shodu alone doesn't decide how the Anime world should be like ! Specially now that he's retire and dead !

As DBZFan pointed out, the first five seasons were based on Shudo's vision of the Anime world. Now, Seasons 6 to now? Yes, those are DEFINITELY not Shudo's vision at all.

Its the producer , Director and Storyboard together decide how the anime world work in Pokemon !
The novel is purely based on from Takeshi shodu's perceptive so it isn't canon.

It IS canon, though, at least to the first five seasons.

No , Its the producer & Director who make the pokemon world !
The Writers are simply people hired by the producer to write anime episode! They can't major decision without the Producer and Director permission .
Considering how the Director Masamitsu Hidaka nearly got fired by the producer for making James a Woman , Its proves Producer hold more power and Director are held responsible for any screw up.

Need I remind you that it was Takeshi Shudo who pushed for Misty to be axed in favor of Team Rocket? This was made very clear in his blogs (that, as well as his regret after the fact) and shows that he DOES make major decisions.

Misty herself is taller then Ash ! The only reason she's 10 year old because of a dialog.
However , She looks just as old as Korrina !

And? That really doesn't change anything. They aren't really all that older than Misty in that flashback. They're not even that much taller than her. And for the record, it's not just dialogue, even a magazine scan confirmed it.

Misty act like gym-leader because she the only one battled Ash!
Considering her sisters didn't knew her battling capability and claim she's not one of Cerulean Waterflower so it made me wonder if she ever fought any gym-battle before Ash.

She was in authority at the time, and she also made clear her status as a Gym Leader in various other times during Johto especially, meaning that, yes, she most likely DID fight in gym battles before Ash. And besides, the Cerulean Waterflowers always put her down anyhow. DBZFan made this very clear.

She was jealous of her sister going on luxury tour .

I saw GCYL, and nowhere was it even IMPLIED she was jealous of her sisters for going on a luxury tour, never mind explicitly stated.

They didn't threaten her ! They were just annoyed by the crowed challengers and wanted to get rid of them quickly.

They basically told her to come back or they'll start handing out badges whether she wants it or not. Last I checked, that WAS a threat by definition.

They didn't shut down the Gym because Misty doesn't let them too !
Misty is the only one who wants run a gym even though she can close it down since nobody wants to be Gym-leader.
But , Misty want to run The Gym because she wishes too .

No, no, no. If she really wished to run the gym, she would not have left the gym in the first place, as I and DBZFan pointed out multiple times now. Heck, she wouldn't have even appeared in the First Episode, we'd have to wait until the seventh episode for Misty to actually appear and meet Ash. Also, she only doesn't let them AFTER GCYL. Before then, she was travelling with Ash, so they had plenty of opportunities to shut down the gym altogether especially when Misty really can't do anything to stop them, yet they didn't. It's still clearly open.

Its the same thing .
The Cerulean Gym is right inside Misty house ! They use their main swimming pool as the battle field for a Gym-battle.
Just you don't accept it because Misty doesn't sleep there ! Can you show me the house or the building where Misty leaves .

Aw come on! They don't always show the place the person lives at! We don't even see where Tracey lives, nor Snap/Todd's place. And for the record, Giovanni obviously didn't live at Viridian Gym.

Again , They didn't threaten her ! They just wanted to do the same thing they were doing from the beginning of the show.
If Misty didn't enjoyed running the Gym , She could close it down since nobody forcing her and her sister to run a Gym.

You could say the same thing about Brock, especially when we KNOW there are definitely other job opportunities besides the gym in Pewter City (There's the Pokémon Center, for one. And there's also that diner that Ash and Misty were at).

And yes, they DID threaten her. Do you even know what a threat is? It basically is demanding for a worst outcome for someone unless you have them do your bidding? And last I checked, handing out badges IS the worst outcome for Cerulean Gym for Misty.

Yet we can see , Brock entering the gym from his house !

Not in Showdown at Pewter City we don't.

Brock had zero reason to run a Gym BUT HE HAD EVERY REASON TO LOOK AFTER HIS 10 YOUNGER BROTHER AND SISTER WHO DIDN'T HAD ANYONE ELSE TO LOOK AFTER THEM.
Its so simple and easy ! Nobody would miss it unless they are trying to mess with other.
If we ask Mod to judge out post then he will mine as the logical and then delete both out post. (Since we getting off-topic)

He could have just shut down the gym and found another opportunity for a job for his siblings, like I don't know, a waiter, or a orderly, heck, even an assistant for the rock salesman. It's not like he HAS to run the gym even with his siblings.

