Weather Team - Hailv1.0.1

"If Gyrados gets in a Dragon Dance, it 6-0's you"

"You are Mixape weak"


Please, just add Vaporeon or Starmie >> Lapras.


Also ALL YOUR POKEMON DO NOT HAVE TO BE IMMUNE TO SAID WEATHER YOUR TEAM IS BASED AROUND.


Add some versatility, 3 immune is probably the most you need.


Swords Dance Gallade and Lucario, Heracross, Tyranitar even Metagross etc just laugh at this in all honesty. So do the plethora of Sp.Swepers.


Imo, replace Frosslass for a SOLID sp.wall and replace weavile or Mamoswine for a physical wall, such as Gliscor IMO, who also helps with your fighting resists and t-tar.

~Celebi~ said:

Well. Weather teams are becoming fairly popular, especially on Shoddy. Sand Vail/Sandstorm Teams are the most common types of weather teams but I was thinking of something good but different. I thought Rain Dance, but that's too easy to own. Sunny Day is quite useless as it doesn't really do anything other than boost up Fire (which is useless) and make Solarbeam 1-turn and give Fire Blast 100% accuracy. As I said, Fire moves aren't the flashiest things in the game so I decided to make a Hail Team. Here goes my first ever attempt at a Weather Team.

1. Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Timid (6Attack/252SpecialAttack/252Speed)
Substitute
Grass Knot
Blizzard
Focus Punch

I would much rather you ran Grass Knot over Leech Seed. You would be surprised the number of people switch in Swampert, for some very strange reason indeed. O.O


2. Weavile @ Expert Belt
Jolly (40HP/252Attack/216Speed)
Pursuit
Ice Shard
Brick Break
Night Slash


Kill it. This is one of the most common mistakes when making teams like this, people think they must use pokemon that resist hail. That is all wrong. Here, all you're doing is increasing your weakness to fighting. It may seem odd, but add Garchomp here.

Spoiler:

Garchomp@Life Orb/Choice Band
Adamant/Jolly
252 Atk, 240 Spd, 16 HP

Dragon Claw / Outrage
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Fire Blast

With the number of Ice types, it is far easier to switch this out against opposing Ice typed attacks, so really using it here makes it more effective than normal, as you're able to switch this in and out easier.


3. Lapras @ Life Orb
Modest (164HP/92Defense/252SpecialAttack)
Ice Beam
T-Bolt
Toxic
Hydro Pump/Surf


Again, I don't really like it. This doesn't do much for you, and you're only trying to add another Ice type to the fold. Special Attacking in Hail teams should be left to the likes of Glaceon, Heatran, Froslass and Porygon-Z, to name a few.

4. Walrein @ Leftovers
Bold (252HP/252Defense/6Sp. Def)
Ice Body
Protect
Substitute
Earthquake / Toxic
Blizzard

Ok, we're switching this up to make a Stallrein. Stallrein are usually staples in Hail teams, and for good reason. You had the similar set, but we just need to tweak a bit. Toxic is great when you've got a pokemon like this that can restore health fast, combining with Protect, it's very potent. Ice Body is a must here.

5. Froslass @ Choice Specs
Timid (6HP/252SpecialAttack/252Speed)
Ice Beam
T-Bolt
Shadow Ball
Hidden Power FIGHTING

Fine, but HP FIGHT over Psychic please.

6. Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Adamant (64HP/252Attack/192Speed)
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Ice Shard
Ice Fang

Blizzard is a no go. Choice Banding yourself and having the surprise factor of Blizzard may seem nice, but you'll be switch fodder once your opponent wises up. Ice Fang is the better way to go.

Please Rate and Fix. I'll be honest. I got most of these sets (about 3 of 'em) off Smogon and the rest I thought of myself. Please help.