Actually, don't even read my responses regarding Misty, just read DBZFan's before it, since he can communicate it and has more expertise in that area than I ever will.

But I agree, we should halt. The long and the short is, Ash really should age, especially when it would actually be more integral to his development and actually HAVE the viewer actually LIVE his journey.

DBZ fan · Dec 11, 2015

Famon said:
Breeder contest and Princess festival wasn't Pokemon Contest !
Also , Girls doesn't needed to win a beauty pageant in Princess festival , It was just participate appearing in kimono since its was Girl Day (A Japanese holiday)

I think Weedle more so wanted to point out similarity between Princess festival tournament and contests, rather than this two competitions being completely same. Because just like contests that tournament did had 2 sections. With first one being focused on showcasing participants beauty and elegance, while second round on their battling skills.

Hence the word technically.

There is no confirmation of this ! Even if Ash win the league , He will be replaced by someone new and he will go to new region with new quest.

To be fair it was stated by pokemon director Masamitsui Hidaka who was on this position until Battle Frontier back in 2008 during interview:
How pokemon anime will definitely end when Ash becomes pokemon master.

Meaning how winning league wont necessarily mean end of anime because we know how after league there is champion leagee and who knows whatever challenge left to gain master title.
But once Ash reach pokemon master title, judging by mr. Hidaka words will be day when this show is finished for good.

From interview:

Spoiler:

In nutshell pokemon anime could very well end for good once Ash gets retired.

The point is that Takeshi shodu alone doesn't decide how the Anime world should be like ! Specially now that he's retire and dead !
Its the producer , Director and Storyboard together decide how the anime world work in Pokemon !
The novel is purely based on from Takeshi shodu's perceptive so it isn't canon.

Head writer job is to in agreement with gamefreak director(Junichi Masuda), production committee, chief series director(Yuyama Kunihiko) and pokemon anime director(currently for XY series Tetsuo Yajima) establish when and what elements from new games should be promoted.

However as main writer he also has certain amount of liberty in cooperation with other writers to carry out some of his own ideas and ways in which characters and storyline would unfold.

This can be evidenced in Takeshi Shudo blogs when he mentioned how he had choice in whether Misty would stay as main character or not choosing Jessie, James, Meowth instead. Despite removal of Misty causing huge backlash and lot of complaining among western audience.

As head writer he wanted to turn pokemon anime in family show directed toward wider viewer demographic. Something he had success with initially before his superiors decided how series should to become much more focused just on promotion with story and characters falling in second plan.
Causing him to become frustrated and disgusted with direction in which pokemon started to go leaving his position.

Lastly mr. Shudo was responsible for designing Ash, Misty, Brock and TR personalities adding multiple layers , backgrounds and dreams introduced around them.
So some of his visions and ideas in how should pokemon world be constructed definitely made their way into anime.
Including sad backgrounds he introduced around Brock and Misty. In being left by their parents as i more thoroughly covered in previous post.

Misty herself is taller then Ash ! The only reason she's 10 year old because of a dialog.
However , She looks just as old as Korrina !

It was stated in episode 3("Ash Catches a Pokemon!") of Japanese version how Misty is 10 years old.

Misty act like gym-leader because she the only one battled Ash!
Considering her sisters didn't knew her battling capability and claim she's not one of Cerulean Waterflower so it made me wonder if she ever fought any gym-battle before Ash.

Misty was already gym leader before meeting Ash not being rookie by any margin. Due to having already 3 pokemon with her.

It was also confirmed several times in pokemon anime when she traveled with Ash how she is one of gym leaders. Such as in episode 7 when battling Ash. In battle for Totodile saying how she has to defend her reputation as gym leader. In talks to Molly in third pokemon movie once again confirming she is one of Cerulean city gym leaders etc.

How many challengers she fought before going on journey is irrelevant and doesn't change what canon established.

She was jealous of her sister going on luxury tour .

That doesn't make much sense. Misty wasn't jealous of her sisters winning prize at all.

Misty wasn't saddened and upset because her sisters went on world tour, but because:
A-:she didn't wanted to leave Ash wishing to continue traveling with him,
B-:because she had no interest in returning back to gym since it wasn't her dream. Saying ill directly cite:"its not fair, why i have to go back working at gym".
Wanting to explore world, new water pokemon, new regions, sharp her skills as trainer and pursue goal of becoming water pokemon master.

Even Brock realized how she wanted to continue traveling with them and mentioned more than once in OS how they know how much she loves water pokemon wanting to reach master level with them going by her dialogue.

They didn't threaten her ! They were just annoyed by the crowed challengers and wanted to get rid of them quickly.

Or they are lazy not being capable of accepting responsibilities. Something Misty expressed frustration and disappointment both in "A Real Cleffa Hanger!" or in chronicles such as "A Date with Delcatty!" episode. Saying how she wish she could rely on her sisters understanding her needs.

Gym beng cluttered with challengers is irrelevant in here. Because even when there would appear just one challenger, Misty sisters would still rather give away badge insted of battling.

We can see that when Ash challenged them or in Hoenn during episode "Judgment Day!" when Ash and co met kid named Jimmy saying he got cacade badge from Daisy for cleaning out pool.

Daisy clearly rushed Misty home revealing how she cannot count on her older sisters at all. Making her annoyed of not being able to leave gym for even short time without sisters rushing her home.

They didn't shut down the Gym because Misty doesn't let them too !
Misty is the only one who wants run a gym even though she can close it down since nobody wants to be Gym-leader.
But , Misty want to run The Gym because she wishes too .

Your oversimplifying things in here. If you read my previous post you would notice how Misty admitted herself through her dialogue and actions how main reason why she stayed at gym is because of her older sisters being unreliable. Not having anyone to rely on and take care of gym tasks or duties.

It was very clearly said by Misty in episodes "A Date with Delcatty" or "Blue Badge of Courage!" with Misty feeling saddened and concerned.
Leaving her without much choice.

If Misty career was all along to be gym leader, why she had goal of becoming water pokemon master? Why she idolize E4 Lorelei wantig to become strong and recognized like her one day?

Most importantly what was point of traveling in first place when she was already gym leader before meeting Ash and if she wanted to run gym, her sisters would step down in heart beat since they never were interested in this occupation to begin with?

But realistically all this issue with gym and uncleared situation was invented by pokemon staff as performance for audience to accept that shes gone creating artificial reason to keep her of the pokemon anime. Due to not having interest to advance character and her story more.

Again , They didn't threaten her ! They just wanted to do the same thing they were doing from the beginning of the show.
If Misty didn't enjoyed running the Gym , She could close it down since nobody forcing her and her sister to run a Gym.

Through Misty actions and disappointment with sisters laziness and irresponsibility Misty made it very clear how being gym leader is not something which she views as calling, but more as job.

That doesn't mean Misty hates gym, afterall why would she? Being her home and liking water pokemon.

However her actions and diaslogue showed this isn't position which fulfills her as person and provide true happiness never giving up on her career of becoming best water trainer in world/water pokemon master.
She decided to force on herself gym leader responsibilities for current time. Feeling its her own moral duty and obligation to help family out and try to find common language with them knowing how in case of leaving it her and sister home alongside family tradition of having gym in Cerulean city would be shut down.

Misty just like Brock did back in day is staying at gym because of not having someone else reliable enough to take care of it putting her own dreams on hold until this issue is resolved being able to travel in case she decides without being concerned of gym being shut down.
Likewise she still showed clear desire to travel again and reach higher positions as trainer.

Similar how Wallace became champion with water pokemon, or her idol Loelei became E4. Same applies to Siebold.

Brock had zero reason to run a Gym BUT HE HAD EVERY REASON TO LOOK AFTER HIS 10 YOUNGER BROTHER AND SISTER WHO DIDN'T HAD ANYONE ELSE TO LOOK AFTER THEM.
Its so simple and easy ! Nobody would miss it unless they are trying to mess with other.
If we ask Mod to judge out post then he will mine as the logical and then delete both out post. (Since we getting off-topic)

Brock stay at gym didn't happened only because of having younger siblings to take care of. But also because he didn't wanted that Pewter lose gym with family tradition being breaked.

Otherwise he wouldn't be so adamant of preserving Pewter gym reputation in specializing in rock types when his mother wanted to turn it in gym for water pokemon. Or trying to convince PIA inspector Joy not to close down gym in Sinnoh special.