~Celebi~

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'You are 6-0'd by Gyarados after 1DD' -> 'You are Mixape Weak' :P

But seriously, Azelf summed it up. Your team is too focused on being immune to Hail, which isn't always needed. The reason Sandstorm teams usually have immunities is because the pokemon that benefit the most are those, where as Hail is a completely different ball-game. You have no dedicated walls. Walrein cannot take a CB Close Combat from Heracross, and nothing you have comes close to a Special Wall. Looking at your team, remove Lapras for a dedicated Special Wall (i.e. Blissey, Snorlax, Regice) and replace either Garchomp or Mamoswine with a Physical Wall/Tank. (Gliscor would be most effective at the job, covering your Fighting issues.)

~T_S

Ok a little advice on weather teams. Just have about 3 or 4 pokemon that are immune to the weather you choice. Like everyone has been saying, this team would be a walk in the park for Mixape and tyranitar would have fun screwing over your weather condition along with hippodone.

Keep working on it. Sunny day is actualy very hard to pull off. Try making a sunny-rain team ..one of the hardest teams to make. but confuses your foe and they really cant predict what you are going to do next

I love Hail teams, and I always try to make them as versatile as possible. But this is a BIG no no...

For Abomasnow, why are you making it fast? Make it slow so it can underspeed Tyranitar leads and get the Hail up.

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Sassy Nature
252 HP, 20 SpA, 160 SpD, 76 Def
Blizzard
Leech Seed
Wood Hammer
Grasswhistle/Protect

Most would swear by Protect, but I use Grasswhistle, and it actually can make a difference (just ask Dancing Salamence 1.1 :D) Sassy lets you always get the hail before Tyranitar leads, who usually invest in speed. Hippowdon is a different story though.


I never use Weavile, it doesn't gain much since it's movepool isn't really ice type centered. Scrap it for a Wall that resists fighting, such as Weezing.

Weezing @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 SpD
Sludge Bomb/Thunderbolt
Flamethrower/Haze
Will O Wisp
Pain Split/Rest

Sludge Bomb is nice for STAB, but Thunderbolt murders Gyarados'. Flamethrower is great for taking on ice abusers and Heracross, which Hail teams despise. Will O Wisp is staple, while Pain Split and Rest are personal preference.

I would use Snorlax over Lapras since it can counter Heatran nicely, but if you don't want to, you don't have to. Another choice is to use Heatran over Lapras.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Modest Nature
252 SpA, 236 Spe, 20 HP
Fire Blast/Overheat/Flamethrower/Lava Plume
HP Ice
Earth Power
Explosion

The first slot is all up to you: Do you want immense power (Overheat) at the cost of lowering your SpA two stages? Or do you want great power (Fire Blast) at the cost of low accuracy. Perhaps you prefer very reasonable power (Flamethrower) at the cost of some power loss. Maybe getting a burn (Lava Plume) at the cost of much needed power is your choice.


That Walrein set makes me cry :(

Walrein @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP, 252 Def, 6 SpD
Protect/Earthquake
Substitute
Toxic
Blizzard/Surf

I use Protect/Sub/Toxic/Blizzard on mine since Protect lets Poison eat off weak enemies so it does not lose it's sub.

If you dislike Stallrein (are you MAD?) use Tentacruel to cover up your Mixape weakness.

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
204 HP, 96 SpA, 172 SpD, 36 Spe
Surf
Blizzard/Ice Beam/Sludge Bomb/HP Electric
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin

Counters Mixape nicely, and since this set has Toxic Spikes, you don't need a Toxic Stalling Stallrein, though you could always replace something else and give Stallrein EQ for coverage.

The problem is, Abomasnow can do nothing if it is slower than Tyranitar, and can usually be OHKO'd by a Stone Edge from any varients, that is why we make it faster. Once you dispose of Tyranitar, then you switch Abomasnow back in. I run the faster set and overall I believe it to be the better option in OU.

~T_S

Tortured_Soul said:

The problem is, Abomasnow can do nothing if it is slower than Tyranitar, and can usually be OHKO'd by a Stone Edge from any varients, that is why we make it faster. Once you dispose of Tyranitar, then you switch Abomasnow back in. I run the faster set and overall I believe it to be the better option in OU.