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 12, 2015

Fully agreed with all of the above, DBZFan.

And for the record, on a last note, I did date comparisons for the games, and the third versions of each generation post-original series was generally announced no later than when Ash finds the sixth gym. For Emerald, it was announced just four days after Ash arrived at Fortree City (on July 12, 2004 in other words). For Platinum, it was announced on May 15, 2008, just before Ash challenged Crasher Wake (at the time the fourth gym leader of Generation IV), in other words (in fact, it was announced the same day that the episode where May and Dawn fought each other in the Wallace Cup aired). Even with Pokémon Crystal, it most likely was announced between right before Ash challenged Faulkner or shortly after Whitney (there's no specific announcement date covered, but it's definitely got to be between two to five months beforehand). Ash has gotten through the seventh gym leader Olympia, with only Wulfric and Snowbelle City being left before he is eligible for the Kalos League, which is going to be a few weeks, maybe a month and a half tops, and we haven't even got an announcement for Z yet. Probably the closest we've got is Zygarde's Core Form being with the party right now, and that's not really enough. Not to mention CoroCoro has just come out and the only Pokémon-related announcement it's got is that Volcanion will be distributed and be the main star of the upcoming movie. If they were planning to announce Z version while the anime is still on the air, they would have done it by now, especially when it generally takes between two to five months for the third versions to be released once announced (Emerald was announced July 12, 2004, and it was released on September 16 of the same year. Platinum, meanwhile, was announced May 15, 2008, and released on September 13 that same year).

As far as the topic, I've said it once, I'll say it again: They'll need to have Ash age, either that or avoid even mentioning any times. This is effectively a Rocky Balboa series, one where Ash has to continuously get stronger until he succeeds in his goal, so aging is something of a requirement. Dragonball had aging as well. Even Dead or Alive has recently done aging.

Famon · Dec 16, 2015

weedle_mchairybug said:
You sure about that? Dawn came back to Unova. Last I checked, they didn't have Contests reappearing there. And at this rate, I'm not sure if ANYONE's going to return. If they wanted anyone to return, whether Iris or Misty, heck, even May or Dawn, they would have done it by now.

Hello , You yourself said that Dawn went to Hoenn ! Do you expect her to complete in Unova Contest in middle of her Hoenn quest ?
After all , Only Ribbon from Wallace Cup can be use in all regional Grand-Fesvital.

Except unlike Brock, who actually DID change his goal explicity in the end of DP, Dawn never actually changed her goal. And do I really need to remind you again that her special actually HAD her going to Hoenn to continue contests there?

Brock didn't change his goal right away ! The Anime start giving hint about it .
Specially in AG series when Prof Oak actually told Brock about him having talent in treating sick pokemon.
Then the entire DP series were more focus on his talent as a Doctor instate of a Breeder.
Same way , The Anime giving hint about Dawn's talent in Pokemon styling ! She even cancel her plan to visit Pallet town for a style event covering her Bunnary.

If they truly thought it was a stupid idea, they would have nixed it before they even STARTED AG. Remember, episodes have to be planned and written months in advance.

Yet we have no episode about May challenging any Gym ! She already decided on her goal before Ash reached his first gym.
Which mean , Writer dropped that idea long a ago! Off course , You haven't show any source to confirm this.
Unlike me who already gave you that source that confirm writers plan on revealing James as a woman and their plan to reveal it in "Beauty & The Beach"

Of course I've seen Contests in the games. Heck, I even tried them out in Ruby and Sapphire. However, performers are nothing like contests anyhow.

Seriously , There is no point in talking to a guy that claim Coal to be a some sort Diamond! Performing is more close to game contest in Anime contest ! It was even shown in ORAS Animated Promo.

I'll give you Misty (though at least Misty was forced out of her goal), though we're not even sure if Iris will be appearing in Kalos at all. If they were going to have Iris or anyone of the former girls appear, they would have done it by now.

Iris has more chance of reappearing then Misty ! All former female traveling companion make a cameo visit in the next series.

They were similar though. Similar enough that Bulbapedia even noted the similarities in the case of Breeder contests.

Did Breeder contest involve battling where trainer with less point lose ? Actually , Breeder contest was barely shown since the episode was more focus on Brock getting another Broken heart because another hot guy come to take the girl away.
Seriously , This anime always favor the "Hot,Dazzling and shining Guys"!
As for showing off move , Showcase does the same thing .

Ah, actually, yes, they DID need to win a beauty pageant, as both the MC and Jessie explicitly mentioned that part of the contest WAS a pageant ("You mean this isn't just a beauty contest?" "Oh no! The Queen of the Princess Festival Contest must also be a skilled Pokémon Trainer!" Emphasis mine.)

Please tell me who won the Beauty contest and who got eliminated ?
Because , The Beauty pageant did nothing but showing off the participant !
They didn't need to win or lose the pageant , They simply had to show themselves.

Aside from checking the Pokedex for Pokémon he's seen before, or his mistaking Iris for an Axew despite the clear differences.

It wasn't a clear difference because Axew was inside Iris's hair while she was behind a bush ! Anyone would make that mistake.

Again, how exactly was it NEEDED? They didn't even need to show the lure in the first place. It's not integral to the over all plot.

May be because the screenplay Writer though that its a good idea to show off Misty lure since the episode was about fishing .

Yes, actually, there IS confirmation. Masamitsu Hidaka, during his interview with PokeBeach. He explicitly stated that Ash winning the league means the series is over.

He's no longer the director ! Its the producer and current Director who will decide Ash's fate after he wins the league .

No, it has a year left at best. Don't forget, he's only got to get the eighth gym badge before he'll participate in the Kalos League. Maybe if they hadn't breezed through most of the remaining gyms this year, I could buy it being two years.

It took more then One year for Ash to get his last badge in DP Series ! The new calendar and the Movie state that Puni-chan will stay with the group till September .
Which mean , Z-ark probably gonna take One year.

The games? Sure. That doesn't mean it will be the case with the anime, which is what's important.

The Anime exist to promote the game ! Whatever happen in game is more important then the Anime.

By that logic, since it's clearly in the anime, they got approval from Nintendo, Gamefreak, and Pokémon company. Don't forget, companies are generally very protective of their works, to the extent that they generally force people to not include things they don't want in a show or other medium.

Which clearly proves that they are planning to release "Pokemon Z" so they are using anime to promote Zygarde's form to hype Buyer about the next game.

Let me clarify, it doesn't matter for the Anime, since it will most likely be cancelled very soon, especially after the horrible ratings, bad box office receipts, and bad merchandising.

Its all your own opinion ! Even BW Movies earned more money then AG movies.
Anime with even horrible rating are still surviving !
Animes like Battle Spirit , Precure , Jewel pet etc etc .

Yes, I know it takes a lot of work and money to make a game. However, they would have at least given some announcement for it even IF they ran into problems in development or if they were going to add a new feature. Metal Gear Solid V, for example, was announced by Kojima way back in 2012's PAX convention, and this was DESPITE running into massive development problems from then up to this year, and to some extent back in 2010 after Peace Walker was released.

Why do you think they announced Zygarde's forms ? It to hype people about the next game.

Generation I and II really didn't have all those mysteries. And quite frankly, there really wasn't anything in Generation III and possibly IV that really needed solving. And Generation V didn't even HAVE a third version.

Generation V had a squeal ! There is chance that Generation VI might get a squeal as well .

As DBZFan pointed out, the first five seasons were based on Shudo's vision of the Anime world. Now, Seasons 6 to now? Yes, those are DEFINITELY not Shudo's vision at all.

Which mean the current anime is based on Tomioka's Vision !
Oh please , Shudo & Tomioka are just the head of Storyboard ! The Anime is based on an entire Storyboard vision.

It IS canon, though, at least to the first five seasons.

Then its no longer Canon now !

Need I remind you that it was Takeshi Shudo who pushed for Misty to be axed in favor of Team Rocket? This was made very clear in his blogs (that, as well as his regret after the fact) and shows that he DOES make major decisions.

Ya , I heard how he was "Forced" to chose between Misty & Team Rocket !
Which mean that there are others with more influence then him .

And? That really doesn't change anything. They aren't really all that older than Misty in that flashback. They're not even that much taller than her. And for the record, it's not just dialogue, even a magazine scan confirmed it.

Which magazine scan ?
Misty was taller then Ash , It would be stupid to use Misty as a model for 10 year old girl.

She was in authority at the time, and she also made clear her status as a Gym Leader in various other times during Johto especially, meaning that, yes, she most likely DID fight in gym battles before Ash. And besides, the Cerulean Waterflowers always put her down anyhow. DBZFan made this very clear.