~T_S

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The point of Abomasnow is to get hail up. If it can underspeed it, you can switch into a Tyranitar counter that resists rock, such as Heatran, which'll Earth Power Tyranitar.

Tyranitar also runs Earthquake, and many varients are Dragon Dancers, so they can predict a switch and DD up, setting up for a sweep.

~T_S

That takes quite a bit of prediction. And still, Choice Scarf Heatran outspeeds Tar after a DD I believe. Most would assume Abomasnow would stay in, and not many expect Heatran

CScarf Heatran is overrated, and I don't believe it would have enough power to OHKO Tyranitar anyway.

EDIT:

63.93% - 75.07%

So, any which way you go, Tyranitar is destroying Heatran. (That isn't including the Sand Stream boost it may have)

~T_S

Disregarding SS SpD boost, it does only that much? Wow...I never knew that.

I guess speedy (lol) Abomasnow would do.

You would be surprised how many teams I have swept with...Abomasnow. (After you get a Sub up, Focus Punch+Grass Knot+Blizzard = pwn)

~T_S

Is there anything I could use other than Heatran? I don't really like using him and besides, I get owned whenever I use him. Should I perhaps use Rapid Spinning Starmie instead? This is what the team looks like now:

Abomasnow @ Leftovers
Timid (6Atk/252SpAtk/252Spd)
Substitute
Grass Knot
Blizzard
Focus Punch

Garchomp@Life Orb
Adamant <252Atk/240Spd/16HP>
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Fire Blast
I prefer Life Orb >> Choice Items any day. What about Jolly nature Chomp with CS? Also, why Fire Blast?

Tentacruel @ Leftovers
Calm Nature <204HP/96SpAtk/172SpDef/36 Spd>
Surf
Blizzard
Toxic Spikes
Rapid Spin
Should I use this guy over Starmie? For a Rapid Spinning Starmie I was thinging this:
Starmie@Leftovers
Timid <160HP/132SpAtk/216Spd>
T-Bolt
Recover
Rapid Spin
Surf

Snorlax @ Leftovers:Immunity
Careful/Calm <244HP/28Def/236SpDef>
Sleep Talk
Rest
Body Slam
Crunch

Gliscor @ Leftovers
Impish <252HP/6Atk/252Def>
Earthquake
Aerial Ace/Ice Fang
Stealth Rock/Taunt/Stone Edge
Roost

Walrein @ Leftovers:Ice Body
Bold <252HP/252Defense/6Sp. Def>
Protect/EQ
Substitute
Toxic
Blizzard

How's this? I think it looks better. Thanks for the Pokemon help. Now I'd really like some help with the movesets.

Fire Blast on LO Chomp would do significant damage to both Bronzong and Skarmory on the switchin and almost every other steel trying to block Outrage. In my opinion Yache Berry is clearly superior over Life Orb unless you have significantly weakened its counters. CB/CS Chomp is very different from SDChomp.

Thanks. That clears it up a bit. It makes sense to use FB. Ok, what about my Rapid Spinner. Should I do Tentacruel > Starmie or Tentacruel < Starmie?

Sorry for the bump guys, but there's been an update on the team list and instead of creating a new team, I decided to renew this thread to save people the trouble and moderators the bother.

Starmie and Tentacruel are both MixApe counters. Although I personally like Tentacruel more because it can Rapid Spin while setting up entry hazards of its own, and 120 SpD is nothing to complain about. It also has higher HP than Starmie. :D

To be honest, I'm lacking the idea that Starmie counters MixApe. It still takes a boatload from Grass Knot, and potentially dies, whereas Tentacruel is neutral to it, and not even a Nasty Plotted Grass Knot OHKOs, and OHKOs back with STAB Surf. Starmie is quicker, sure, and does resist both STAB attacks, and forces out Infernape, recovering in the process if it must, but still, Starmie doesn't 100% fulfill the definition of a counter. Therefore, Tenta is preferred.

The team looks much better, but I'll let an advanced rater like Aquilae, Dark_Azelf, Anti, Syaoran, and many others rate your team.