She only did that because she's the one that battled Ash ! There is no other indication of her battling any other challenger before Ash.
Specially since her sister never seen her battle ! Which would unusual if the younger one is chosen before older one .

I saw GCYL, and nowhere was it even IMPLIED she was jealous of her sisters for going on a luxury tour, never mind explicitly stated.

Really , She didn't complained about she doing all the work while her sister goes to a luxary tour.

They basically told her to come back or they'll start handing out badges whether she wants it or not. Last I checked, that WAS a threat by definition.

That wasn't a threat ! They just wanted to do what they always did.
Misty simply doesn't want them to do that !

No, no, no. If she really wished to run the gym, she would not have left the gym in the first place, as I and DBZFan pointed out multiple times now. Heck, she wouldn't have even appeared in the First Episode, we'd have to wait until the seventh episode for Misty to actually appear and meet Ash. Also, she only doesn't let them AFTER GCYL. Before then, she was travelling with Ash, so they had plenty of opportunities to shut down the gym altogether especially when Misty really can't do anything to stop them, yet they didn't. It's still clearly open.

If Misty didn't wanted to run a gym then she could just left them just like she did before .
She knew that her sisters giving off free badges before but she still left them the Gym , She could do that again
If Cerulean Gym get shut down then it will be her sisters fault ! It has nothing to do with Misty.
But Misty stayed to keep Cerulean Gym Open , It shows that she want to run the gym.

Aw come on! They don't always show the place the person lives at! We don't even see where Tracey lives, nor Snap/Todd's place. And for the record, Giovanni obviously didn't live at Viridian Gym.

We already seen Todd's house and Ash never visited Tracey's home town !
But Ash already been to Misty house which happen to Cerulean Gym !
She even called Cerulean guy to be her home multiple time.

You could say the same thing about Brock, especially when we KNOW there are definitely other job opportunities besides the gym in Pewter City (There's the Pokémon Center, for one. And there's also that diner that Ash and Misty were at).

He could have just shut down the gym and found another opportunity for a job for his siblings, like I don't know, a waiter, or a orderly, heck, even an assistant for the rock salesman. It's not like he HAS to run the gym even with his siblings.

Why would he waste his time finding other job when he already got a better job ? Being Gym-leader is probably the best job Brock can have back then.
All he has to do is wait for someone to challenge his gym and Battle ! He doesn't even need to win the battle , he just need to put a good fight and give free advise.
Can you think of any easy job then this ? Brock is even free to stay in home to look after his little brother & sister.
Unlike other job that require him to leave the house and his little sibling alone (unless he finds a babysitter)
Plus , Gym-leader gets more respect then a Waiter .

And yes, they DID threaten her. Do you even know what a threat is? It basically is demanding for a worst outcome for someone unless you have them do your bidding? And last I checked, handing out badges IS the worst outcome for Cerulean Gym for Misty.

Its the worst outcome for Cerulean Gym , Not for Misty !
Misty can just left the gym and let her sister deal with the responsibility on their own.

Not in Showdown at Pewter City we don't.

then where did Brock brother & Sister appeared behind Misty.
Also , From "A Family that stay together battle together "

Spoiler:

Rewatch the episode before you try to say anything else.

Actually, don't even read my responses regarding Misty, just read DBZFan's before it, since he can communicate it and has more expertise in that area than I ever will.

I don't care what DBZ Fan says ! I don't even read his post.
My beef is with you , not with him .
I have no interest arguing with 2 people at once.

But I agree, we should halt. The long and the short is, Ash really should age, especially when it would actually be more integral to his development and actually HAVE the viewer actually LIVE his journey.

Honestly , It would be much better to see 12 year old Ash , May and another boy with Blastoise take down Team Rocket permanently.
Since Ash has a Charizard and May has a Venusaur.

Anime Sucks · Dec 16, 2015

The show would still be the same, with the same lackluster episodes and plots, just with older characters. It really wouldn't matter to me if they aged.

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 16, 2015

I won't reply to your Misty-related posts about the gym or canon because DBZ Fan already took care of most of your arguments anyways (besides, the site logged me out before I could even reply by the time I did try). I will take care of the rest, though.

Famon said:
Hello , You yourself said that Dawn went to Hoenn ! Do you expect her to complete in Unova Contest in middle of her Hoenn quest ?
After all , Only Ribbon from Wallace Cup can be use in all regional Grand-Fesvital.

That's actually one of the reasons why I felt Dawn's inclusion was just pointless.

Brock didn't change his goal right away ! The Anime start giving hint about it .
Specially in AG series when Prof Oak actually told Brock about him having talent in treating sick pokemon.
Then the entire DP series were more focus on his talent as a Doctor instate of a Breeder.
Same way , The Anime giving hint about Dawn's talent in Pokemon styling ! She even cancel her plan to visit Pallet town for a style event covering her Bunnary.

1. Pokémon Breeders have been established to care about a Pokémon's medical needs since the Original Series, so there's nothing new there.

2. You might have a point with DP, but hints mean absolutely nothing if there isn't explicit confirmation.

Yet we have no episode about May challenging any Gym ! She already decided on her goal before Ash reached his first gym.

Actually, she decided on becoming a Pokémon Coordinator the same time Ash challenged Roxanne.

Which mean , Writer dropped that idea long a ago! Off course , You haven't show any source to confirm this.
Unlike me who already gave you that source that confirm writers plan on revealing James as a woman and their plan to reveal it in "Beauty & The Beach"

Fine: Here's the source about it taking months in advance to write the episodes: http://www.pokebeach.com/2008/07/se...with-masamitsu-hidaka-many-interesting-points

And I know there was a leaked AG Poster on BMGf that was present around the time of Master Quest, I think it appeared during the Whirl Cup.

Iris has more chance of reappearing then Misty ! All former female traveling companion make a cameo visit in the next series.

Unless they have her reappearing around the same time Dawn reappeared, while I don't disagree that Iris has more of a chance of her appearing, that boat's already sailed (since Misty and May both appeared before the fourth gym).

Did Breeder contest involve battling where trainer with less point lose ? Actually , Breeder contest was barely shown since the episode was more focus on Brock getting another Broken heart because another hot guy come to take the girl away.
Seriously , This anime always favor the "Hot,Dazzling and shining Guys"!
As for showing off move , Showcase does the same thing .

Ask Bulbapedia: They made it pretty clear in the trivia section for the episode that it was VERY similar to Pokémon Contests.

Please tell me who won the Beauty contest and who got eliminated ?
Because , The Beauty pageant did nothing but showing off the participant !
They didn't need to win or lose the pageant , They simply had to show themselves.

Then why did Jessie and the MC, respectively, say "You mean this isn't just a beauty contest?" and "Oh no! The Queen of the Princess Festival Winner must also be a skilled Pokémon Trainer!"? They wouldn't have used "just" and "also" regarding those things if the pageant DIDN'T play any role in the contest beyond presenting the participants.

May be because the screenplay Writer though that its a good idea to show off Misty lure since the episode was about fishing .

Not really, since it dealt with Buizel. And besides, that still doesn't explain the bit about him focusing on his friends in one episode of BW even when it wasn't really necessary.

He's no longer the director ! Its the producer and current Director who will decide Ash's fate after he wins the league .

And based on what he said in the interview, the director after him is continuing that bit.

It took more then One year for Ash to get his last badge in DP Series ! The new calendar and the Movie state that Puni-chan will stay with the group till September .
Which mean , Z-ark probably gonna take One year.

Are you sure it's September? I'm pretty sure the movie's going to be released in late July, meaning at best, they've got until August. As far as DP, is that between his seventh and eighth badge? Besides, we've already got an image of Wulfric in the Anime, which means we are going to see him very soon. It's even on this site, this Anime forum, even, definitely it will take less time than DP either way.

The Anime exist to promote the game ! Whatever happen in game is more important then the Anime.

Didn't stop the Anime from completely skipping over the World Conference despite it playing a fairly major role in Black 2 and White 2, or their delaying in having Team Flare appearing in the main anime until right now. Heck, they had remakes of Gold and Silver in Generation II, yet did the Anime have Ash revisit Johto for instance? NO!, and it didn't even have Ash challenging the Battle Frontier in Platinum either (not to mention DP outright ignored story developments made by Platinum, even AFTER Platinum was released, as Cyrus STILL went for the Dia and Pal without Gira even playing a role in the event). There have been PLENTY of instances where the Anime outright ignores the games, so don't think that just because there will be a third version, that means the anime will do the third version. And Pokémon Emerald's plot line was largely ignored in AG, with it even finishing up in a similar vein to Pokémon Sapphire.

Which clearly proves that they are planning to release "Pokemon Z" so they are using anime to promote Zygarde's form to hype Buyer about the next game.

Even still, that DOESN'T mean the anime's going to continue on with it.

Its all your own opinion ! Even BW Movies earned more money then AG movies.
Anime with even horrible rating are still surviving !
Animes like Battle Spirit , Precure , Jewel pet etc etc .

Actually, according to Dogasu, the recent Hoopa movie made even LESS than Pokémon Heroes, which until now had the lowest box office receipt of ALL the Pokémon movies, yes, that even includes the AG movies:

Box Office Performance
So here's where this update gets depressing.

The final, final numbers haven't been released yet but Japanese fansite PokePale seems pretty sure that Pokémon the movie XY "The Archdjinn of the Rings, Hoopa" & "Pikachu and the Pokemon Band" ended up making 24,040,078,200 yen over its ten week run. Up until this point the lowest grossing movie in the franchise's history was Latias and Latios, The Guardian Deities of the Water Capital, which ended its run with 49-day run with 26,070,000,000 yen back in 2002 (which translates to about 26,974,258,242.55 in today's yen). The Hoopa movie didn't even top that.

In other words, Pokémon the movie XY "The Archdjinn of the Rings, Hoopa" & "Pikachu and the Pokemon Band" is (pretty much officially) the worst-performing Pocket Monsters movie in the franchise's history.

Also, when discussing the development of the Hoopa movie a while back, back before it was released, Dogasu revealed that Sonoda, the guy who did all the Pokémon Movies since Pokémon 4Ever, was replaced for the film, and even implied that it had to do with the Diancie movie being a flop:

Pokémon the movie XY 2015
January 3rd, 2015

Dogasu @ 15:55 JST -- Something I neglected to cover last month was news about this year's movie.

Right now the movie is only known as "Pokémon the movie XY 2015" and doesn't have any other subtitle or anything else to go by. The Pikachu short doesn't have a title either. The teaser trailer posted on the movie's official website makes it obvious that Hoopa's going to be in it though don't expect it to be officially revealed until mid-February.

What has been announced (or leaked, rather) is a staff list for the movie. Among the usual credits is something rather shocking: Tomioka Atsuhiro (left) will be writing the script for the movie instead of Sonoda Hideki (right).

Tomioka Atsuhiro Sonoda Hideki

This is important to note because Mr. Sonoda has been the sole person responsible for writing the movies since 2001's Celebi Encounter Through Time. So why change now? My guess is because last year's The Cocoon of Destruction and Diancie didn't do that well at the box office, when all is said and done, and this change in staff is an attempt to shake things up a bit and breathe some new life into the movie franchise. Of course Mr. Yuyama is still directing so there's only so much that Mr. Tomioka will be able to do but we'll hopefully be able to see some signs of his involvement in the movie.

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/old_news_archive/january_2015.html

Also, it didn't even make top 10 by the end of its eighth-week showing, and in fact descended to tenth place by the very last week, making eighth place three weeks beforehand.

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/old_news_archive/september_2014.html

http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/movie...ie/cocoon_destruction_diancie.html#Box_Office

Why do you think they announced Zygarde's forms ? It to hype people about the next game.

Yes, but that DOESN'T mean that the Anime will do it. In fact, it's quite a bit late for them to be focusing on it.

Generation V had a squeal ! There is chance that Generation VI might get a squeal as well .

They'll only pull a B2W2-style sequel if they have three versions of the sequel at the very least to make up for Zygarde's five forms. More likely than not, since it has remakes, it's going to be a third version. And again, there being a third version for the games is no guarantee that the games will do the same.

Honestly , It would be much better to see 12 year old Ash , May and another boy with Blastoise take down Team Rocket permanently.
Since Ash has a Charizard and May has a Venusaur.

I'd personally bank with Ash, Misty, and Brock there. But I do think there needs to be some aging to show he is indeed learning things, make things a bit more probable.

weedle_mchairybug · Dec 16, 2015

Serena08 said:
I think the reason why he stays the same age is because it makes him more relate-able to the target fanbase imo.

If that's the case, that clearly didn't work since the ratings are an absolute mess right now, and have been since AG.

Should Ash Ketchum & other characters in the Anime, grow older?

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